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Ykai
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Oct 21, 2009 - 12:31 AM |
 
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Same thing generally applies for schools; if you fail to attend a certain percentage of classes, you'll be thrown out and that will put your visa up for discussion. |
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tomahawks
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Oct 21, 2009 - 10:21 AM |
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| Your residence permit will be withdrawn if you stop working the job that got you got it for. |
Wrong, again.
An employer can only withdraw the residence permit if they contact the immigration bureau, which is a pointless hassle and hardly ever happens. |
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p1atl10
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Oct 21, 2009 - 08:12 PM |
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How about the compromise of reality?
Your residence permit could be withdrawn if you stop working the job that got you got it for. |
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Misteral
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Oct 21, 2009 - 08:59 PM |
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OP wrote:
Visa fees:
For Irish citizen: 30.00 Euro for single entry,
45.00 Euro for double entries,
60.00 Euro for multi-entries
90.00 Euro for one-year multiple entries
I mean why bother paying the 90 Euro?
It depends on the purpose of your visit and the type of visa you need for that purpose. Either an L, X, F or Z visa
a Z visa which is issued to those who have been given permission to enter China and work for a specific employer in a specific position is only ever a single entry visa. Once you enter the PRC you have 30 days to go through the procedures to obtain a Residency Permit, which is multi-entry during its validity. The Z visa expires after 30 days whether you obtain the RP or not. |
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Ykai
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Oct 22, 2009 - 01:10 AM |
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| Your residence permit will be withdrawn if you stop working the job that got you got it for. |
Wrong, again.
An employer can only withdraw the residence permit if they contact the immigration bureau, which is a pointless hassle and hardly ever happens. |
I am wrong because 'it is a pointless hassle and hardly ever happens'? Just like how I'm wrong when I say it's illegal to jaywalk because you hardly ever get fined for it?
Employers are required to inform the immigration bureau if you stop working there. The fact that many don't (did you do a poll or what?) does not mean that it isn't going to happen. The rules are thus, and whatever happens outside the rules is a risk you take but I wouldn't rely on it. |
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Kiwi
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Oct 22, 2009 - 05:34 AM |
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| I sometimes wonder how expats feel entitled to stay in China when back home everyone is screaming to get rid of the illegal aliens... |
I've always thought that, especially recently when there are lots of young people coming here in search of a better life away from the economic mess in their home countries. They're basically economic migrants. Some also marry locals and settle here. They take their jobs, their women, get the best houses, better treatment etc. Arguably one could say that Chinese are treated as second class citizens to the foreigners, in their own country. |
WTF?
The young people you are referring to are surely teachers, and how many teachers are earning significant sums?
How many foreigners are 'taking jobs' from Chinese. Hasn't the movement of jobs been in the opposite direction?
Foreigners 'get the best houses'?!? WTF? Anybody rents what they can afford, and there is no way that an 'economic migrant' relocated to Shanghai will be renting the most expensive place in town. Then if you are talking about ownership, I thought the purchase of property in China by non-Chinese was heavily restricted? |
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tomahawks
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Oct 22, 2009 - 09:16 AM |
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| Your residence permit will be withdrawn if you stop working the job that got you got it for. |
Wrong, again.
An employer can only withdraw the residence permit if they contact the immigration bureau, which is a pointless hassle and hardly ever happens. |
I am wrong because 'it is a pointless hassle and hardly ever happens'? Just like how I'm wrong when I say it's illegal to jaywalk because you hardly ever get fined for it?
Employers are required to inform the immigration bureau if you stop working there. The fact that many don't (did you do a poll or what?) does not mean that it isn't going to happen. The rules are thus, and whatever happens outside the rules is a risk you take but I wouldn't rely on it. |
I think officially they are just supposed to cancel your Foreign Experts' Cert. The Residence Permit stays in your passport.
Either way, telling someone their visa will be cancelled is scaremongering and pettifoggery and a bit unfair on newbies because it's not the reality of the scenario. |
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jasonnoguchi
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Oct 22, 2009 - 09:35 AM |
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SpaceCat
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Oct 22, 2009 - 08:02 PM |
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| Best bet is still to build a strong residual income stream from back home and then China becomes one big playground. |
You mentioned this before. I have said income stream. So how to I prevent the authorities from booting me out if I need to be studying or working for the residence permit? I'm happy to learn Chinese or teach English for a couple of months but after that its not something I want to have occupying my time. I'm reading alot of other topics to figure out what's best to do, but if anything the more I learn the less I know... |
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jasonnoguchi
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Oct 22, 2009 - 08:44 PM |
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| Best bet is still to build a strong residual income stream from back home and then China becomes one big playground. |
You mentioned this before. I have said income stream. So how to I prevent the authorities from booting me out if I need to be studying or working for the residence permit? I'm happy to learn Chinese or teach English for a couple of months but after that its not something I want to have occupying my time. I'm reading alot of other topics to figure out what's best to do, but if anything the more I learn the less I know... |
Hehehe... you don'thave to be studying nor working to stay here.  I don't work nor study but I have been here 5 years legally. There are ways to do it. But it does cost money. The latest rate is about 8k RMB for a year visa I think. |
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SpaceCat
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Oct 22, 2009 - 08:52 PM |
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No no, you can't stop there, whats involved and how much? Is it something to do with paying an agency to "invite" you to China? |
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SpaceCat
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Oct 22, 2009 - 10:00 PM |
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Wait a sec, I got all excited and didn't read the 8k RMB part. Done. This is the solution. Can you point me in the right direction?
This is great, thanks to you and all others for the help. |
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paulinshanghai
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Oct 22, 2009 - 11:07 PM |
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Spacecat^
You want to live here for a while, and your only concern then is a visa (seems you dont care much about working).
visainchina.com can get you a one year business visa. In your situation its not important what visa you have, it just enables you to stay here. Expensive? Sure, but we used them and seem ok.
Then you live here, do your web development job and maybe earn extra money here doing other work. |
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SpaceCat
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Oct 23, 2009 - 05:55 PM |
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Alright I checked out visainchina and sent them a mail concerning their "special services" as they call it. We'll see what they come up with. Cheers paul. |
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Ykai
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Oct 23, 2009 - 10:06 PM |
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By the way, why not just consider leaving the country every few months (90 day visas are easily obtained, extendable twice from inside China for another 60 days total) and coming back on your new visa? If your income stream is as reliable as you say it is, I'm sure the occasional trip to Hong Kong, Japan, Phillipines, or South Korea could serve the dual purpose of getting you a visa as well as enjoying some time abroad.
It's a bit of a hassle but to be honest, after every three months I spend in China a short stay elsewhere to refuel is more than welcome. |
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Larry252
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Oct 23, 2009 - 11:41 PM |
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| get arrested but not for something that yields the death penalty or deportation |
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DrZero
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Oct 24, 2009 - 12:50 AM |
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So, what is the deal with paying 8k RMB and getting a one-year visa? How does it work? Do you set up your own company or rep office in China? |
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2shanghai
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Oct 24, 2009 - 09:27 AM |
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| The cheapest ones in Shanghai go for around 8k per semester. |
East China Normal University is just under 10k RMB (with fees, insurance and the like) for 4 mts. I don't find it a bad price. |
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SpaceCat
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Nov 04, 2009 - 04:03 AM |
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visainchina said I need to get an F visa before I can extend it for the year through them, and that agencies in Hongkong can get me that. So I must find these agencies. I'm gonna go for a half year teaching contract first anyway, cause I don't know anyone in China so It'll help me get my bearings. Now for the hassle of getting a teaching job. |
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paulinshanghai
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Nov 04, 2009 - 07:56 AM |
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^A trip to HK for a night/2 days is enough.
May as well just come over and teach. Get a Tefl (I know some company that does them ) and you can find even a short term job before you decide a better teaching job. |
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