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JAZ
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Location: Christchurch , New Zealand or Shanghai, China.
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Aug 29, 2009 - 05:43 PM |
 
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Re salary:
I worked at SUIS/Xie He and was paid 29,500RMB per month after tax all inclusive.
I declined a position at WISS for 32,000RMB per month all in.
So 30K a month seems about right for a teacher.
My friends at other schools made the same. |
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Crazie
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Okay, I'm currently a student at SAS, and I think that it is totally the best international school in Shanghai, no competition. Someone said that the upperclassmen are "wild"? Untrue. At SAS, the students are MUCH more civilized than the students at public schools in the USA. Speaking facilities? No school can compete with SAS. This year, (09-10) ALL the students in 7-10th grade got Apple Macbooks with all the best software downloaded in it. Also, our school has 6 soccer fields, 1 baseball diamond, 1 softball diamond, 1 track, 3 auditoriums, 3 gyms, etc. Our teachers are all hired directly from the USA, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, or Europe, except for our Chinese teachers, who are mostly Shanghainese with basic or more English skills. We take the ITBS (IOWA) test and the ERB Writing test every year. In high school, you can choose AP (Advanced Placement) or IB (International Baccalaureate) courses to take. Our cafeteria has a wide selection of food, ranging from vegetarian food and sandwich bar to our salad bar and cafe. We just finished our CISSA (China International School Sports Association) touch rugby season, and we had the most teams out of all the schools in Shanghai. Every year the elementary school has a soccer day for 3-5th grade, and international schools from Shanghai, SuZhou, etc. come to compete the whole day. As for transportation, we have 52 school buses providing door-to-door service, or you can be picked up by your personal driver. As for the students, yeah, I agree, we can be spoiled and snobby at times, but we are all good people underneath, and we can all pull together if we had to defend our school's honor. In conclusion, SAS is by far the best international school in Shanghai, and also one of the best in China. |
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Klick
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Joined: Jan 04, 2009
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Oct 18, 2009 - 10:09 PM |
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Great that you are so pleased with your school. Now go to bed, it is after 10 on a school night. |
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pingu77
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Oct 18, 2009 - 10:16 PM |
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| Crazie wrote: |
| Speaking facilities? No school can compete with SAS. This year, (09-10) ALL the students in 7-10th grade got Apple Macbooks with all the best software downloaded in it. . |
And your English teacher needs to be fired if this is what they are teaching you... |
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Green_eyes
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Oct 29, 2009 - 07:25 AM |
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Hi guys,
My son is 11 and with possible relocation I have a few questions for those who have kids and knowledge about schools in Shanghai:
- What are the school options for American 11 year old? Doesn't speak any Mandarin but would like to learn.
- What school does your child go to?
- Are there classes for Mandarin in schools where studies are in English?
- How long it took your child to adjust and learn Mandarin?
- Any tips re expat children are welcomed!
Many thanks! |
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tnmom
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Oct 29, 2009 - 08:09 AM |
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It all depends on how much you are willing to pay and if your company covers the cost. Also depends on whether your child has any learning disabilities.
The best tip is to live in a place where there are lots of other kids from your kid's school - easiest way to adjust is to have friends nearby to play with.
Almost all schools have Mandarin instruction - the intensity varies from school to school and also depends on your child's willingness to learn - I have known kids that get extra tutoring and skip ahead levels and also kids that are in the same level year after year.
My kids went to SAS Puxi and had an excellent experience - all 3 are continuing their Mandarin in the US - in college and highschool here. In my opinion SAS is by far the best school in Shanghai - academics, facilities, teachers, extra-curiculars, college prep, etc. I felt that it cost a TON of money for my husband's company but it was an excellent education - almost top private school level in the US. I don't think I would feel the same about some of the other Shanghai schools that cost the same amount...
Edited to qualify - SAS is by far the best school for kids who will go to college in the US who can handle a strong academic program. |
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Green_eyes
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Oct 29, 2009 - 11:21 PM |
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Thank you for your reply, its really helpful. I am not sure yet if employer will pay for tuition fees and if not - what are other options? At the moment our child goes to a good PUBLIC school in NYC and we never considered private schools here for many reasons.
Are there any other options for american kids? Less expensive?
How long your kids were in China and how's their Mandarin? |
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Chinapeach
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Nov 02, 2009 - 01:36 PM |
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Re: Rainbow bridge
My daughter attended this school last year
It's good school. I don't have anything to compare it to. We pay out of our pockets for school so we can't afford alot that were mentioned.
I found it especially good for 2yrs to 5 or 6. I was actually fairly impressed with there programs for that age and the teachers. The older kids seem to be stuck in a baby school a little bit.
My other issue was that they observe all chinese and american holidays. I don't know if all schools are like this.. But there was soo much holiday it's about a week of no school every month.. at the price of schooling it's rediculous!.. it's 24 weeks of school in total i think its 60 000RMB per 12 weeks.. ( if you take out the holidays)
I did like that they were in the zoo though, it was nice to be able to walk around there free of charge. I did enjoy their library and their scholastics program. They have a very neat science room too.. but definately geared towards younger children. |
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Motherof2boys
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Nov 02, 2009 - 09:05 PM |
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My son will finish up 10th grade before we make our move and we are just beginning our search for a school. I hope I can find the spreadsheet that has been mentioned previously on this thread.
Am I right in assuming that admission to SAS is not only based on a wait list, but a childs academic standing? My husband will be working on Nanjing Rd. I'd imagine that the Pudong campus is far from that location?
My son is also a good soccer player. Are there any schools that I should look closer at in regards to a sports program?
Hopefully we'll find our way, and at least be able to enter some proper applications. When is the best time to put paperwork in for the high schools? |
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tnmom
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Nov 02, 2009 - 09:39 PM |
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The good news is that all the international schools have soccer teams - it's a spring sport and there are lots of Shanghai matches and regional competitions. One of last year's SAS Puxi grads now plays soccer at Cornell.
There usually is a wait list for SAS but it should be fairly easy to get a spot for grade 11 if you are an American passport holder and get your application in early. The admission process has changed a bit since we went through it but I belive that the main concerns from an academic standpoint are English competancy and whether there are learning disablilities (there is limited suppot for only certain problems). They are not at the point where kids are chosen based on grades and scores. It is academically challenging but there are options for kids who want more of a regular course load. The earlier you apply the higher you are on the list. Will you have a house/school hunting trip? |
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Motherof2boys
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Nov 02, 2009 - 10:01 PM |
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My husband will start work there Feb/March. I am assuming I'll be able to visit before having to put in school applications. I have no idea right now what other schools we should be applying to. Are there any that are similar to SAS that I should examine? The Puxi location of SAS would be better for us I believe. |
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helloasia2
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Nov 03, 2009 - 12:49 PM |
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^ I've heard that SAS is the best although I have friends whose kids go to SCIS and enjoy it there. (The campus in Puxi is in Hong Qiao, closer to downtown than SAS.) In Pudong, there is also Concordia. |
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KatherineB
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Nov 03, 2009 - 03:01 PM |
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Hi,
I am looking for a school for my two children in Shanghai (i am moving here soon)
My friends who are in other countries have say that British Schools is great for the children. Being European the american Schools are not a choice. Can anybody suggest other schools for me to see? |
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KatherineB
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Nov 03, 2009 - 03:08 PM |
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oops, should of read the other posts.
will see BISS
sorry! |
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globalnomad
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Nov 03, 2009 - 03:37 PM |
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...and you should see Dulwich. We are American but chose to go to a british school after having visited the American schools. I would not discount the American schools only because you are European. Pay them all a visit and make a decision after you have all the data. |
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MIexpat
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Nov 03, 2009 - 07:41 PM |
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Yew Chung (YCIS) also offers a National Curriculum based program |
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mmhm
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Nov 03, 2009 - 10:09 PM |
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Our daughter graduated from SAS with a full IB diploma, so yes, its fine for the Euro crowd. |
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trousers
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Nov 03, 2009 - 10:22 PM |
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Delpy wrote: No we are not racist.Racist never happen in China, Racist only happen in you civilize countries. 11.08.09
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weiku
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Nov 04, 2009 - 09:21 AM |
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BEWARE FORUM VISITORS
Some schools have their presence on these forums bragging about how good their school is and bashing others. A very dishonest policy and practice I have see in place in almost all International Schools.
Take whatever you read here with a pinch of salt. and never ever ever believe in the strength of the school of how they market, meet and greet and the good stories they tell you. What is important for you is the education your child is going to get. Speak to other parents and stop and chat to current students during your visit. make sure no admissions or other staff is with you when you do this. Staff that greets you is trained to show you only the nice parts of school and not to let you indulge in a serious genuine discussion with any staff and student.
just wanted to share what i know from first hand experience.
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MIexpat
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Nov 04, 2009 - 10:53 AM |
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| Yew Chung (YCIS) also offers a National Curriculum based program |
In the NC, English, Mathematics and Science are the 'core' subjects. YCIS's programme does not have Science timetabled - they mix it in with the Humanities and call it 'Topic'. The number of British trained teachers at this school is low, as is their knowledge of the NC. Standard English (a NC requirement) is largely ignored, and many texts and assessments are not British, you can tell from the spellings and grammar.
They are good at PR though. |
YCIS does not claim to offer a pure UK curriculum. While its primary program incorporates Western and Asian influences, the National Curriculum factors heavily in its secondary program. It isn't PR. |
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trousers
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StMichael
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Nov 04, 2009 - 06:27 PM |
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| Speak to other parents and stop and chat to current students during your visit. make sure no admissions or other staff is with you when you do this. |
I am an administrator at an international school here, and I want to say that you have hit the nail on the head with this one. In order to properly assess the school, you really need to talk to other parents, staff and students.
Having no other staff with you may be difficult, however. Most schools, in order to protect our pupils, have a policy that all visitors must be escorted. |
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Syria1
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Nov 04, 2009 - 08:08 PM |
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| trousers wrote: |
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| Yew Chung (YCIS) also offers a National Curriculum based program |
In the NC, English, Mathematics and Science are the 'core' subjects. YCIS's programme does not have Science timetabled - they mix it in with the Humanities and call it 'Topic'. The number of British trained teachers at this school is low, as is their knowledge of the NC. Standard English (a NC requirement) is largely ignored, and many texts and assessments are not British, you can tell from the spellings and grammar.
They are good at PR though. |
YCIS does not claim to offer a pure UK curriculum. While its primary program incorporates Western and Asian influences, the National Curriculum factors heavily in its secondary program. It isn't PR. |
Indeed. From direct experience of YCIS in Puxi in Secondary, Years 7 to 9 have four hours a week Science, Years 10 and 11 have 7 hours a week (IGCSE) and IB students in Year 12 and 13 have 4 hours (Standard Level) or 5 hours (Higher Level) |
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MIexpat
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Nov 04, 2009 - 08:50 PM |
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Nice edit
Actually, trousers what you wrote that YCIS cannot call itself National Curriculum based because in primary science is covered as a topic rather than timetabled separately is not entirely accurate. It is perfectly acceptable as set out by the National Curriculum for schools to cover these subjects under different names, and [the school] may teach more than one subject together under the same name. This is left up to individual schools, as long as they are covering the National Curriculum.
Perhaps your understanding of the National Curriculum needs review before you assert so confidently a school is or is not following the National Curriculum. But in truth it does not matter this discussion well illustrates the point that school choice is inherently personal and thusly requires and deserves individual judgment on how effectively a school meets the needs of the family.
Another small point so what YCIS is well advertised? It certainly does not make my initial statement PR and it certainly does not equate poor delivery of program. And again this does not really matter for those reading in hopes of choosing the right school for your child(ren) - NOTHING substitutes for PERSONAL assessment visit schools of interest and evaluate them based on a list of criteria important for YOUR family.
Good luck! |
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StMichael
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Nov 04, 2009 - 08:54 PM |
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In fact, I find it quite rude to just edit out everything just like this. It makes one think that the poster has something to hide, or simply wants to cover his tracks after being "discovered".
I have been in many forums. A good edit would be one where a line (perhaps in italics) clarifying that the argument has certain erroneous points is considered courteous to all those who have based their ideas/arguments off of the original text.
Oh well... |
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