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CAMIVILL

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Posted: Dec 12, 2007 - 08:06 PM

The Medical personal its having a big failure not only here but around the world... there's a basic idea.. the doctor must have a diagnosis with interogation and physical examination, HEAR THAT???!?! the exams are used to CONFIRM the first impression not to make diagnosis.... IF ur doctor doesnt touch u ... simply dont trust him....
chinese medicine its the same... they (we) have to look!!!
Now chinese culture have a problem... u cant touch people, not family or friends... so when this medical students go to the hospital to learn... they cant do it... they cant practice.. so the result its a person who listen to a story and prescribes...
I have many stories to tell, even mine with apendicitis... ufff
When u go to the physician if u cant speak chinese, bring someone to do the translation , dont ask many questions, but push them to do what you need if you know.... exams, medication, so on...
If you have the chance to pay to get a foreign doctor, then ask all the questions, and just enjoy the ride...
If you go to the foreign-expensive hospitals that charge a lot but its a chinese doctor, well u can ask all the questions u want but make sure the chinese its qualified and that he or she examines you.. as i told u before its a good sign, the ones that seldom look at you... just run!!!!

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Posted: Mar 02, 2008 - 07:50 PM

There is this new GP family medical centre, from Singapore, which has been operating for the last year in Gubei, Changning.

Think it's called the Healthway Family Medical Centre, not far from carrefour Gubei, at 388 Hong Bao Shi Road (红宝石路388号,一楼, 古北，长宁区), 1st floor, Gubei, Changning District. China branch of the established Healthway Medical Group in Singapore.

Good personal and caring service, nice environment and friendly doctors, Australian-trained, Singapore-trained english-speaking drs from Singapore or mandarin speaking GPs also available.

Price very reasonable, they even have this new attractive offer package called the "Healthway Member Card", which offers 10 consultations for a year for only 1500rmb, which is even transferrable between 4 persons. (essentially means that it is only 150rmb per consultation). They have a range of insurance cards which they accept too.

Another healthcare option available in Shanghai. Think their contact numbers are (51551858 ext 8117 / 13761812971 ), if anyone needs.

dannydxc
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Posted: Oct 16, 2008 - 01:58 PM

What is the difference between a private clinic (like GuoBin Hospital) and the others? My insurance will only cover "registered" hospitals...so does a place like GuoBin qualify? Thanks.

canuckian

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Posted: Oct 16, 2008 - 03:15 PM

^ Your insurance company should have a handout list of all the participating (registered) hospitals. If they don't, call your insurance office for verification.

dannydxc
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Posted: Oct 17, 2008 - 10:42 AM

My insurance is from HK so they just said go to a registered hospital. They dont have a list. Please help

martinear

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Posted: Oct 21, 2008 - 06:01 PM

Wow, a good share in this post. All I do when go to the hospital is wishing to come up with a doctor with enough pationce, I can easily get scared of them.

Sherali

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Posted: Nov 20, 2008 - 11:12 PM

did somebody ever had problem of hairloss? I am kinda pissed off, I've been in several hosppitals here in shanghai, and it seems useless.. the total time they need to have a diagnosis is just minute or some... you can feel that it's bullsh*t, cuz none of the medicine they told to use helps.... Does anybody know a good place to go with this kind of problem??

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Posted: Nov 20, 2008 - 11:21 PM

I just came back from the "6th peoples hospital" on yishanlu

If you live in Xujiahui & you value your time, I can only recommend this to you. Its a university (jiaotong) hospital, tripleA status (among the best in china), they are specialists for broken bones.

very efficient processing.
From the moment I went in to the moment I went out... 40 min
(including 1st time registration, finding my rooms&docs, X-ray, diagnosis, paying (70yuan alltogether guys,,.. seventy yuan).

great place.. and none of this bullfeces tests they do at the expat hospitals to make money off your ensurance and waste your time.

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Posted: Nov 21, 2008 - 10:59 AM

The 6th hospital has a good reputation. During the Sichuan earthquake recovery, several of the top doctors from there flew to the disaster area to help out. Although the English communication is limited (the signage is in English), you could still get around, using body language and possibly getting someone to go with you if you're nervous. It is a very busy hospital, but the prices are MUCH cheaper than the expat hospitals.

Zeliboba

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Posted: Feb 20, 2009 - 04:04 PM

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Make hair transplantation surgery. In Renai they do that.

Parkwaycommunity

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Posted: May 20, 2009 - 03:27 PM

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chrisaus

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Posted: July 05, 2009 - 07:19 AM

Parkwaycommunity wrote:

"Charge: 300RMB": I wonder how many people attended this guided tour. I can't believe they charge people a fee while the tour is purly for their own business purpose. It is just like charging people for watching their ads. It's ridiculous and unbelievably greedy.

My suggestion is that these hospitals should have open day regularly and provide free BBQ or hand out free whatever tickets in order to attract more customers / patients. They should thank people for visiting their hospitals rather than charging people money.

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chrisaus

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Posted: July 05, 2009 - 07:45 AM

"Make hair transplantation surgery. In Renai they do that."

There are many different type of hair loss, e.g., androgenetic alopecia, alopecia areata / alopecia totalis etc.

The long term outcome of hair transplant for androgenic alopecia is not as good as you expected. The new hair often disappears (just like the original hair). It's better off to try Minoxidil lotion or gel. But the problem is that you have to use it for at least 12 months and if you stop the medication, hair loss will recur. So it's a lifetime expensive treatment.

For alopecia areata, it may recover by itself. There are many different treatment options, including Minoxidil lotion, cortisone, or immunotherapy.

But any way, you need to see a doctor specialising in hair loss.

chrisaus

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Posted: July 05, 2009 - 09:45 AM

Camivill: "If you go to the foreign-expensive hospitals that charge a lot but its a chinese doctor, well u can ask all the questions u want but make sure the chinese its qualified and that he or she examines you.. as i told u before its a good sign, the ones that seldom look at you... just run!!!!"

Well said. I don't think there are any real general practitioners in China (except some from overseas)

There are several "foreign-expensive hospitals" in Shanghai. There are two major issues with these hospitals:

(1) Management of the hospitals:
These hospitals are usually sino-foreign join ventures and managed by chinese teams who may not familiar with the healthcare system in western countries. For example, most of these hospitals are actively seeking new doctors to work there recently. I sent emails to some of them recently in order to get more information (including salary package) but they never replied. So I decided to ring them (from Australia). What I found out is that they expect you to apply for the job without knowing all the details. This is why they never tell you their direct phone numbers in their ads.

Another example is charging people who attend the open day of these hospitals (see my post above). A local hospital I work at in Australia has open day regularly. The hospital provides visitors free coffee, soft drinks and biscuit / cakes and never charges any fees.

(2) The quality of medical staff: I've browsed through the websites of these hospitals and noted that the experience and qualifications among their doctors vary enormously. For example, most chinese "general practitoners" who work at these "foreign-expensive hospitals" never worked / practiced in a western country and their experience, knowledge, skills and competency are obviously questionable. You may find following links useful for your own research:

http://www.ghcchina.com/doctors.aspx?did=18

http://www.kcimc.com/team.asp

http://www.globaldoctor.com.au/Staff.aspx?CurID=Staff&PurID=Services

(very interesting about Dr. Jesus Narvaez, who "graduated from Orient Medical University". His education and qualifications looked a bit confusing. I googled "Orient Medical University" and found no results.)

http://www.unitedfamilyhospitals.com/list03.asp

http://www.seimc.com.cn/medical/general.htm

Here are two posts on this forum:
(1) Edbreejen (under the thread “Huashan Hospital Foreign Clinic – Stay away”):

“It's not only Huashan's foreigner clinic that's a scam, in general all 'special foreigner clinics' of regular hospitals are. They offer consults from a limited number of doctors of their complete staff. These are not necessary the best doctors, but probably the only ones that can speak more than 100 words of English. The only benefits are a shorter queue and a cleaner toilet. For this special service, you pay about 10x the going local rate.”

(2) MVAgusta (under the thread “World Link change to Parkway health”):

“My son cut his finger recently…but Parkway or formerly WorldLink refused to look at his wound until I had to raise a stink and they still told us to go somewhere else because "the doctor was busy" and he is not trained to stitch people up (what!?!, isn't that what they do, we are not talking about major surgery here)."

Yes, a competent general practitioner should be able to manage this kind of minor injuries.

FTM

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Posted: Aug 26, 2009 - 11:58 PM

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(very interesting about Dr. Jesus Narvaez, who "graduated from Orient Medical University". His education and qualifications looked a bit confusing. I googled "Orient Medical University" and found no results.)

It could probably be because the university's name has been translated from Spanish (Escuela de Medicina Universidad de Oriente). All the links leading to the school seem to be blocked, though.

Dahvida

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Posted: Aug 27, 2009 - 10:22 PM

Where can I buy a Hampster in Shanghai? Any help will be gratefully received. My daughter is driving me nuts

bbc74

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Posted: Aug 28, 2009 - 12:55 PM

Wow are they using hamsters in Chinese hospitals now? Dahvid i think your question should go in the question and answer section.

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globalnomad

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Posted: Aug 28, 2009 - 05:41 PM

I had to quote this again, as this is too stupidly ridiculously hilarious, that Parkway is charging for a tour! Way to build a loyal customer base Parkway.

chrisaus wrote:

Parkwaycommunity wrote:

hangbang

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Posted: Oct 23, 2009 - 10:05 AM

There is good clinic for pains related to spine. Korean doctor， a lot of experience , clean. He is really good at American-style of Chiropractic as well as Acupuncture and herbal treatment. They have interpreters
it's called public aviation hospital, not far from carrefour Gubei, at 388 Hong Bao Shi Road third floor, Gubei, Changning District. (红宝石路388号,三楼, 古北，长宁区) Tel: 021)6209-2676

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pearlmilktea

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Posted: Nov 01, 2009 - 07:45 PM

Hi all, just thought I'd share my experience at Renji Hospital East (Pudong). 上海交通大学医学院附属仁济医院.
I had conjunctivitis over the weekend and didn't really want to wait to see an eye doctor on Monday, so I went to the emergency ward of Renji in Pudong near Pujian road.

* Check in: Walked in and went to the window on left of the entrance, stood in back of a huddle of pushy people, and had to elbow my way to the window to keep others from jumping the queue. I told the attendants my problem and they gave me a member book and card. Then I had to go to the window directly opposite that window, did the elbow shuffle again, and paid my 15 RMB registration fee. The woman instructed me to go upstairs. All of this communication was in rudimentary Chinese. I don't think they spoke much English.

* At the "yan ke" optometry department there was a single doctor (no nurses or other staff) who was basically twiddling his thumbs waiting for patients. He looked at my eyes for just a couple of mins, diagnosed conjunctivitis quickly, and prescribed some 'yan shui' eye drops. Fast and easy. Nice guy too. Spoke both English and was patient with my basic Chinese.

* Back downstairs to pay the bill at the 2nd window (did more elbowing and even threw in a shoulder to block a pushy middle aged woman). Paid another 50 RMB or so and was sent to the pharmacy down the hall to pick up my eye drops.

* This is where it was scary. To get to the pharmacy I had to pass down a narrow corridor filled with sick patients, most of whom were on hospital beds. I passed by more than 30 patients who looked like they were just dumped in the hallway because there was nowhere else to put them. I got to the little window and got my meds. The pharmacist spoke a little English and told me how often to take the drops, but she wasn't at all patient or willing to clarify. I was elbowed out of line and went on out of the hospital, passing by the gauntlet of sick patients... trying not to look.

* Summary: The hospital was clean (although old and worn out a bit); the doctor was fast and courteous; and the registration process was easy, but fighting other patients to get to the window made it a bit exhausting. Although if you're not able to get used to doing that in China you'll never make it. Only the pushy survive. I didn't like all the sick patients dumped into the hall that led to the pharmacy...was there no where else to put them? But I got what I needed for a decent price, and I'm glad I went.

Don't hesitate if you need cheap medical attention in Pudong and can speak some Chinese or can go with someone who can. This hospital experience ranked well below what I've experienced in Hong Kong, Singapore, and Taipei, but its better than paying exorbitant fees at some 'Western' clinic like Parkway or Shanghai East Int'l.

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Posted: Nov 01, 2009 - 10:14 PM

Used the rip off services of Worldlink in 2004, never been back since then, been hearing a lot of good things about the Renai Hospital near Ikea in Xuhui from a lot of friends recently, good doctors and resonable priced too.

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adamronchi

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Posted: Nov 05, 2009 - 03:21 PM

Hi !!! there u guys... I am a new member of this forum. myself adam ronchi from newyork,USA. i am in shanghai for a business trip for a week or so.. if u get out side of your country, u should have a knowledge about the place u will visit, health is a important issue in travelling abroad. u have to deal with local language as well..
i read this forum topic for personal information, and surprisingly i can find lots of helpful information here, as far as i know this place, i really love this place.....it has a potencial to became biggest city of whole world...

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