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Hydro
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here i go with my double post again |
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Hydro
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Hydro why don't you enlighten us with definition of socialism? |
An economic system characterized by the collective ownership of property and by the organization of labor for the common advantage of all members.
now im looking forward to some dimwits fabricating interpretations as to how obama is doing this
btw, this thread sure has gone a long way haha |
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Chrisse
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^ The thread is evolving  Who knows when it will stop when people keep making stupid statements?
Btw, that is maybe the dictionary definition but there are different degrees of socialism in reality. |
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Andreas
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Nov 06, 2009 - 02:32 PM |
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| ... You say it as if it was a bad thing... |
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| ... Yeah, same here. Guess the USA would fare well with a moderate dose of socialism. |
Ok does that mean you two agree Obama is giving USA a shot of socialism? |
Definitely, and I think that in moderation a dose of socialism is not bad. Some posters mentioned the upgrade of the health care system, which in my opinion is a good thing and badly needed. |
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| ... Can you give some of things he is doing to turn america into socialism ? |
i can go on all day, but i got things to do, so let me give this to you in a short sentence:
"spreading the wealth around" is precisely what obama's policies will seek to do, he said that on national TV time after time.
He campaigns on a pledge to reduce the taxes on 95% of all Americans, only those making more than $250k will be subject to having an increased percentage of their earnings confiscated by the government in the form of increased taxes, to be redistributed to those citizens that he believes merit the fruits of other people's labor.
that does not sound like socialism to you? |
No. It sounds like taxation to me.
It sounds like you don't know what socialism actually is. Let me enlighten you (via Oxford English dictionary): it is a political and economic theory of social organisation which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole. What this means in simple terms is democracy and nationalisation. Most Americans (including the president) are pro democracy but anti nationalisation, ergo not socialist. |
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^ The thread is evolving Who knows when it will stop when people keep making stupid statements?
Btw, that is maybe the dictionary definition but there are different degrees of socialism in reality. |
American implementation
An sub economic system characterized by the collective ownership of property by government for the advantage of corporate fat cats.
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Hydro
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Nov 06, 2009 - 02:49 PM |
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| Btw, that is maybe the dictionary definition but there are different degrees of socialism in reality. |
and you get decide what's socialism and what isn't?
i think labels for specific economic theories should be applied to that theory only, when you start altering it it's something different. everybody who believes in the existence of jesus is not christian. im not a racist cos i hate my chinese neighbor, see what im getting it?
to equal obama to marx is really quite ridiculous and stupid, the equivalent of equaling bush and hitler (okay maybe a little nicer) |
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Andreas
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Nov 06, 2009 - 02:53 PM |
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| Btw, that is maybe the dictionary definition but there are different degrees of socialism in reality. |
That's exactly right. There has never been a system that was totally socialist. However there are systems with aspects and characteristics of socialism in place to a more or lesser degree. There are some examples in Europe. |
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Shady_Slim
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| Me? blowing a load? LOL, actually enjoying this |
Really? cuz it sounded like you really got worked up. I was just worried you might beat up your wife or kick your dog or something. just checking
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| Btw, Carlsbergs go well when you having a go at a passport shopping moron! |
Good for you. i do not drink beers. single malt scotch for me. but then what the f0ck do you know anyway.
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| I am not being double standard here and i m not enforcing my principles on others. |
You did not answer my question.
Are you ok with the Chinese people queued up in front of USA consulate trying to come to USA?
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| And YES MORON! I DID GET MY CITIZENSHIP BY BIRTH! |
Relax, just checking
who knows. you said your parents have different nationality.
so i figured maybe a slave met a crackwhore on a boat, then oops there you go, who knows
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| morons like you who decide to buy into whatever & whenever they see fit? |
If I like it, I cop it.
Simple as that.
Life is too short, haterz like you are way too many. Ain't gonna worry.
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LOL, should have expected silly immature answers like that from a passport shopping moron, as i said earlier, go back to your little hole laddie, you are NOT god's gift to mankind.. Thank god...
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Chrisse
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Hydro: Marx is not the founder of socialism. I just mentioned that because you can be a socialist and not have the same opinion as Marx did. It is not all black and white. Btw, I didn't agree that the US was turning socialism, just that they seemed to be adapting some socialistic influences. |
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Hydro
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Nov 06, 2009 - 02:59 PM |
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| Andreas wrote: |
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| Btw, that is maybe the dictionary definition but there are different degrees of socialism in reality. |
That's exactly right. There has never been a system that was totally socialist. However there are systems with aspects and characteristics of socialism in place to a more or lesser degree. There are some examples in Europe. |
just because two things have certain similarities does not mean they are the same. just because you wash you hands after you take a sh1t doesn't mean youre OCD and just because your government allows you to vote for a mayor of a city doesn't automatically make the whole country a democracy etc.
i don't know if you are aware of how radical of a concept socialism is |
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Hydro
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Nov 06, 2009 - 03:02 PM |
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| Btw, I didn't agree that the US was turning socialism, just that they seemed to be adapting some socialistic influences. |
great, i agree with you 100%
let's keep it real thoug.. concerning, tax, health care etc. the US is still FAR away from a lot of other countries as far as its level of "socialist" influences goes |
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Andreas
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Nov 06, 2009 - 03:04 PM |
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| Hydro wrote: |
| Andreas wrote: |
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| Btw, that is maybe the dictionary definition but there are different degrees of socialism in reality. |
That's exactly right. There has never been a system that was totally socialist. However there are systems with aspects and characteristics of socialism in place to a more or lesser degree. There are some examples in Europe. |
just because two things have certain similarities does not mean they are the same. just because you wash you hands after you take a sh1t doesn't mean youre OCD and just because your government allows you to vote for a mayor of a city doesn't automatically make the whole country a democracy etc.
i don't know if you are aware of how radical of a concept socialism is |
It's not that radical to me actually. I think it depends from which background you look at it, where you grew up. I am not in favour of total socialsm, but I have nothing against socialdemocracy as it has been and is being practised in a number of countries in Europe. |
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Chris_S_UK
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FEUDALISM: You have two cows. Your lord takes some of the milk.
PURE SOCIALISM: You have two cows. The government takes them and puts them in a barn with everyone else's cows. You have to take care of all of the cows. The government gives you as much milk as you need.
BUREAUCRATIC SOCIALISM: You have two cows. The government takes them and put them in a barn with everyone else's cows. They are cared for by ex-chicken farmers. You have to take care of the chickens the government took from the chicken farmers. The government gives you as much milk and eggs as the regulations say you need.
FASCISM: You have two cows. The government takes both, hires you to take care of them and sells you the milk.
PURE COMMUNISM: You have two cows. Your neighbors help you take care of them, and you all share the milk.
RUSSIAN COMMUNISM: You have two cows. You have to take care of them, but the government takes all the milk.
CAMBODIAN COMMUNISM: You have two cows. The government takes both of them and shoots you.
DICTATORSHIP: You have two cows. The government takes both and drafts you.
PURE DEMOCRACY: You have two cows. Your neighbors decide who gets the milk.
REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY: You have two cows. Your neighbors pick someone to tell you who gets the milk.
BUREAUCRACY: You have two cows. At first the government regulates what you can feed them and when you can milk them. Then it pays you not to milk them. Then it takes both, shoots one, milks the other and pours the milk down the drain. Then it requires you to fill out forms accounting for the missing cows.
PURE ANARCHY: You have two cows. Either you sell the milk at a fair price or your neighbors try to take the cows and kill you.
LIBERTARIAN/ANARCHO-CAPITALISM: You have two cows. You sell one and buy a bull.
SURREALISM: You have two giraffes. The government requires you to take harmonica lessons.
Taken from www.sjgames.com/illuminati/politics.html/ |
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Curious_Visitor
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Nov 06, 2009 - 03:10 PM |
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| ... You have shown without a doubt that Obama is turning america into socialism. |
you are beyond help.
why not just google "obama socialism", and read. reading is fundamental
i rather spend my time laying pipes, cuz, u just can't be helped. |
It is the exact opposite of what you say. The only kind of socialism going around in America is the corporate kind. Obama is a nicely spoken establishment tool who has continued more or less exactly the policies of the last administration: bailouts for Wallstreet, reinflation of the housing market and endless facilities from the Fed to prop up banks with trillions of $ of toxis assets on their balances sheets. Oh, and the wars. Taxing the ultra rich a little more is perfectly trivial. More work for the accountants. It's a great time to be in the top 1% and pretty **** for everyone else. |
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Andreas
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FEUDALISM: You have two cows. Your lord takes some of the milk.
PURE SOCIALISM: You have two cows. The government takes them and puts them in a barn with everyone else's cows. You have to take care of all of the cows. The government gives you as much milk as you need.
BUREAUCRATIC SOCIALISM: You have two cows. The government takes them and put them in a barn with everyone else's cows. They are cared for by ex-chicken farmers. You have to take care of the chickens the government took from the chicken farmers. The government gives you as much milk and eggs as the regulations say you need.
FASCISM: You have two cows. The government takes both, hires you to take care of them and sells you the milk.
PURE COMMUNISM: You have two cows. Your neighbors help you take care of them, and you all share the milk.
RUSSIAN COMMUNISM: You have two cows. You have to take care of them, but the government takes all the milk.
CAMBODIAN COMMUNISM: You have two cows. The government takes both of them and shoots you.
DICTATORSHIP: You have two cows. The government takes both and drafts you.
PURE DEMOCRACY: You have two cows. Your neighbors decide who gets the milk.
REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY: You have two cows. Your neighbors pick someone to tell you who gets the milk.
BUREAUCRACY: You have two cows. At first the government regulates what you can feed them and when you can milk them. Then it pays you not to milk them. Then it takes both, shoots one, milks the other and pours the milk down the drain. Then it requires you to fill out forms accounting for the missing cows.
PURE ANARCHY: You have two cows. Either you sell the milk at a fair price or your neighbors try to take the cows and kill you.
LIBERTARIAN/ANARCHO-CAPITALISM: You have two cows. You sell one and buy a bull.
SURREALISM: You have two giraffes. The government requires you to take harmonica lessons.
Taken from www.sjgames.com/illuminati/politics.html/ |
You beat me to it, I was just looking for that one! |
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Hydro
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It's not that radical to me actually. |
You don't think government or "community" ownership of EVERYTHING is radical?
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| I am not in favour of total socialsm, but I have nothing against socialdemocracy as it has been and is being practised in a number of countries in Europe. |
I agree but there is a GIANT difference between the two |
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UK: You have two cows. One is privatised to pay for the bureucracy. The other goes on strike. We then import the milk from Poland and instigate regime change there to ensure security of supply. |
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peterber
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As a dual EU-American citizen I watch with sadness how America has moved from having the type of win-win capitalism that everyone tried to emulate to a rob-cheat-steal type capitalism that now mostly rewards idiotic lawsuits and lawyers, greedy healthcare providers that prey on the misfortune of others and greedy bankers who's outrageous bonuses have drained 100's of billions of taxpayer dollars -- and which has caused the global economic mess we are in now. No wonder the "abused" US masses are crying for fairness and equaliy. For ANYTHING better than what they have now, including more "socialism" in the Keynsian sense. I feel for Obama and his efforts of turning this around by creating a more Keynsian model mixed economy but I don't think he's got the "juice" unfortunately. There are too many right wing religious fanatics, gun totin' war mongers and get rich quick wacko's fighting his every move. Very sad. The US has got a very rough road ahead...
Another disturbing trend is as China embraces capitalism many "new-capitalists" seem to try to model their money making efforts after the current US model of destructive capitalism...NOT a good idea. Quality of life is not only about making money - it's about capitalism with a concience - quality education for all, social stability and equality, healthcare for all, quality housing, better communications, etc., etc. All the "best quality of life" surveys that I have seen point towards the Germanic/Nordic nations as best - especially Switzerland, Denmark, Sweden, Norway and Finland. |
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leidelaohu
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| An sub economic system characterized by the collective ownership of property by government for the advantage of corporate fat cats. |
Benito Mussolini : (he invented it)
"Fascism is the operation of government for the benefit of corporations."
USA is not socialist to any great extent. Change "corporations" to "financial sector" and USA is obviously fascist. |
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| Quality of life is not only about making money - it is about quality education for all, social stability and equality, healthcare for all, quality housing, better communications, etc., etc. All the "best quality of life" surveys that I have seen point towards the Germanic/Nordic nations as best - especially Switzerland, Denmark, Sweden, Norway and Finland. |
Very true, and exactly what is covered by the concept of a social democracy. |
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Andreas
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| Andreas wrote: |
It's not that radical to me actually. |
You don't think government or "community" ownership of EVERYTHING is radical?
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| I am not in favour of total socialsm, but I have nothing against socialdemocracy as it has been and is being practised in a number of countries in Europe. |
I agree but there is a GIANT difference between the two |
Don't mix up socialism with communism. |
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Marakanis
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| This is back from page 6, in case you wanted to see where things became "uncivil" as you put it. Yes... It was you. Then analyahoo called you a dumbass and you called him a f00kwit, and so on and so on... |
"Give me a f0cking break" is not the same as "you are a f0cking dumbass".
The former is an emphasized remark showing that you strongly disagree with what the other person said. The word "f0cking" in that sentence does not mean insult to the other person.
The later is a direct personal attack by name calling, which is an insult to the other person.
That's the difference. I can not help you if you can not see that. |
Uhh, you said that things got uncivil through no fault of your own. Using cuss words is uncivil. YOU were the first to use it. Whether it was to emphasize your point or not is irrelevant. You brought it to the table first along with your ignorance and stupidity which seems to cover every topic under the sun...
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| And we all know this to be untrue. Carls Jr is the most recent example of this. Foreign management here, everything great. The moment they left, utter collapse. Shut down for weeks. Drop in food quality, etc, etc... |
This proves: when foreign management pulls out, the place turned sh1t.
I do not dispute that.
But that was not your original argument, your original argument in this case is: without foreigners, there will never be a burger place.
Which is not proved by your Carl Jr example. |
Uhh, we were back to the original argument which was that if all the expats were suddenly removed, businesses would fail. This was a solid example of that. Carls Jr without an expat management team dies rather rapidly. For the other argument, that if China had been isolationist and had no foreign influences there would be no burgers and beers and such, we need only look at your example of North Korea, who had to go to foreign sources in order to get those things because they could not do it on their own. Point proven, thanks to your NK reference.
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| You're wrong. Some come here to make money, but MANY come here to help the Chinese. Believe it or not, I did. My girlfriend did. |
If you read again, I said "most of you guys", I never said all.
I am sure a % of expats come to China with genuine love and interest for China and its people, want to help improving the country.
Whether you are one of those, I do not know. Although judging by many of the condescending comments you made towards China and Chinese people, I highly doubt it. |
You can doubt all you want, but I came here with good intentions. If you think my statements are condescending, think again. They're grounded pretty solidly in reality and from what I've experienced living in China for the past year. Given you only visit for 3 months at a time before you get "fed up with them" and you can't even stand living in China for more than that, I don't think you're one to talk about condescension towards China. If you don't point out what needs changing and you run for the hills everytime you get upset instead of discussing it, nothing will change.
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| And the final statement which is just blatantly false. |
This issue has been beaten to death.
There might have been some misunderstanding caused by exaggeration.
I am not saying without expats, China will be the same exact thing at the same exact pace. I repeatedly stated that expats did help with the growth of the country. I just thought you went too far with your statement that china will not have anything and the ppl will slit eachother's throat. |
But now you're lying. You repeatedly stated that expats had absolutely no hand in China's growth... Do I need to quote you again, or is your memory really that shoddy? Are you now admitting that without expats, Shanghai would not be so great, thus proving that I was right? Sounds like it...
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| At this point, there is nothing more to argue. I think we both said everything we had to say. |
Not until you admit you're wrong or shut up.
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| Anyways, you seem to have a LOT of hate for expats given that you ARE one since you're an American citizen living in China. If you think China is so great, you should renounce your American citizenship and apply for Chinese citizenship. I'm sure you'd love it. |
I honestly have no hatred towards expats.
Sure if I read certain comments from expats that obviously carrying racial remarks and condescending tone, I will respond to that if I disagree., that does not mean I hate expats.
I met and hang with many expats in Shanghai and Beijing, they are great people. |
Really??? Let's see how you REALLY feel about expats by quoting... you.
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and fookwit, why don't you list all the REAL achievements expat have done??
u guys come to china, because you feel like a bigger man than you are at home. anyone who is rolling large already back in the states, will NOT come here to work, yes come here to chill and retire, ok, but not here to work to make a buck or two. if you are doing that, its because you have a better opportunity here and you can pretend to be hi-society.
back in the states, u guys b waiting in line out in the cold outside of a manhattan night club, cuz ur too cheap to man up for a 5 bottles minimum table service or tip $100 to the bouncer. here u walk into bar rouge buying a $10 drink and act like ur donald trump.
back home no one looks at you twice, here ur foreigner so that gives u a higher social status, ur treated better here and that boosts ur ego.
enjoy while it lasts. |
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Minor correction, I am not living in China, it's more like an extended vacation for me. I do not plan on spending more time in China than USA out of a year.
As for citizenship, I travel alot, right now many countries require visa for China passport, so thats no good for me. |
So you're an opportunist, suckling at the teat of whatever institution benefits you the most. Are you sure you're not a socialist?
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| lets face it, this whole Obama thing is not gonna work out. |
Actually, it's working a lot better than Bush, and it's nice to see a president who wants to help the people as opposed to bend them over and rape them for every dime they can get.
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| Pretty much every expat on this board has done more for China than you... |
You ought to, because you guys work here and earn here. I do not. |
But according to you, you're Chinese and the whole reason you started saying dumb things was because you were "defending China" and saying how great it was and would be without expats or foreign influence. Do you realize how hypocritical you are?
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| So, what are you so insecure about? Why are you so self-loathing? |
I am not insecure. |
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I am NOT the 1st one resorting to name calling.
I attack beck after ppl attacked me. |
Oh come on. You attacked all the expats when you said this...
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gimme a f0cking break.
china will still b where its at, without the so called foreign management ppl like you.
u guys see the opportunity and come here to make money, thats the sole reason why u leave your family and friends back home. most of u guys own a small biz or work as a peon sent by international corps. stop acting like ur the savior that made china the #2 economy body in the world. its laughable.
all the top chinese corps on forbes list are local companies, all the ppl top the hurun report china rich list are self-made, with their local education(if they even had one) and way of thinking.
remember, merely 30 yrs ago, private biz did not exist, and look at where it is at today. u expats had no hand in that. |
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| You are a very conflicted individual. |
I do not see it that way, just like an Italian American can be loyal towards both Italy and USA.
However you are entitled to your opinion. |
My opinion is you're a self-serving, hypocritical, idiot who has no loyalty to anyone but yourself and would sell out your homeland for a dollar and just move on to the next one. =P |
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Curious_Visitor
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As a dual EU-American citizen I watch with sadness how America has moved from having the type of win-win capitalism that everyone tried to emulate to a rob-cheat-steal type capitalism that now mostly rewards idiotic lawsuits and lawyers, greedy healthcare providers that prey on the misfortune of others and greedy bankers who's outrageous bonuses have drained 100's of billions of taxpayer dollars -- and which has caused the global economic mess we are in now. No wonder the "abused" US masses are crying for fairness and equaliy. For ANYTHING better than what they have now, including more "socialism" in the Keynsian sense. I feel for Obama and his efforts of turning this around by creating a more Keynsian model mixed economy but I don't think he's got the "juice" unfortunately. There are too many right wing religious fanatics, gun totin' war mongers and get rich quick wacko's fighting his every move. Very sad. The US has got a very rough road ahead...
Another disturbing trend is as China embraces capitalism many "new-capitalists" seem to try to model their money making efforts after the current US model of destructive capitalism...NOT a good idea. Quality of life is not only about making money - it is about quality education for all, social stability and equality, healthcare for all, quality housing, better communications, etc., etc. All the "best quality of life" surveys that I have seen point towards the Germanic/Nordic nations as best - especially Switzerland, Denmark, Sweden, Norway and Finland. |
Some of the principled right wingers actually have a point - they think that America is best run without a gigantic, intrusive, wasteful, warmongering government. The problem with the establishment 'right' is they are quite happy to support big goverment for the military, police, war on drugs, 'national security' surveillance etc etc. but absolutely cannot stand to see a cent spent on education, support for the unemployed, investment in infrastructure etc. |
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btb
Veejay
Joined: Aug 09, 2008
Posts: 2011
Status: Offline
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Nov 06, 2009 - 03:39 PM |
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To some up right and left wing principal in america
Govt should spend money on things "I" like or "I" benefit.
The fight is due to right and left like opposite things.
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