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ClarenceBodicker
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honestly guys , i didint know thysa weere ur gfs |
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findus
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KalanStar, in the name of scientiic progress, please take the pill for the next year and report to us on a weekly basis on things like sex drive, boob tenderness, penile disfunction and late periods. Xiexie. |
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nrgfink
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SnappySammy
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Don't tell her your real name and change partners every 30 days.... |
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brasil
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the morning after pill doesnt cause hair fall out or vomiting..this is ridiculous..where did u get that information?
the side effect is that it change your periods circle.
but u can practice yoga to make it normal again. |
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carlon78
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the morning after pill doesnt cause hair fall out or vomiting..this is ridiculous..where did u get that information?
the side effect is that it change your periods circle.
but u can practice yoga to make it normal again. |
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awilli8
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["The Pill" aka pregnant mares urine, is extremely bad for women. It's one of the long-term use treatments that has never been tested long term. I always tell my girlfriends not to take it. If women pay attention to their cycle and ask the BF to wear a condom, then no pill before or after is needed.]
You are an idiot and completely ignorant of the biology of women's bodies. Did you really just quote wikipedia as your source? STFU. |
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Marakanis
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Nov 07, 2009 - 08:21 PM |
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You'd think women's bodies were being studied by witch doctors or something. Blistering ignorance always seems to prevail... |
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clayrview
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I've been on the pill for seven years, without any side effects. And even though I've been with the same partner for the last 3 years, we still use a condom too! Ain't no stray missiles getting through my defenses!
I might sound like a biznitch, but even if the pill slightly (very, very slightly) raises my chances of getting cancer, I'm much rather get cancer than pregnant.
At least I wouldn't feel guilty getting rid of the cancer.
There is some research that indicates that breast cancer risks are slightly increased, however with cervical cancer risks being decreased, the latter being a more aggressive form of cancer, I think the benefits WAY out weigh the risks. Peace of mind being the biggest one. Empowering the woman to take control of their bodies and sexuality.
Never having to have a nervous break down because 'the condom broke'. |
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CoffeeHawk_0
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Nov 07, 2009 - 09:51 PM |
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try using the tortilla things that you get when you order Bejing duck and pop a big bao zi on the end of your member to seal the whole thing off. |
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carlon78
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| CoffeeHawk_0 wrote: |
| try using the tortilla things that you get when you order Bejing duck and pop a big bao zi on the end of your member to seal the whole thing off. |
That's always worked for me. |
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KalanStar
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["The Pill" aka pregnant mares urine, is extremely bad for women. It's one of the long-term use treatments that has never been tested long term. I always tell my girlfriends not to take it. If women pay attention to their cycle and ask the BF to wear a condom, then no pill before or after is needed.]
You are an idiot and completely ignorant of the biology of women's bodies. Did you really just quote wikipedia as your source? STFU. |
Having studied Human Biology, I highly doubt I'm "completely ignorant" 
I guess 60 million Japanese women and most Japanese doctors must be idiots too eh??
And in regards to sources, Western medical info states that there are only slight increases in cancer rates after 10 years abstaining from the pill, but they never tell anyone the increased chances while on it!!! Why is that??? Because it'd bloody well scare the crap out of Western women and the pharmaceutical companies that produce it would be sued by the tens of thousands of women that get cancers related to its use each year.
Go on, keep being a sheep. I don't give a f*ck if you get cancer! |
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clayrview
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Keep in mind that the condom is only 90-98% effective when used correctly. To a man, sure that might sound just grand. But the psychological toll on a woman, who has missed her period, and the stress that is caused by that uncertainity is something to be considered. Not all women want to have abortions, but those same women (like myself) would dread the idea of an unwanted pregnancy.
That 2% where a condom might fail might sound like a little to you, but to most women it's their entire life. It's not your body, and you wouldn't have to physically pay for the consequences.
I think it's a scary world when men of a non-medical profession think they are qualified to advise women on choices about their bodies. |
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Marakanis
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Nov 08, 2009 - 01:31 PM |
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| awilli8 wrote: |
["The Pill" aka pregnant mares urine, is extremely bad for women. It's one of the long-term use treatments that has never been tested long term. I always tell my girlfriends not to take it. If women pay attention to their cycle and ask the BF to wear a condom, then no pill before or after is needed.]
You are an idiot and completely ignorant of the biology of women's bodies. Did you really just quote wikipedia as your source? STFU. |
Having studied Human Biology, I highly doubt I'm "completely ignorant" |
On Sesame Street no doubt...
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| I guess 60 million Japanese women and most Japanese doctors must be idiots too eh?? |
I see you looked up the wiki for the population of japan and divided by two... Stop pulling numbers out of your rear. It just points out how idiotic your statements are.
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| And in regards to sources, Western medical info states that there are only slight increases in cancer rates after 10 years abstaining from the pill, but they never tell anyone the increased chances while on it!!! Why is that??? Because it'd bloody well scare the crap out of Western women and the pharmaceutical companies that produce it would be sued by the tens of thousands of women that get cancers related to its use each year. |
Sorry, but there have been hundreds of thousands of studies on "The Pill," and there are hundreds of different forms of "The Pill" on the market that have various doses of whatever hormones are necessary to make it work. At the end of the day, there are more than enough options that a woman can find something with very low to no side effects, and given that the people doing the studies are often psychotic groups that are TRYING to make the pill look bad, I find it pretty comforting that nearly all the studies agree that the breast cancer % increase is very low.
All the information and studies just do not back up what you're saying. They very clearly state that the risk of breast cancer only goes up while you're ON "The Pill" and that the risk goes away within months of stopping usage.
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| Go on, keep being a sheep. I don't give a f*ck if you get cancer! |
What's sad is that you don't realize that you're the sheep of whatever propaganda machine you've latched onto... |
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awilli8
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Nov 08, 2009 - 03:04 PM |
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I guess 60 million Japanese women and most Japanese doctors must be idiots too eh??
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My ex mother in law also quoted some obscure japanse study she found on wikipedia to support her argument that I should not vaccinate my kids. You can find a japanese study on wikipedia to support any position. It doesn't mean you don't sound completely silly when you start talking crazy like that. It is also extremely presumptuous and annoying for you to even have an opinion on another person's choice of contraception. MYOB. |
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KalanStar
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Nov 08, 2009 - 03:37 PM |
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Marakanis awilli8:
USA's breast cancer rate is 21.2 per 100,000 females
Japan's breast cancer rate is 8.6 per 100,000 females
source: WHO
Why is that? hmmmm?? (but then again, breast cancer in Japan did increase two-fold from the 60's to the 80's, before the pill was approved, although this could simply be evidence of better diagnosis or an increase in reporting).
Breast cancer is the leading cause of cancer death in women between the ages of 15 and 54, and the second cause of cancer death in women 55 to 74. Alot of women aged 15 to 54 take the pill!
Probability of Developing Breast Cancer (USA) Within the Next 10 years
By age 20 1 out of 1,985
By age 30 1 out of 229
By age 40 1 out of 68
By age 50 1 out of 37
By age 60 1 out of 26
By age 70 1 out of 24
Lifetime 1 out of 8
Source: American Cancer Society Breast Cancer Facts & Figures, 2005-2006.
clayrview:
The effectiveness of birth control pills depends entirely on how they are used. While the stated effectiveness is 96-99% in reality this rate is much lower, around 87%. Poor user habits are the reason for the discrepancy.
So according to your last post, you'd have more peace of mind using condoms, or???
Anyway, mercury and bloodletting were believed to be safe for a very long time, and people like Marakanis staunchly defended those practices using "proof" that they failed to produce. |
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Marakanis
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You realize your evidence is completely anecdotal and that there's no proof of correlation whatsoever. It's like saying car accidents are caused by carrots because 80% of people who get in accidents eat carrots... Correlation is not causation.
You could say that Japanese women have less breast cancer because they eat more fish and it would be just as true...
You're not real big on the sciences there, are ya? =P
As to the 87% effectiveness. Yeah, if you're an idiot and don't take your pill around the same time each day, the effectiveness drops. Same as if you don't put on the condom snugly or don't pull out properly or screw up on your timing with the rhythm method. Oh wait, actually, it's MUCH higher chance of still preventing pregnancy than when you f up those other methods. |
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findus
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Nov 08, 2009 - 04:20 PM |
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| You realize your evidence is completely anecdotal and that there's no proof of correlation whatsoever. It's like saying car accidents are caused by carrots because 80% of people who get in accidents eat carrots... Correlation is not causation. |
I'm glad there's someone else here willing to be logic nazi with these noobs, gets tiring.
Good job, son. |
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hammerforlife
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He's convinced me. There's no way I'm ever eating carrots again! |
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KalanStar
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Logic Nazi's, whatever. I highly doubt anyone disagreeing with me took a logicclass
Anyway: Most birth control pills are "combination pills" containing a combination of the hormones estrogen and progesterone to prevent ovulation. Breast cancer has been scientifically proven to be linked with higher levels of progesterone. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC26551/
Moreover, both breast cancer and usage of "the pill" have been tied to the affluent and industrializing societies. The USA and Western Europe have the highest pill usage and the highest breast cancer cases, while places like Eastern Europe and Asia have the lowest levels of both.
I have yet to see any scientific proof or logical argument that disagrees with my conclusions as to the unsafe nature of using "the pill". But by all means feel free to keep calling me names and referring to facts and proofs which do not exist while relying on fallacies of logic |
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hammerforlife
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| Moreover, both breast cancer and usage of "the pill" have been tied to the affluent and industrializing societies. The USA and Western Europe have the highest pill usage and the highest breast cancer cases, while places like Eastern Europe and Asia have the lowest levels of both. |
And both also have the highest rate of heart disease. Are you suggesting that the pill causes that too? You clearly don't understand Marakanis's point regarding correlation. |
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Marakanis
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Nov 08, 2009 - 05:06 PM |
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I have yet to see any scientific proof or logical argument that disagrees with my conclusions as to the unsafe nature of using "the pill". But by all means feel free to keep calling me names and referring to facts and proofs which do not exist while relying on fallacies of logic |
The fact that you don't understand that you're relying on fallacies of logic and have presented no legitimate proof yourself is what makes us call you names.
From the study you just linked:
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| Oestrogen and progesterone are hypothesised to play a crucial part in the development of breast cancer in women.1 |
It is not fact. In fact... They're just saying the hormone has something to do with breast cancer levels. Here's another study that agrees, but in the opposite direction of what you're saying...
http://www.yourlifesource.com/progesterone-breast-cancer.htm
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| Johns Hopkins University, not a fly-by-night organization, did a 20 year study, was published in 1983 in the American Journal of Epidemiology and they showed that those women who had good progesterone levels had less than a 5th of the amount of breast cancer and less than a 10th of all the cancers that occurred in women who were low in progesterone. This would suggest that having a normal level of progesterone protected women from nine-tenths of all cancers that might otherwise have occurred! |
The "facts" are that being obese or drinking too much alcohol will increase your risk factors for getting breast cancer by MUCH MUCH more than taking the pill. Do you think obesity in the west vs east situation might be the link to the differences in breast cancer rather than the pill?
Well I ain't no scientist but a durrrrrr. =P
Stop latching onto your theory and rejecting all other evidence. The Pill isn't bad, it just isn't for everyone, but they have a lot of different types of pills these days and most women can find one they're comfortable with. |
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JasUK
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Nov 08, 2009 - 05:11 PM |
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| condoms for me but have had a few chinese ones split completely whilst in progress so had to get them to take the morning after pill as well... nightmare - only 30 kuai though |
Maybe local condoms are made to fit local "members" you need to try to find BSI KiteMarked ones as they would be tested and certificated to the European standards EN600 and not GB (chinese) standard. thus being more suited to the "Europeam Member"
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KalanStar
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| Marakanis wrote: |
From the study you just linked:
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| Oestrogen and progesterone are hypothesised to play a crucial part in the development of breast cancer in women.1 |
It is not fact. In fact... They're just saying the hormone has something to do with breast cancer levels. Here's another study that agrees, but in the opposite direction of what you're saying... |
Holy F*ck you're stupid!!! 
You've obviously never seen a scientific study before:lol: YOur quote is just from the preamble.... ie "the reason why the researchers did the study". They hypothesized there was a link, then they did the study and guess what??? THERE WAS!!!
Higher concentrations of ovarian progesterone in the mid-luteal phase were strongly associated with an increasing incidence of breast cancer (r2=0.968, P=0.0025) (figure): an increase in progesterone concentration of <70% coincided with a more than 8-fold rise in cancer rate. This pattern confirms the expected positive relation between concentrations of ovarian progesterone and incidence of breast cancer in these populations.
Try reading the whole page next time! And that link was from the British Medical Journal 2001. JHU, (which did accept me by the way) has a valid study, but there could have been flaws in the methodology, sample, or something else. The very fact it occurred in 1982 means it isn't up to date and more recent research should be accorded greater rate as testing study procedures have improved greatly from that time.
Marakanus: You're about as smart as George Bush. Assuming you had a daddy rich enough to pay-off a Uni to admit you, you probably got all D's |
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awilli8
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I have yet to see any scientific proof or logical argument that disagrees with my conclusions as to the unsafe nature of using "the pill".
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Your whole argument is illogical. It doesn't make any logical sense to latch on to one study out of thousands that you cherry picked out of a public net encyclopedia that is entirely lacking of specific facts but very heavy on conclusions. When pressed for evidence of your claims you cite all kinds of tangential and circumstantial facts that do not support your conclusions. Since, according to you, the pill is the culprit and the pharmaceutical industry is the puppetmaster, what to say about the thousands of men who are diagnosed with breast cancer every year? You sound like you failed out of prelaw at community college. At least you got that Human Biology credit out of the way. |
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