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mandythebirdlady
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Do you think a case against an employer for workplace bullying would be given the time of day here or is that just a little expat pipedream? |
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Zak101
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leidelaohu
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| mandythebirdlady wrote: |
| Do you think a case against an employer for workplace bullying would be given the time of day here or is that just a little expat pipedream? |
Expat pipedream.
You can deal with it tho, Ms Bird. I have faith ! |
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woaihuan
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Nov 07, 2009 - 07:27 PM |
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Expat pipedream.
Be more specific. |
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woaihuan
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Although, if you went through the company (talk to his boss), you might get something done, especially if it's a foreign company or you're a valued employee. Through the government, as was said, expat pipedream. |
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Adrienne
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Birdlady, I would write a mail to our legal beagle Mr. Erex Chen at
erexcxl@yahoo.com.cn. I would explain the whole situation in detail so he can get a good overall perspective and advise accordingly.
I say GO FOR IT but expect a roller coaster ride!
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woaihuan
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Nov 07, 2009 - 07:46 PM |
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Also expect to pay a lot of money and likely make things a lot worse for yourself. This is China, not America.
Just because the lawyer might think it is a good idea (because he gets paid) doesn't mean it actually is. |
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woaihuan
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Nov 07, 2009 - 07:47 PM |
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Could always hire some gangsters to beat him up like the locals do. It'd be cheaper.  |
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bougie
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mandythebirdlady
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Thanks everyone! Adrienne, I will send him an email and see what he thinks! Failing that I will give Bougie his 5000 yuan to work his magic! Can't give too many details on here but needless to say I am yet another victim of a man with too much power. |
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woaihuan
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Nov 07, 2009 - 11:44 PM |
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Now I'm really interested. Come on - you can tell us. Lets hear it. Don't let us suffer (and speculate about what it might be)! |
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monalisalee
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Yeah, apparently it's a male, but beware the Shanghainese female boss. The worst bullies. |
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bigroh73
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When you say workplace bully - (male boss), is it physical intimidation, verbal abuse (yelling/screaming - pointing his finger at you), or making you do things that you don't want to.??
This will have an impact on what your options are.
Unfortunately, this is China, and many HR principles/protection that exist in most developed countries often don't exist here - and this may be one of them.
Even if in the letter of the law in CHina - you are right, then there is the enforcing of the law - not too common at all.
If its a foreign-owned company - there is a chance, as you can go above and outside the China office. If he is the boss in a Chinese company, if you push it - you might just find that your contract isn't renewed next time, or you're handed 1mth notice at some stage. So - is it worth pushing it? You need to consider it.
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woaihuan
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Nov 08, 2009 - 10:13 AM |
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Is the job really worth the hassle?
Might be easier just to update the old resume, ask the boss for a reference, and start looking for a new job while you still have a reference.
BTW, is the boss foreign or local? Out of curiosity. |
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SHstormtrooper
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Carbon freeze him and hang him up in your hallway. That's my solution. |
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condesa
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Nov 08, 2009 - 12:26 PM |
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| mandythebirdlady wrote: |
| Do you think a case against an employer for workplace bullying would be given the time of day here or is that just a little expat pipedream? |
It doesn't matter HOW RIGHT YOU ARE, think about how much is going to cost you (lawyer fees), and what it will be the outcome. Here, you are a 'laowai' and you know they don't like us, do you honestly think that somebody is going to bother to give 'fairness' to the laowai?, NOT REALLY.
If the bully is your boss, the only smart thing to do is to hit the road as quickly as you can, if you fight it is UNLIKELY that you will win unless you get support of your colleagues (if they are Chinese, you know they are cowards in general so you will be left alone on this one).
Like one of my lawyer friends told me once: 'It doesn't matter if you are right or not, what it matters is that you can prove it' 
Anyway, good luck to you !! |
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woaihuan
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Nov 08, 2009 - 01:35 PM |
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| Like one of my lawyer friends told me once: 'It doesn't matter if you are right or not, what it matters is that you can prove it' |
Even that doesn't matter here. |
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dsugg
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Nov 08, 2009 - 02:29 PM |
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| mandythebirdlady wrote: |
| Do you think a case against an employer for workplace bullying would be given the time of day here or is that just a little expat pipedream? |
It doesn't matter HOW RIGHT YOU ARE, think about how much is going to cost you (lawyer fees), and what it will be the outcome. Here, you are a 'laowai' and you know they don't like us, do you honestly think that somebody is going to bother to give 'fairness' to the laowai?, NOT REALLY.
If the bully is your boss, the only smart thing to do is to hit the road as quickly as you can, if you fight it is UNLIKELY that you will win unless you get support of your colleagues (if they are Chinese, you know they are cowards in general so you will be left alone on this one).
Like one of my lawyer friends told me once: 'It doesn't matter if you are right or not, what it matters is that you can prove it'
Anyway, good luck to you !! |
Didn't you just arrive here? How did you learn so much about Chinese people so quickly? Is it personal experiences or have you become expert just from reading Marakanis's posts? |
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woaihuan
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Nov 08, 2009 - 02:35 PM |
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| dsugg wrote: |
| condesa wrote: |
| mandythebirdlady wrote: |
| Do you think a case against an employer for workplace bullying would be given the time of day here or is that just a little expat pipedream? |
It doesn't matter HOW RIGHT YOU ARE, think about how much is going to cost you (lawyer fees), and what it will be the outcome. Here, you are a 'laowai' and you know they don't like us, do you honestly think that somebody is going to bother to give 'fairness' to the laowai?, NOT REALLY.
If the bully is your boss, the only smart thing to do is to hit the road as quickly as you can, if you fight it is UNLIKELY that you will win unless you get support of your colleagues (if they are Chinese, you know they are cowards in general so you will be left alone on this one).
Like one of my lawyer friends told me once: 'It doesn't matter if you are right or not, what it matters is that you can prove it'
Anyway, good luck to you !! |
Didn't you just arrive here? How did you learn so much about Chinese people so quickly? Is it personal experiences or have you become expert just from reading Marakanis's posts? |
If you disagree, tell him he's wrong. Otherwise, keep your comments to yourself.
Chinese won't put their ass on the line for anyone unless they'll get paid for it. |
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dsugg
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Ok - I don't think Chinese dislike me or all other laowai. I am sure some do. So I disagree with the statement that 'they don't like us'. As far as being cowards goes - I don't feel strongly one way or the other. I am certainly not prepared to label them all as cowards. |
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jackabcd
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Chinease boses are worst bullies I have seen in my life. I was recruited on the basis of merit and when he started to know that I know my work very well he started bullying me. He still owes 2 months of my salary and so far not given any salary slip.
I am an India , I had faced the problem in India only with chinease firm. He is a PhD holder who showed he took it in hook and crook by means of his behaviour. He had an affair with an Indian lady who is of very young age and during the office time he atleast goes to her minimum 15 times in a day. He was lazy and arrogant man who thinks who worked under him as slaves.
Bull **** chinease boses.
I know American, European boses who behaved in very good manner and they only care about the work and so friendly.
One thing i noted they do not follow any principles as such followed in europe, highly selfish, crooked people. In many of the meeting with him when real technical points is being discussed he moves out of dicussion saying stomach trouble..... etc. So funny man.
From the above replies made by other memers I came to know Chinease bosses are so cruel in china too.
It is better to work in Afghanistan than China.
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Turkish
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I am against the chinese are cowards statement due to my very first hand experience in shenzhen. I had a fight with our partner's bodyguard which ended with lots of bruises & blood on the floor, action continued in hospital corridors and finally ended in local police station. One of my chinese friend was there to throw himself towards the dumb-ass and tried his best to shut him up in hospital even though he was at least 15 cm shorter than bullying guy. He was also there to testify in police station. If you are worthy friend to him then being chinese or laowai is not the criteria.
The real question remains the same: is it worth the trouble to mess with him? |
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realtrueblue
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Dec 22, 2009 - 07:28 PM |
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^ you're right, compared to turks, they probably aren't cowards.
But we were comparing to Europeans and Westerners. |
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Turkish
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Being coward is not an attribute of a society, it is related with individuals therefore generalization is not a valid argument. Every society have their heros and cowards and they only reveal their face when there is no other way to act. Compared to this or that nation, more/less coward? Really  We are talking about a civilization which has been here for centuries and fought against it's enemies throughout all this time are made of cowards or less brave than europeans and westerners I believe comparing this issue is useless, what should be compared is: how the law acts here in China against the crimes or threats in work place/ social life, favoritism of acting parties in disputes compared to europe or usa. Question still remains the same: is it worth the trouble ? |
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ziccawei
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I would definitely say that Turkish people are NOT cowards. |
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