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littlefox
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Joined: Nov 23, 2003
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Dec 11, 2004 - 03:51 PM |
 
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| Personally I have much less of a problem with the behaviors than the lack of analytical abillity the government has instilled in most of the population that causes them to make such ignorant statements about china |
look back into your posts unfortunately I didn't find anything relate with analytical. are you making yourself another exhibition of a whining scumbag in shanghai, dwarf the Chinese to blow up your inferior inside? |
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fukuman
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u gotts love lf, point proven |
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Orca
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Joined: Aug 31, 2004
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Dec 19, 2004 - 03:53 PM |
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What's wrong with the Chinese mainland?
Too many self-absorbed, egotistical, self-righteous, arrogant and God-complex foreigners.
Tha pretty well sums it up for me. |
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timdawe
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Joined: Nov 26, 2004
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Dec 19, 2004 - 09:55 PM |
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After a month in Shanghai, I was irritated by the city.  Then I had a couple of massages from the hairdressers in Tianshan Road.  Now nothing bothers me quite as much. |
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Selena
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Joined: Dec 08, 2004
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Dec 19, 2004 - 10:34 PM |
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Temporary measures won't last...will sure get irritated again once the massage effect wears off..c'mon, get real. We face these things everyday, just need to manage them in our daily lives.
To me, persistence and being firm without being impolite helps. |
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shanghaibarry
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Joined: May 18, 2004
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Location: Shanghai
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Dec 27, 2004 - 04:33 PM |
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When people interfere with your life, you want people to back off... who gives us the right to muddle the water that others drink? People are products of their own upbringings, cultures, and education. Some would have a better realisation of what they are doing and others have not gotten to that level of self reflection. So, there is no point to get too worked up in things that do not happen according to what other countries' rule and logic or do not make sense on the surface.
One may find others strange, others may feel the same way about you too. |
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lenique
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Jan 06, 2005 - 03:37 AM |
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I really think that the people who should go home and stay home are Livsnyter and Go_Home. I think that the issues brought up in this discussion thread are realistic and relevant, and the words used to describe these commonly come across behaviors of the chinese people in China are acceptable and reasonable, without any sarcasm or foul language or rudeness being made. Being an open chat forum, there is no reason for its existence if there is no room for its open and free chat. Having said that, I would like to add that these views made of the China's people behavior are not coming only from a westerner's perspective but also from foreigners of other nations including Asia. And, replying to one of the remarks made by someone in this thread, we who are from other Asian countries, whether descendants of chinese ancestors or not, do not behave the way you do in these 12 aspects mentioned. I can close one eye on some of these 12 points where it involves a person's personal habits such as talking loud on the mobile phone and not choosing to shower everyday. However, when people do things that directly affect me such as jumping on the queue, or walking straight through me at 11pm at night/at anytime of the day, or giving me a foul-looking face when I have done nothing to deserve it, or talking to me with such rudeness or yelling as if he/she is chasing away a beggar on the street, then it becomes a problem because they are trespassing into my personal space and my being. As an Asian foreigner, I have to deal with even more rudeness and roughness than the Western foreigner, which is really ridiculous but is unfortunately factual. No one is expecting you to change overnight, but simply asking you to acknowledge these facts, at least I am, and acknowledgment is the first step to change in anything. By telling people to get out and go home, you are simply proving yourself not any better than the rest of the people who adopt these 12 habits. Just because the society has been under a certain way of ruling which had led the people to a certain way of behaving is perhaps understandable, but it is not justifiable. |
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Edgewood
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Joined: Jan 28, 2004
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Location: Colonial Shanghai
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Jan 06, 2005 - 07:22 AM |
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True, Chinese treat other Asians even worse than white foreigners. |
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good4kicks
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Jan 21, 2005 - 04:58 PM |
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Well, here I am again back to this posting, which seems has developed into a very interesting topic.
I started driving here in June of last year and discovered a whole new dimension of how fu@ked up this place really is. Driving really encapsulates and exposes all of the worst these people have to offer. Selfishness, rudeness, stupidity, etc.
Driving is also a good way to discover the stupidity of the civil engineers that designed the roads and the universities that trained them. One also gets to see the greed in the peasant locals when they hit your car because of their stupidity and then try to screw you for compensation because you are a foreigner and the stupid traffic law is on their side.
Do you people know that the law here requires that if a non motorised vehicle or pedestrian hits my car and they are at fault, I am required to pay them compensation? And if one of these idiots happens to kill themselves as an act of their stupidity, then I have to pay the family compensation of 20 years salary unless I can prove they intended to suicide?
What is even more astonishing, is that this law was introduced last year! What I say is true. Is this an example of "China progressing" someone as someone said earlier?
What a ridiculous law indicative of the ridiculous peasants running this country. |
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SirFiddler
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Joined: Mar 30, 2004
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Location: Very close to a bottle of chilled Boags
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Jan 21, 2005 - 05:36 PM |
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the first , and that's no joke, advise I got about driving here is : If you hit someone with a car and it doesn't look that good , fly back home as quick as you can.... |
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flying_heart
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Feb 13, 2005 - 04:17 PM |
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great dbjiang and judyzhou. I like both of ur words |
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yu888
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Joined: Jan 25, 2003
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Location: ZhongShanParkArea SH
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Feb 22, 2005 - 07:00 PM |
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| the first , and that's no joke, advise I got about driving here is : If you hit someone with a car and it doesn't look that good , fly back home as quick as you can.... |
I was told if it did not look good to put it in reverse...its cheaper that way. Not that I would, but there is defintiely something fcked up about that kind of system. |
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peining
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Feb 22, 2005 - 09:55 PM |
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agreeably, the traffic laws don't make sense. although that's never stopped any of these crazy drivers from nearly killing me every time i cross the street.
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| I was told if it did not look good to put it in reverse...its cheaper that way. Not that I would, but there is defintiely something fcked up about that kind of system. |
yea, right... you took him seriously? Q1: was it a chinese person or foreigner who told you this? Q2: how many typical chinese people can afford to own cars anyways?
fcked up ideas are in your mind. the chinese are not ignorant as you may choose to believe. |
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fukuman
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Joined: Sep 18, 2003
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Feb 23, 2005 - 12:05 AM |
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"Driving is also a good way to discover the stupidity of the civil engineers that designed the roads and the universities that trained them. One also gets to see the greed in the peasant locals when they hit your car because of their stupidity and then try to screw you for compensation because you are a foreigner and the stupid traffic law is on their side.
Do you people know that the law here requires that if a non motorised vehicle or pedestrian hits my car and they are at fault, I am required to pay them compensation? And if one of these idiots happens to kill themselves as an act of their stupidity, then I have to pay the family compensation of 20 years salary unless I can prove they intended to suicide? "
a friend who lived in the gansu, shanxi border area ( cant remmeber what u call it) told me old people deliberately go out to "meet a rich man" when a motorway was built through the area. they knew they were old and their kids were poor so couldnt marry, so every week they would go out to get killed by a bmw or audi. for the compensation |
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yu888
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Joined: Jan 25, 2003
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Location: ZhongShanParkArea SH
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Feb 24, 2005 - 09:03 AM |
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Actually the Chinese courts have effectively been ruling that the compensation in the case of a lost life in a traffic incident is still around 20-30krmb. Thus "putting it in reverse" to finsih the job woudl cost less than having to support a maimed accident victim. You don't think that is a bit fcked up? Of course most people do not think that way and most will not act upon it, but that system along withthe current laws making drivers at fault when non-motorised vehicles and peds hit a car. I understand the initial intent of the laws but it just is not the way to distribute the cost. |
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peining
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Joined: July 24, 2004
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Location: Shanghai
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Feb 24, 2005 - 10:34 AM |
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| Actually the Chinese courts have effectively been ruling that the compensation in the case of a lost life in a traffic incident is still around 20-30krmb. Thus "putting it in reverse" to finsih the job woudl cost less than having to support a maimed accident victim. |
What's **** up is your interpretation that the law encourages people to back up and finish the kill. that is the most sick and twisted interpretation i have ever heard of... the makers of that law probably weren't thinking there would be people so **** up as to have such thoughts. |
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Edgewood
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Joined: Jan 28, 2004
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Feb 24, 2005 - 11:54 AM |
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I know a bloke who was arrested and charged with a hit and run, here in Shanghai.
He didn't do it. He was at work at the time of incident, was witnessed to be there by dozens of colleagues, and his car was a different make, model, and colour to the one involved.
But... The Chinese[] policeman who witnessed the incident had written down the wrong licence plate number. And as we all know, no Chinese[] will ever lose face by admitting he/she has made a mistake. The courts, of course, will always support the Establishment against the people. And so this innocent bloke got well and truly screwed.
And there you have it: the Chinese[] Justice System. |
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Andreas
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Feb 24, 2005 - 12:02 PM |
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This law is not unique to China. There are countries in Europe which have similar laws, with the protection of pedestrians and cyclists in mind. The difference here in China is the big discrepancy in compensation to be paid for a fatal accident and maiming somebody. That is asking for trouble in my opinion and seems to be not very well thought out. |
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peining
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Feb 24, 2005 - 12:44 PM |
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The difference here in China is the big discrepancy in compensation to be paid for a fatal accident and maiming somebody. That is asking for trouble in my opinion and seems to be not very well thought out.
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it is only a problem when killing someone becomes the logical choice of action. this problem evolves around the mindset of individuals, not the making of laws. |
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Andreas
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Feb 24, 2005 - 01:33 PM |
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Read the last part of my post. That's where the law is wrong, and that's the point here and nothing else. |
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peining
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Feb 24, 2005 - 01:56 PM |
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Andreas, okay reading the thread again, perhaps we both agree. you're saying that the law isn't well thought-out enough to thoroughly protect people. and i'm saying that if we think that the 'big discrepancy in compensation' is justification to kill someone, then we're all a bit fcked up in the head... not just the chinese.
incidentally one of my friends works as a pediatrician at the emergency room of a major hospital in shanghai. last time, she mentioned how they had to amputate a boy's arm due to a car accident, and how the parents reacted. quite sad actually. |
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Andreas
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Feb 24, 2005 - 07:37 PM |
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Peining,
We meant the same but we said it in a different way. I't sad enough how many traffic accidents happen in China. Still a long way to go to improve that situation. They should start with traffic education in the primary schools, like in other places. It took a long time in Europe to make traffic safer, and starting to educate the children is a good start.
Plus a system of stiff traffic fines, and the willingness to enforce the law would go a long way. |
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Victorian
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Feb 25, 2005 - 12:31 AM |
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Take away the special power from all those who travel in cars with government number plate and road safety will be improved by a big margin. |
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