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Kiwi
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Feb 27, 2005 - 11:34 AM |
 
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A book in Chinese called “Shen Jing Pin Pan” (什錦拼盤) by food critic, Tang Lu Sun (唐魯孫) described the food scene of Taiwan in the introduction:
“… when he first arrived in Taiwan in 1946, there were very few decent restaurants in Taiwan… After 1949, people from all over China came to Taiwan and also brought the variety of food with them. First, it was the Cantonese style, then Si Chuan (四州), even the picked vegetables from Shan Xi (陝西). And Hu Nan (湖南), Yun Nan (云南), Hu Bei (湖北), and Jiang Nan (江南) food follows…It was a grand mix of traditional Chinese food in Taiwan…” |
Sorry so get somewhat off topic again, but types like Amega should at least be given the option of considering their views from a fresh perspective. Here is an interesting extract from "Formosa Betrayed":
"Members of the American Advisory Group became well known and very popular in the period October, 1945, through March, 1946. Americans spent freely, they were relaxed, and they were popular. Most of them had seen service for a time on mainland China. Here in Formosa were no signs saying "Yanks Go Home!" The greeting was usually "Hi, Joe!" Their duties were light, they were well housed, and there was ample time to fraternize in the excellent Taipei restaurants or at the hot springs in the hills."
And Amega, if you want to continue maintaining that Taiwan was a backwater in terms of cuisine and civilization, and was 'rescued' by the KMT bumpkin army, then perhaps we can have that discussion in another thread? |
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amega
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Feb 27, 2005 - 04:47 PM |
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What a bunch of Taiwan trash!
I got so sick of your discussion on how bad China /or Shanghai is, and how great Taiwan. If that’s case, why do you just pack your suitcase go back to Taiwan, or better go to Japan, and see how the Japanese welcome you!
Forty years ago, when I was in Taiwan, the most famous dish of Taiwan is “Chicken sit in the Water” which is cooking the whole chicken in the plain water. There was a tradition of dipping water melon in the salt and raw tomatoes in the soy sauce. Should we laugh at Taiwanese like you laugh at Shanghainese using vinegar? Damn it; do learn to respect the tradition and the culture of others!
No matter what, sit at other’s home, criticizing there food, their manners, their way of living, and laugh at them are not considered “good manner” in any culture. The People of Jiang Nan have enough patience with your garbage, but if you were in Hu Nan under Mao, you’ll get kick out at no time! |
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Kiwi
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Feb 27, 2005 - 09:48 PM |
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Amega. . .
I admit you have spoken a few sentences of sense. Unfortunately almost every one of your messages is also filled with patronizing calls for 'Chinese unity' (read Ugly Chinese Nationalism), and a general attitude of sh**ting all over the Taiwanese and anyone else who disagrees with you. You ask us to 'respect the cultures and traditions of others', but you have shown a complete inability to understand and respect the views of others. This suggests you are a person of limited intelligence.
I suggest (again) that you read "Formosa Betrayed", by George Kerr.
It is available on line. Here is the link:
http://www.pinyin.info/books/formosabetrayed/index.html
The book tells the story of how Taiwan was returned from Japan to China, and what a cock up that turned out to be.
The book does relate to our original topic. . . You claimed that Taiwan had 'no decent restaurants' before the Mainlanders arrived. But by reading this book you will see that, thanks to the Japanese (arigato guys!) Taiwan was more advanced in every way imaginable than any other province of China. Thus the suggestion that Taiwan had 'no decent restaurants' and the local cusine and manners (you did say 'manners') needed rescuing by an influx of bumpkin peasant soldiers seems a remarkably stupid one. |
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amega
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I’ve a Ph.D. Does it make me any less intelligent than you? I’d lived, studied, worked in Taiwan. I have Taiwanese friends, and still have relatives and friends living in Taiwan. You’ve read a book of an American author, and have heard from what your grandfather told you, who were likely a rich landlord from the south, lost his land under KMT’s land reform. And can you make any intelligent discussion without waving your flag and calling others stupid, and do you understand the real definition of stupidity?
Yes, Americans have said and wrote many things. There was even a writer claims that Taiwan should be a part of US as US had never formally handed Taiwan to China after the second war. But look at your Avatar, look at the mirror, your Chinese eyes are looking at you. No matter how you kowtow to Americans and Japanese, no matter how many kinds of blood streams you possess, it does not change the nature that you’re a Chinese everywhere you go. And Good4kicks does not even consider you an “EXPAT” in this EXPAT community.
Yes, Japanese had occupied Taiwan for over 50 years. They had made Taiwanese the third class citizen of their empire. You were not allowed to vote, had no political right, but “right” for compulsory military services for the Japanese army in the second war, fighting against Americans in the Pacific, your Chinese brotherhood in mainland. Under KMT, you became the first class citizen. Now under China, you’re in the special first class. With China opening up to the outside world, being know-how, you were in the first class of getting rich first.
It was unfortunate that China were closed to the outside world for over thirty years. The close-up had a lot to do with the humiliation China suffered in the last couple of centuries. But if China were opened up long ago, would there be an economical miracle of the same scale in Taiwan? You probably won’t be working in Shanghai, complaining about everything about Shanghai. The role could be reversed … |
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good4kicks
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That makes you worse than the local peasants like littlefox because you still regurgitate the same blind nationalistic garbage propaganda that they do, even though you claim to be educated. |
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frenchlover1999
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Feb 28, 2005 - 10:51 AM |
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Well said, Amega. I am a bit sick and tired to read those Taiwanese complaining about everything here and telling us how everything is better in Taiwan. Food is the most benign topic here. I like Taiwan, but the place strikes me mostly for its high level of corruption (far worse than in the mainland, but yes still much better than in India) and the generally low level of the population there (see TV shows, religious sects influent at all levels). Of course the political scene, which reflects the level of the population in general (some would day this is symptomatic of a young democracy), including the latest assassination attempt masquerade. The mainland population may not be better educated and it shares some of Taiwan problems (growing influence of sects is I believe the biggest danger) but at least the government is working on it. By the way, I actually started to think that good4kicks was himself from Taiwan. Isnt he? |
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Benoist_Shanghai
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Feb 28, 2005 - 12:33 PM |
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In my time, logical thinking was among the first steps before going for a PhD.
Amega, can you say again that Kiwi is Taiwanese and that thanks to "KMT, (you) became the first class citizen". Just for the fun of it.
Did I say KIWI? 
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Kiwi
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This 'discussion' is getting a bit silly. . . Some random points:
1 - Amega, in my humble opinion a PhD says little about a person's intelligence. I've met some extremely stupid PhDs, and some extremely intelligent people with little or education.
2 - Amega, I'm not Taiwanese or Chinese, so drop the patronizing and idiotic comments about "your Chinese eyes", and "your Chinese brotherhood in the Mainland". I a simply a westerner who has lived for a number of years in both the Mainland and Taiwan. I approached both places with a pretty open mind and formed my views accordingly. I am surprised I am having to tell you *again* that I am not Chinese. I said all this before. Your reading skills obviously aren't that great.
3 - Amega, your knowledge of Taiwanese history is rather eratic. You seem to have got that knowledge from swallowing a large dose of CCP and KMT propaganda. A few facts for you:
- The KMT did not come accross the Taiwan strait and raise the Taiwanese to the status of first class citizens. While the Taiwanese were eager to be free of Japanese rule, unfortunately they found that KMT rule was even worse. Why don't you open your eyes and read the book I suggested above? It is available online for free. You sneeringly note that is written by an American. But if you really believe that a book by an American about Taiwan is necessarily biased, then I can only repeat that you are a very unintelligent person.
- The real 'economic miracle' in Taiwan in my opinion is the overlooked economic miracle achieved by the Japanese. Taiwan in the 1940s was light years ahead of the Mainland. 50 years of Japanese rule achieved some wonderful things. The economy took a giant step backwards with the arrival of the KMT (read the book I suggested). It later recovered after the KMT lost the civil war and came to see Taiwan as their new home rather than a 'border province' to be exploited.
4 - Frenchlover, I would suggest that you drop the silly attitude of being 'sick of Taiwanese complaining'. I am not sure we have even had a Taiwanese participant in this discussion so far. I am not Taiwanese. Some quick points:
- Corruption in Taiwan is "far worse than the Mainland"? You must surely be joking! Taiwan has its problems in this area, but lets not get them out of perspective.
- "low level of the population"??? Not sure what you mean. I find them far friendlier, more honest and less grasping than the Mainlanders. The problems you mention like religious sects are surely a greater problem here? I never saw weird religious sects as a large or growing feature of Taiwanese life.
- The political scene? I find Taiwan's democracy most encouraging. It gets a little extreme at times, but people's enthusiasm for it is great. After hundreds of years of oppression by the Qing, Japan, and the KMT, Taiwanese people have finally got the opportunity to choose their own leaders. Mock that if you will, but why? The fact that you believe that last year's assasination was definitely faked marks you (in my view) as a simpleton. I think you just swallow too much of what your Taiwanese (pan-blue) friends tell you. I had my suspicious about the whole thing, but after going over every aspect I find it hard to believe it was a set up. I wrote about this on the site last year, do a search to see what I wrote.
A key point is that there is simply no evidence that the assasination caused a sympathy vote for Chen. The allegations that the assasination stopped military from getting to the polls are also untrue, and military participation in that election was actually *higher* than in any previou election. All polls showed he was steadily building up support in the lead up to the election anyway. In that situation why fake this kind of thing?
The KMT are simply masters are grandstanding and generally being sore losers.
- I agree the Taiwan government sometimes disappoints. But I feel it is gradually improving. For the Taiwanese people it is surely better to have an imperfect democracy than an efficient dictatorship. As an outsider to deny them that seems rather churlish. |
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Kiwi
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And overall I am just sick of hearing ignorant Mainlanders and their views on Taiwan.
Just this evening I was getting a haircut and this young prat from Anhui starts giving me the lecture on Taiwan.
"Taiwan must come back to China!" he says.
"I hate Taiwanese businessmen. . . I hate them even more than Japanese!" he continues. . .
I ask him why China needs Taiwan to come back if the local population hate them so much.
"Because the government says so!" is the predictable reply.
He then continues: "Actually, it isn't important for the country whether they come back of not. Taiwan hasn't made any contribution to the Mainland economy. Taiwan needs the Mainland to help its economy, but the Mainland doesn't need Taiwan".
Kind of amazing that somebody living in the Zhejiang delta region could consider Taiwanese investment an irrelevancy, but never mind. . .
I suggest to him that if the Mainland doesn't need Taiwan then they could just forget about Taiwan and let the Taiwanese live their lives unmolested. But of course he doesn't really get that. .
Still, the poor bastard had just broken up with his Shanghaiese girlfriend who had spent every spare penny of his 4k/month salary for the past four years, and then unceremoniously dumped him for a guy with a 5k/month salary. So I guess he had every right to be a bit pissed. |
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Kiwi
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| But look at your Avatar, look at the mirror, your Chinese eyes are looking at you. No matter how you kowtow to Americans and Japanese, no matter how many kinds of blood streams you possess, it does not change the nature that you’re a Chinese everywhere you go. And Good4kicks does not even consider you an “EXPAT” in this EXPAT community. |
This slightly misdirected nationalistic rant from our resident PhD is so priceless. . . I'm going to have to frame it and put it up on the wall or something.
30 years in North America and she can still write like this.
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amega
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| “That makes you worse than the local peasants like littlefox because you still regurgitate the same blind nationalistic garbage propaganda that they do, even though you claim to be educated.” |
Hello Good4kicks,
There is nothing wrong being patriotic, or being nationalist. You, the Americans, the British, the Aussies, are doing the same. It’s only when it’s come from a country that is dared to be different from yours, and then you claim it’s the garbage!
For a country as vast and as populous as China, we need the spirit of patriotism to unite us.
In American, they’re united under “God”.
In China, we’re united under “China”, different pronunciation, same meaning!
I know you don’t like my country and its people. But this country has the world’s longest and continuous civilization. My people are poor than yours, they couldn’t afford shower everyday; Some of them may have to spit on the ground as they may not be able to afford to use tissues or napkins. But they’ve survived. They have survived invasions, Long March (I believe no shower was taken during the March), the Culture Revolution, and the SARS. Please don’t blame Chinese being too patriotic. When surviving is at stake, you’ll do the same.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/FL07Aa01.html
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| “Amega, can you say again that Kiwi is Taiwanese and that thanks to "KMT, (you) became the first class citizen". Just for the fun of it.” |
I was on the KMT’s black list, almost a political prisoner under KMT. Does it make me any more first class than Kiwi’s grandfather in Taiwan?
KMT had made many mistakes in Mainland China. But it has done many good to Taiwan. It has set up proper policies stimulating the economy in Taiwan. It gave the democracy back to Taiwanese people (believe me, it does not have to). Yes, it had brought over three millions of mainlanders to Taiwan. But not all the three millions are soldiers as KIWI claimed. Many of them had wealth and skills (at the great exodus of 1949, only rich ones could afford the tickets to Taiwan. Of course, the exceptions were soldiers and KMT officials). Denying these mainlanders’ contribution to the Taiwan society is like denying the contribution of Taiwanese to the mainland economy today.
We’re brothers, roots back to only three or four hundred years ago. Our feud is family feud. Don’t add oil to the fire. It became ridiculous with outsiders like Good4kicks blew in air. Remember China’s problems were always the polarization of rich and poor. That’s why we had revolutions and that’s why KMT had to have land reform in Taiwan under extreme difficulty time. It caused a lot of conflicts with Taiwan’s rich landlords; many of them are currently in power. It also did not help when those wealthy ones from mainland in 1949 (unfortunately, many of them Shanghainese), had looked down on the local Taiwanese (At that time, Taiwanese were poor and mainlanders had money. The fortune reversed when the value of lands owned by Taiwanese appreciated. It may also be interesting for you to know that before 1949, Shanghai along the Nan Jing Road already had four department stores while Taiwan did not have one till the 60’s).
Now History has reversed, Shanghainese are poor while Taiwanese are rich, rich enough to invest in China, go to the expensive restaurants, complaining like many Shanghainese did back in Taiwan in 1949. You may feel great to be rich, but populations everywhere do not like those rich ones. So be humble a bit, be nice to the locals, respecting their culture and their tradition no matter how stupidity they looked to you. Like Mao had said, a tiny fire can burn out of hand. So look at the big picture, and don’t let that tiny fire burned you out of China.
Being a Kiwi, I believe you may have from New Zealand or Australia, but definitely have Chinese blood. Living overseas for so many years, I have seen so many Chinese kids, American born, Canadian born, struggle with their identities. The sad facts are, no matter how many passports they possess, they just can’t get away being a Chinese. I have found the happiest kids are the ones proud of their heritages. And the most confident ones are those who can combine the best of the East and the West culture.
And China will always be our motherland …
P.S. Sorry, This is my final debate on this forum. I’ll no longer participate in any further discussion on Taiwanese or Shanghainese food, which one is better. To me, they’re irrelevant. |
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Benoist_Shanghai
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Oh My... you didnt get it huh...
Pathetic.
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Kiwi
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Amega (or should I say Amoeba? - You are displaying the intelligence of a single celled organism), I am NOT Chinese. I am NOT Taiwanese. I am from New Zealand, with English and Irish ancestry. I HAVE NO CHINESE BLOOD. Your lectures about 'Chinese brotherhood' sound awfully stupid.
I am telling you for the third time now that I am not Chinese. Can you not read? One wonders how you got that PhD, no?
Like many ignorant arrogant Mainlanders you insist in seeing Taiwan as a backward province that was 'saved' from Japan (and no doubt from itself) by Mainland intervension. The reality was a little different. Hey, why not read about it?
http://www.pinyin.info/books/formosabetrayed/index.html
The above is not a work of progpoganda, just an honest account by an American working in the US government who was in Taiwan during many of the events he describes.
You believe the KMT did alot of good for Taiwan? Yeah, but only after first systematically destroying the prosperous local economy (the nation's industrial plant was literally stripped and sold in Shanghai as scrap metal - what a colossal waste!).
Taiwan was far more advanced than any province in China when the KMT arrived there. Contrary to your claim Taipei did in fact have department stores (sorry, not sure of the number though).
* An interesting little anecdote. . . The first KMT soldiers to arrive in Taipei made quite a nuisance of themselves for the first week or two. Rather than do their duties they preferred to crowd the ground floor of the Japanese department store gawking at the elevators and generally getting in the way. These countryside bumpkins had clearly never seen something as miraculous as an elevator before.
** Regarding your comments on elevators in Shanghai. . . Do you really think that comparing a foreign concession, and the only remotely modern city in China at the time, 'proves' anything about the relative levels of development of Taiwan and the Mainland in the 1940s? The comparison doesn't stand up - sorry.
How about these facts:
Taiwan had adult literacy of 80% in the 1940s. Now what would the comparable figure be for the Mainland at that time? I would suggest 10% would be a pretty generous figure.
Or we could mention sugar? Under the Japanese Taiwan had built up a massive sugar industry. During the first few years of KMT rule production rapidly fell back to 1895 levels!
Taiwan had various other industries. . . For example the largest industrial alcohol plant in Asia at the time was located in Jiayi. The KMT arrived, and decided they would seek short term profit by selling the machinery for scrap, and then sacked the entire workforce of 5000. Wow! I'll bet that helped the economy!
I could go on, but you simply won't get it will you?
The KMT attrocities in Taiwan folloign the 228 Incident were compared by one (Mainland) Chinese eyewiteness to the Rape of Nanking. Yeah, that's right. . . The Rape of Nanking, the great rallying call for Chinese Nationalists like yourself. . . But the Mainlanders conducted their own 'Rape of Nanking' on Taiwan.
To me the story of the return of Taiwan to KMT control demonstrates what a backward lot the Mainlanders were at the conclusion of the civil war, and how advanced the Taiwanese were. |
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Some questions:
1. Why is this thread in the pit?
2. Why does Amega call China "her country" and Chinese "her people"? Doesn't Amega have a Canadian passport already? Shouldn't Agema call Canada "her country" and Canadian "her people"?
3. Why did this Anhui guy Kiwi met sound exactly like my colleagues and my friends? My colleague even talks about HK like that -- "mainland does not need HK, HK needs mainland, etc. etc." |
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frenchlover1999
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Wow Cactus I am impressed how much you know of other posters here. I wonder how much you know about me?! |
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frenchlover1999
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See Cactus, I have also switched to a bearded avatar like yours. However mine doesnt look like a famous football player. |
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cactus
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| frenchlover1999 wrote: |
| I wonder how much you know about me?! |
Almost nothing... Dare to tell??  |
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cactus
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| See Cactus, I have also switched to a bearded avatar like yours. |
Be original!! |
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Edgewood
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Kiwi, keep up the good work. Not for the benefit of Amoeba and merde, but for the benefit of the rest of us - who actually do, in fact, enjoy reading your posts. |
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I find the whole phenomenon of how Mainlanders simultaneously covet and despise Taiwan (and HK) rather interesting. It really is odd.
Views? |
I think that Mainlanders find it hard to digest that China would still be in the dark ages without the massive investments of Taiwan, Hong Kong, and not to forget Japan. It's this "face" thingy again.
Plus it must be buggering some of them that the people of Taiwan and Hong Kong have achieved a level of civilization and standard of living, which for a lot of Mainlanders is still very far away.
And then there are of course those who simply parrot what the brianwashers in Beijing are telling them.
And yes, it is strange that this interesting thread ended up in the Pit. This Merde is dumping all over the board, being one of the resident village idiots here, so that can't be the reason. |
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AMEGA FOR PRESIDENT!! |
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What a bunch of Taiwan trash!
I got so sick of your discussion on how bad China /or Shanghai is, and how great Taiwan. If that’s case, why do you just pack your suitcase go back to Taiwan, or better go to Japan, and see how the Japanese welcome you!
Forty years ago, when I was in Taiwan, the most famous dish of Taiwan is “Chicken sit in the Water” which is cooking the whole chicken in the plain water. There was a tradition of dipping water melon in the salt and raw tomatoes in the soy sauce. Should we laugh at Taiwanese like you laugh at Shanghainese using vinegar? Damn it; do learn to respect the tradition and the culture of others!
No matter what, sit at other’s home, criticizing there food, their manners, their way of living, and laugh at them are not considered “good manner” in any culture. The People of Jiang Nan have enough patience with your garbage, but if you were in Hu Nan under Mao, you’ll get kick out at no time! |
HAHAH!! YOU GOOOOO MAN!!! THIS IS SUCH OLD TOPIC. TAIWAN AND CHINA , CHINA AND TAIWAN.. WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE??? DAMN!!! WHAT'S UP WITH THOSE TAIWANESE??? WE ARE FREAKING SAME NATIONALITY, WE USE THE SAME FREAKING LANGUAGE AND DIALECT.. OY!!! GET A GRIP!!! I SUPPORT YOU MAN!!.. |
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Edgewood
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HAHAH!! YOU GOOOOO MAN!!! THIS IS SUCH OLD TOPIC. US AND BRITAIN, BRITAIN AND US. WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE??? DAMN!!! WHAT'S UP WITH THOSE AMERICANS??? WE ARE FREAKING SAME NATIONALITY, WE USE THE SAME FREAKING LANGUAGE AND DIALECT.. OY!!! GET A GRIP!!! I SUPPORT YOU MAN!!..
Silly, isn't it? |
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HAHAH!! YOU GOOOOO MAN!!! THIS IS SUCH OLD TOPIC. US AND BRITAIN, BRITAIN AND US. WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE??? DAMN!!! WHAT'S UP WITH THOSE AMERICANS??? WE ARE FREAKING SAME NATIONALITY, WE USE THE SAME FREAKING LANGUAGE AND DIALECT.. OY!!! GET A GRIP!!! I SUPPORT YOU MAN!!..
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hehe.. it is silly indeed. We should be more united rather then splitting up and create problems for each other.. |
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