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RANGERS chief David Murray has launched a blistering condemnation of the bigoted elements within the club's support.
It comes as he launched two new 10-point codes of conduct which he hopes will stamp out sectarianism both inside and outside Ibrox.
Mr Murray warned there was no longer a place at Ibrox for what he emotively called "the FTP brigade and those who would have us wading through Fenian blood."
In a revealing interview he also attacks the makers of the recent Panorama documentary on sectarianism, accusing them of being "blinkered".
The Rangers chairman's outburst comes more than a fortnight after the BBC screened the programme billed as an expose of Scotland's Secret Shame.
It was shown just a fortnight after Jack McConnell's historic summit aimed at finding a way to tackle sectarianism in Scotland.
The Panorama team focused almost exclusively on the problem as exists within support for both Celtic and Rangers.
It has already been condemned by council and tourism chiefs of insulting Glasgow's citizens.
Now Mr Murray, who appeared ill at ease on the programme, has laid out two separate 10-point codes of conduct to help eradicate the problem of sectarianism within the Rangers support.
He said the "baggage of foul singing", such as those against the Pope and Catholics, was a problem for everyone associated with the club and that the time had come to get rid of it.
Speaking to the club's magazine the Rangers News, multi-millionaire Murray has accused the BBC of "missing a massive opportunity to help change minds and offer solutions".
He also also accuses Panorama of ignoring virtually all his answers and of making Old Firm managers Alex McLeish and Martin O'Neill look as if they cared little about the subject.
But he acknowledged the club still had work to do in wiping out sectarianism amongst its fan base.
Mr Murray said: "We have a proud history and heritage but this is not what gets us into trouble. It is the baggage of foul singing and sectarian references during and at the end of traditional songs which causes me and everyone at this club a problem.
"We can't defend that and we must get rid of it. There is simply no place at Ibrox any longer for the FTP brigade and those who would have us wading through Fenian blood.
"It was confirmed at the recent First Minister's summit on sectarianism there was little to be gained from dredging up the past and it was also agreed sectarianism is endemic in Scottish society.
"However, the makers of Panorama chose to make a film about sectarianism attached to the Old Firm, effectively blaming Rangers and Celtic for bigotry in this country rather than ana- lysing society in Scotland today.
"Panorama filmed in a hospital, giving the distinct impression these incidents happen only as a direct result of the Old Firm match. This is simply not true. Unfortunately there are casualties every day of the week."
He added: "I've come up with two 10-point plans, one for internal and one for external use."
Mr Murray's comments on the Panorama programme were recently echoed in a statement by Old Firm rivals Celtic.
The statement said: "It is disappointing a programme we were assured would cover the issue of sectarianism in Scotland should choose to focus instead on the much narrower question of the role of Celtic and Rangers."
Colin Glass, of supporters lobby group the Rangers Trust, today described Mr Murray's comments as "well intentioned" but said the sectarian problem was not as severe as is often made out.
He said: "I can see why he has launched these codes of conduct but I fear they could be open to ambiguity.
"Sectarianism isn't something we deny or ignore but it isn't on our radar as much as had been made out by Panorama."
A Celtic spokesman said the club was "actively discussing ways" to tackle sectarianism.
He said: "There is an on-going process of initiatives to tackle issues related to sectarianism. Great strides have been taken and the way to continue this is being actively discussed within Celtic." |
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Mar 16, 2005 - 11:37 PM |
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jamiejah
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Mar 17, 2005 - 07:06 AM |
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Ibrox, isn't that a type of cow? |
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Mar 17, 2005 - 09:23 AM |
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What's green-white and funny ?
A busload of Celtic Fans going over a cliff
What's the difference between Celtic and a three pin plug ?
They're both absolutely useless in Europe
What's the difference between a busload of Celtic Fans and a hedgehog ?
On the hedgehog, the pricks are on the outside |
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Mar 17, 2005 - 09:28 AM |
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Mar 17, 2005 - 09:30 AM |
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you heard that when you buy a season ticket for celtic next season you get a free space suit ?
Appearantly it's because of the lack of atmosphere there |
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Mar 17, 2005 - 09:34 AM |
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Yeah, I hate it when the Boston Celtics piss off the New York Rangers. |
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Mar 17, 2005 - 09:41 AM |
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Martin O'Neil got caught speeding...When stopped by the police he said :"I'd do anything for 3 points"
Martin O'Neil turned up as a Pumpkin on a Halloween Party...Come midnight he still hadn't turned into a coach |
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Mar 17, 2005 - 10:15 AM |
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Why do Celtic Fans whistle whilst taking a dump ?
So they know which end to wipe |
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A primary teacher explains to her class that she is a Celtic fan. She asks her students to raise their hands if they, too, are Celtic fans. Everyone in the class raises their hand except one little boy. The teacher looks at the boy with surprise and says, "GlasgowCraig, why didn't you raise your hand?" "Because I'm not a Celtic fan," he replied. The teacher, still shocked, asked, "Well, if you are not a Celtic fan, then who are you a fan of?" "I am an Rangers fan, and proud of it," GlasgowCraig replied. The teacher could not believe her ears. "GlasgowCraig, why, pray tell, are you an Rangers fan?” the boy replied "Because my mum is an Rangers fan, and my dad is Rangers fan, so I'm an Rangers fan too!" "Well," said the teacher in a obviously annoyed tone, "that is no reason for you to be an Rangers fan. You don't have to be just like your parents all of the time. What if your mum was a prostitute and your dad was a drug addict, what would you be then?" "Then," GlasgowCraig smiled, "I'd be a Celtic fan." |
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An Rangers fan having a quiet drink in a bar, leans over to the big guy next to him and says: "Do you want to hear a Celtic joke?"
The big guy replies: "Well, mate, before you tell that joke, you should know something. I'm six feet tall, 15 stone and I am a season ticket holder at Parkhead. The guy sitting next to me is 6"2", weighs 17 stone and is a member of the bhoys. Next to him is a bloke who's 6"5", weighs 20 stone and he's with the knights of st. columba. Now, do you still want to tell that Celtic joke?"
The Rangers fan says: "Nah, not if I'm going to have to explain it three times." |
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A man goes to Glasgow airport and eventually goes into the departure lounge to wait for the call for his flight home. The place is a mess. All around him are overturned tables, smashed windows, upturned chairs, broken flight monitors and crowd control barriers littering the floor. "Christ, what happened here?" he asks one of the ground crew. "Oh," he replies. "Bloody hopeless it was, we had the Celtic squad in here this morning filming the new Nike ad!" |
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Mar 17, 2005 - 10:39 AM |
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Bobo Balde and Stilian Petrov are sitting in a pub and there's a cat on the table...One man comes in, picks the cat up and looks under it. another man comes in and dose the same. Bobo says the next man to do that im going to ask them why. So the next man comes in picks the cat up and looks under it, Bobo says why did u just do that. he replies A MAN OUTSIDE TOLD ME THERE WAS A CAT IN HERE WITH TWO AR**HO*** |
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Mar 17, 2005 - 10:42 AM |
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The Scottish Post Office just recalled their latest stamps...
They put images of Celtic Players on them and people did not know which side to spit on |
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jamiejah
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Mar 17, 2005 - 01:43 PM |
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well fiddler my man ops sir fiddler it,s 2 .00 in the afternoon,and i,m having a cup o coffee to try and wake up after statying up all night to listen to the celts defeat a stuffy inverness in windy conditions.
sun is streaming through the window ,the sound of the basketball ,hitting the tarmac,and me pissing myself laughing with yer humour,or should i say the ones you got from the internet.
I merely put this on as a favour to people who want to read thew Scottish papers,as a topic,people are asking ,it,s about time,as murray ,has been silent for too long,and i would think and hope that any honest citizen would applaud his statements,celtic supporters excluded,because they,re too busy walling in their self importance,but hey its st pats day
a cat with 2 arse holes frecking ace!! |
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SirFiddler
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Mar 17, 2005 - 01:48 PM |
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funnily enough i was googeling rangers jokes and just edited them...
the bliss of modern technology
impressing 2-0 away that was, right 
dont you fink it's about time to come around to shanghai ? you and teh missus can lodge in my house, but promise you wont steal the hubcabs of my car, ay ! |
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hears todays glasgow herald
WHEN David Murray yesterday issued his long and impressive condemnation of the bigotry which surrounds Rangers, the first response was unavoidable. Why has it taken him so long?
Those of us who have been banging on relentlessly about bigotry at Ibrox have sometimes been caricatured as fantasists or writers of fiction. In the past, Murray, the club chairman, has aimed both barrels at those who condemned the matchday atmosphere at Ibrox, yet here he is now talking in unambiguous language about the very issue.
Murray spoke yesterday of the embarrassing, insulting and offensive nature of much of the singing by Rangers fans. Referring to some of the club's supporters, he used the word "sectarian" or "sectarianism" no fewer than 18 times. "We cannot defend it, we must get rid of it," he said.
You could argue that his statement was a result of him finally being goaded into action by the ongoing fallout from the recent Panorama programme. Murray's motivation, though, is not important. Instead, the chairman, who has taken editorial kickings in those rare newspaper spaces where he doesn't operate his Winalot biscuits scheme, deserves praise for issuing such a robust condemnation of bigotry.
Doubtless, Panorama has spurred Murray into action. Doubtless also, yesterday's articulate polemic is not precisely Murray's own work, but instead, that of someone who has pushed for Rangers to come clean about their bigotry problem, and gained the chairman's approval.
There is one group of Rangers supporters who will be mightily relieved: that large, decent cross-section of fans who are constantly embarrassed by the backward mobs around them.
Murray's statement was startling in its blunt, vivid tone. It also finally explodes the myth – was it a myth? – that Murray himself was in denial about the problem at Rangers. Evidently, when some of us were decrying the medieval chanting at Ibrox, Murray was castigating us one moment while quietly agreeing the next.
Murray's statement is astonishingly bold. In evidence, permit me to highlight four of its points.
Murray says he wants to "encourage [Rangers] fans to sing songs without any additional sectarian lyrics." He adds that there is "no place at Ibrox any longer for the FTP [F*** The Pope] brigade or those who would have us wading through Fenian blood".
Murray also says that within the coming weeks "all Rangers staff will attend a workshop on sectarianism".
Murray then clarifies that, thus far, 14 people are serving lifetime bans from Ibrox, on top of 288 indefinite bans, as well as "hundreds more" who have been warned. So, by Murray's arithmetic, at least 500 Rangers supporters are banned, or disciplined, or on a warning for their behaviour.
Murray also says Rangers have established a "Bigger than Bigotry" campaign; that the club is going to make weekly public address announcements "condemning sectarianism"; and that he wants decent supporters to "advise club stewards" about fans who are witnessed expressing prejudice.
You'll forgive me for reaching only one conclusion. After all this, I take it Mr Murray agrees with me, then . . . that there is a significant bigotry problem at Ibrox?
There is a certain courage about Murray's stance because he knows that the many thousands of Rangers supporters who enjoy chanting F*** The Pope will be in uproar at his statement. The problem Murray faces is in distinguishing between those legions of decent Rangers supporters, whose allegiance is total and passionate, and the other uneducated, unintelligent creatures who repeatedly embarrass the club.
Celtic's supporters, with their sectarian and political baggage, can hardly crow over the Rangers chairman issuing such a vehement condemnation of his fans. Years ago, however, Murray scoffed at Fergus McCann's Bhoys Against Bigotry campaign, claiming it was posturing.
Murray has changed his mind about that. Evidently, he now thinks a certain posturing in public has some merit. And while I don't often say this, I admire Murray for it. |
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SirFiddler
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Mar 17, 2005 - 01:57 PM |
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And another question just out of curiosity : With all the complaining about the rangers fans and their attitude during games, seriously, don
t they get abuse the other way around when they travel to parkhead ? |
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jamiejah
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is there any meat on these hubcats as i,m a vegetarian and ye show much msg in in them
wow you are a dandy!! a car in shanghai
aye i might take you up on the offer in the next few weeks,the missus sister is flying in fi nagoya,so whilst they,re oot and aboot shopping in shanghai,i,m on my own, so thats aroond the start o the month i think,so i,ll think abbot it and you like wise, as you probably know i,m a bit of a hermit,s hermit and a unsocaible we ****,so be it on yer head,
last night it was jock brron and mark hately commentating,can u imagine the enthuiasm that pair conjured up |
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jamiejah
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Mar 17, 2005 - 02:09 PM |
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ok ,i,ve got massive knowledge o parkheid as i have been there once in the past 25 years,so i know what i am talking about.,
ibrox i have never been too,and funny enough even as a boy,i had no inclination to go there what so ever
ok at parkheid,there is zeo tolerance to any singing of secretarian singing
there is a small core of the away support who still sing their rebel songs..Parkheid issued a statement saying it was outside their control
bullfeces,they also know who the away fans are ,ban them pure and
simple
ibrox,myebe other members could comment,but on any one who has listened to a rangers game from ibrox,so thats every week on radio scotland,the ibrox sound system is full o songs of hatred and secretion manner,so the accusation ,which in my eyes and others ,where they were activealey encouraging the bigots and the ignorant in the name of history.
celtic and rangers is only a tiny part of the problem,which the muck the scottish media like to focus on,there are much bigger issues involved,thats what panorama a so called open intelligent,news programe never diss cussed. |
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SirFiddler
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i bet the bhoys wont sing f the pope but what i meant is, i bet they have their anti protestant songs , too , dont they ? |
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they do sing a song the boys o the 3rd brigade,i certainly don,t know the words and it certainly does not get sung at parkheid
listen
a fact that is often lost
,celtic was founded by a catholic priest
fact
from day 1 celtic was open to all faiths
,**** they even had a hindoo playing for them
,in his bare feet
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at parkheid,celtic supporters sing the irish national anthem,like what was sung at the england ireland rugby game,but panaroma wanted to turn the national anthem into a secretarian chant
when i was a boy,yes i sung songs in support of the Ira and its heroes,but the days of supporting the ira are long gone
so to answer your question,i really do not think that celtic supporters sing anti prodestant songs anymore at parkheid,the ones who do at the away grounds ,just bring shame on the club,and show complete dishonour to some of the great celtic players and managers off the past, such as well documented,joCK STEIN.KENNY DALGLEISH,DANNY MCGRAIN,to mention just a few,who were not born of catholic blood,myself included |
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i always find it a shame that stuff like that has to be carried to the football pitches ...guys should slam their pissed heads in because of a late goal in the 90th minute that costs the league title okay, but not about what confession or race the opposite team is...
anyways, cheers for explaining , as you can imagine i never get the truth out of another member of this website |
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jamiejah
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i never understood it myself
as a boy i only wanted to play for scotland,ist celtic 2nd
we wanted to play football ,thats it
but when rangers came to watch us,and we were the scottish champoins for 5 years,we stopped playing
now,
i went to a scotland/england game,132,000 or something like that,
there was no england end,it was all scots
everywhere
but yes i was in the traditional celtic end
nae cover
what does that tell you?
anyway
i was just a young lad of 18 19 i was totally sickened by the amount of abuse towards the english
ok,another point was i was on a comedown from an all -night amphetamine induced soul dance
but come down or not
i was at a football match
whats bannockburn,calloden ,got to do with fitba
ok alan ball was a wee wanker,emilyn hughes(rip) did get on yer tits ,but hey he was a fitba player threw and threw |
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