demonstrations in shanghai, Apr 16th
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she
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Apr 18, 2005 - 09:21 AM |
 
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anti-Japanese prοtests
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http://www.yuyong.net/
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commando
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Apr 18, 2005 - 09:23 AM |
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Isn't that impressive.
NOT. |
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BaDaXianRen
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Apr 18, 2005 - 09:47 AM |
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baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh |
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Ozzie
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Apr 18, 2005 - 09:58 AM |
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She - you poor little victimized sole. How dare those Japanese change their text books to conveniently forget about what happened many years ago... I feel so sorry for you and your poor victimized people.
HANG ON - Deja Vu........ China, Text books, forget history, Tiannemen (spell?) famines......
It is this sort of crap from you SHE that gives the local people on this site a very bad image. WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM THE EXPATS? Sympathy? Friggin hell, ask any Jewish victims or American Indians or Indigenous Australians or others groups what the hell they went through. They have learned in some way to forgive. They also are not bloody hyporcrites when it comes to history like every single person educated in this country is. I actually don't blame you for that, I really do feel sorry that you have had the wool pulled over your eyes and you really do believe what you have been taught.
You poor little sole. |
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she
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Apr 18, 2005 - 10:11 AM |
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I don't judge. It's just what happened on Sat. Shanghai open chat here, isn't it?
Ozzie:
I think you mentioned too much & overacted what probably reminds people of more things. |
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frenchlover1999
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Apr 18, 2005 - 10:12 AM |
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Friggin hell, ask any Jewish victims or American Indians or Indigenous Australians or others groups what the hell they went through. They have learned in some way to forgive.
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I intended to retire from this board for a while, but this one made me fall from my chair. Indians? Aboriginals? In their case, I guess the "in some way" is the key word. As for the Jews... Either you are really not well informed or you are a Master Propagandist. |
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BaDaXianRen
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Apr 18, 2005 - 10:18 AM |
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Frenchlover YOu honestly have to be the stupidest person on this site. You can blab on for hours and really say nothing.
your general pat answer for everything is that it is "propoganda" or that someone is deluded and needs to "travel more".
Why not do us a favor and make a point for once in your life. The audience here has a higher attention span than your other disscusion partners in the brothels of pattaya and angeles city, so you are going to have to start backing up your BS.
Why not inform us? |
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lucar
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Apr 18, 2005 - 10:34 AM |
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^I have to agree with you there BDXR. |
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bleucheese
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Apr 18, 2005 - 10:54 AM |
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| I intended to retire from this board for a while, but this one made me fall from my chair. Indians? Aboriginals? In their case, I guess the "in some way" is the key word. As for the Jews... Either you are really not well informed or you are a Master Propagandist. |
I think theres a fine line there between stupidity and insanity. And I still havent figured out which side of the line you and your wacked out ideas emanate from.
It could be a lack of brain cells or a lack of lithium. Sometimes you start out sounding coherent and lucid but then you just trial off into loony land. Conspiracies....jews....gays.... do us a favor and take your medicine already. |
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frenchlover1999
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Apr 18, 2005 - 12:12 PM |
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Ok fair enough. You say the Indians and Aboriginals have forgiven their past oppressors. I guess you mean the few remaining ones, who are not living in poverty in special reserves, are not actively seeking compensation or apologies. You may be right about that. As for the Jews... The holocaust has been used to excuse whatever crimes Israel has ever committed, including the illegal establishment and expansion of new state in Palestine, etc. They have hunted and prosecuted nazi criminals all over the world for decades. And if you live in Europe, you know that government leaders, not only the Germans but other countries as well, must pay their respect and apologize repeatedly every year, years after years, celebrations and anniversaries. If Japan would do one tenth of what the Germans, and Europeans in general, are doing in terms of apologies... So dont tell us the Chinese should learn to forgive like the Jews did! It is a historical nonsense. As for propaganda in general, and the anti-japanese demo in particular, most of you here still think the government is behind this. They are bad commies after all and you assume whoever wants to replace them are freedom-loving democrats. You are either mistaken or relaying other people's propaganda. I have elaborated on that in other threads. |
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Magnolia
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Apr 18, 2005 - 12:17 PM |
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I am aware of the apologies governments make towards Jewish people, but my question is if such apologies are demanded by Jewish groups or if the governments take the initiative on their own? Never really thought about it before... |
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Andreas
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Apr 18, 2005 - 12:29 PM |
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The halfwits and idiots march, the government looks the other way, exploiting nationalism to distract from internal problems. Germany 1933, then the Olympics in 1936. History is fascinating. |
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jamiejah
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Apr 18, 2005 - 12:38 PM |
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frenchlover1999
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Apr 18, 2005 - 01:05 PM |
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Andreas makes an excellent comparison, although I suspect it may be unintended:
Yes the halfwits and idiots marching (i.e. the various influence groups behind them: no, halfwits and students won't start such an organized process by themselves) intend to take power. Those same groups are widely supported in the West, but they are not enlightened democrats as we are often led to believe. Look at most of the so-called dissidents who escaped to the US, what are their ambitions, their motivations. You will often find them to be among the worst racists and narrow-minded people... It is not uncommon for the West to support such groups, only to regret later (see our friend CIA-sponsored Bin Laden, who fought for freedom against the bad Soviets). It is understandable as the priority is to get rid of the last bastion of communism. We can deal with unforeseeable future problems later.
Back to Andreas point. If the coalition of sects, "democratic" parties, and other groups of influence involved in this finally win, we are likely to get an extremist government, combined with some form of free(-for-all) market, and a battleground for all kind of esoteric religions. This government will be left to manage the world's largest country, with its numerous problems. They will be totally unequipped to deal with any of them, and will most likely have to resort to distractions - nationalistic anti-japanese craze being a very good one. But the communist party will be down, all right, and most of the international idiots will appaude. Interestign background for the 2008 Olympics, in the form of an international celebration of Freedom, the final end of Communism (Cuba and DPRK may not exist by then).
None of this will happen. The government will finally wake up (most of the lowest levels are infiltrated by the "groups" which considerably slows down government reaction, as we have seen with the demonstrations) and crack down on this. The later they wake up, the bloodiest and sadest it is going to be. Getting rid of the cell organizations is extremely difficult, but could be done. Maybe it will take 10-20 years or so. |
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lemongrass
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Apr 18, 2005 - 01:06 PM |
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Why are people supposed to have the power to FORGIVE when they can not get the open announcement for a formal apology that they deserve to have? There is no doubt that forgiving is great but that could be a lame excuse to try to avoid all the conflicts between China and Japanese. Ok, Chinese should forgive while seeing Japanese prime minister prays at the Yasukuni Shrine on a regular basis, Chinese should forgive while Japanese trends not to reveal the history in their textbook, Chinese should forgive while the appeal from Comfort Woman is dismissed by Japanese court.......Then Chinese are considered a great nation just like Jews ah????
she, no more prοtest pictures here, please. I think the disagreement is fine and welcome but ......Posting them in Chinese forum could be a better idea. |
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jamiejah
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Apr 18, 2005 - 01:17 PM |
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why would posting them in a chinese forum be a better idea
is there not a german forum in shanghai
even a japanese,or any nationality
why on a chinese forum
nationalism on the way it has been shown in the past few weeks is not the way to go about things.
pointing fingers at other people,whilst suppressing your own people in the name of nationalism is very adult like isn,t it.
one off the main problems is the lack of understanding that chinese people have off the outside world,this is because they are not allowed to view the outside world,even in this day of internet
so its myebe acceptable that the views of the more easily led are so narrow minded
i suppose we are dealing with a teenage mentality after all |
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frenchlover1999
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Apr 18, 2005 - 01:28 PM |
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Jamie, You are propagating false or misleading information here.
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pointing fingers at other people,whilst suppressing your own people in the name of nationalism is very adult like isn,t it.
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When will the reality start to sink in that those who oppress the people (bad communist government) are not the same as those pointing fingers (demonstrators and whoever control them)? To justify your belief that the government is behind everything and its opposite, you have to assume they are "not very adult-like" or plain stupid. Instead try to assume that those people in government are highly clever and educated people, who have also learnt from past experience in China and abroad - from this assumption, try to analyse the present situation.
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one off the main problems is the lack of understanding that chinese people have off the outside world,this is because they are not allowed to view the outside world,even in this day of internet
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Interesting view. It is true of course. At the same time, those prοtests and the propagation of anti-japanese ideas (together with the propagation of anti-government ideas) is conducated mainly via the internet. Paradox? And at the same time, well-educated open-to-the-world westerners such as those found on this forum, although they dissaprove of anti-japanese prοtests (because they believe is it government-driven), wholly approve of other dissident activities against the government. Apart from this, your comment is true enough. |
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jamiejah
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Apr 18, 2005 - 01:45 PM |
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its all an manipulation off minds,so no matter what ism you want to put behind it ,it all boiles down to that.
you can even go further back to how educationalists teach people
different thread myebe,but everything is inter-interelated.
personally i,m a humanist,with no country no borders
thats what i believe,
ok i also know there is not a utopian paradise anywhere
apart from in your heart
again another thread myebe,
one part off me says ok
lets the manipulators have their way
weather it is financed by supporters in the west of chinese dissadents
ok
frecking blow the world up
as i believe in reincarnation anyway
so its the only real way to start afresh
but another part off me is holding onto the limited beauty that still exists in this world.
one thing for sure,educated or not,
does not mean
intelligence
as has been proved poften enough,by the destroyesrs of world peace
instead of intelligence i replace that with manipulation for the sole benefit off one,s self
myebe another thread
interesting enough again on the Chinese wbsite
interesting to see the nationalists with their
nike,adidas footwear
coca coas sign still fluttering in the shanghai wind
the drinking off coca cola or was it pepsi
i,m just sitting on the fence |
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Andreas
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Apr 19, 2005 - 01:24 PM |
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Throughout history we can see that blind nationalism will always backfire, and only leads to destruction and defeat. Pity that people never seem to learn from history. |
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frenchlover1999
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Apr 19, 2005 - 01:36 PM |
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Once again you miss the point Andreas. "People", the masses, are not driving or even initiating this. Especially not mindless students. They are manipulated, by organizations that have an agenda, a goal, and a sense of history too. |
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Henry_Chinaski
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Apr 19, 2005 - 02:30 PM |
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| commando wrote: |
Isn't that impressive.
NOT. |
Looks like the same kind of blind savagery as the french farmers protesting and destroying McDonalds, different being they have education, money, brains i.e. people unable to change their paradigms.
But hey, life goes on for most of us I suppose. |
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frenchlover1999
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Apr 19, 2005 - 03:05 PM |
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I read the French hung poor Ronald McDonald from a bridge yesterday in the northern city of Lille. |
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commando
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Apr 19, 2005 - 03:06 PM |
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My life certainly goes on, and i'm bloody well enjoy'ing it too. |
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bougie
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Apr 19, 2005 - 03:21 PM |
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I know I should be a little more serious about this topic and care much more about it.
That being said, why can't the prοtesters just burns their bra's, and smoke marijuana ? now there, that a real cause to fight for ...
prοtesters...  |
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Andreas
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Apr 19, 2005 - 03:33 PM |
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Yep, bring back the good old times when sex was dirty and air was clean. |
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