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Edgewood
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Aug 08, 2005 - 02:13 PM |
 
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Xinhua, on their home page, had a short 'story' over the weekend, part of which I posted here.
Essentially, it said that the dead of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was a small price to pay, and that the bill wasn't yet settled between 'us and them'.
It was Government-approved news, it was quoted exactly... and it was deleted by our own moderators within a few minutes of my posting it.
Nice one, eeek-knucles. |
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Kiwi
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Yeah, I saw that post. If it was deleted then why? |
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lovethemho
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Aug 08, 2005 - 02:21 PM |
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The dead of Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Nah...
Those dead were english men in drags. No biggie. |
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Edgewood
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Aug 08, 2005 - 02:21 PM |
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90% of my stuff gets hit these days, probably by the same kunt every time. |
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MaomingMaster
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Aug 08, 2005 - 02:22 PM |
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I remember seeing that post too....
What gives Moddies? |
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lovethemho
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Aug 08, 2005 - 02:27 PM |
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May be our Japanese host realized that you are not here to give sympathy to Japanese but to act like a "shiat-stirring stick". |
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dfoo
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Aug 08, 2005 - 02:36 PM |
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*dup* |
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dfoo
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You did say something rather undiplomatic at the end of the post from what I recall. All the same it was pretty minor compared to your normal diatribe.
Regards, Matthew |
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Andreas
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Aug 08, 2005 - 04:07 PM |
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Xinhua is a fascist propaganda medium controlled by a fascist regime. The content of Xinhua's publications is not a bit different than what similar media in Nazi Germany produced. Of course your post gets iced if you quote them.... |
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*CheerLeader*Mao
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Aug 08, 2005 - 04:17 PM |
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what did the nazis think of the chinese
maybe we should put them in a room together |
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dfoo
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Probably not much. China was at war against the axis.
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Bullitt
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Aug 08, 2005 - 04:43 PM |
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was there ever an engagement between chinsese forces and german forces? |
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Edgewood
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Had Hitler been successful, he may have instituted a little population control here, too, although obviously Comrade Mao did a much better job than Herr Hitler ever could have done.
Having said that, the Nazi's had no particular problem with the Chinese. It was a Nazi who saved a lot of Chinese bacon during the Nanjing incident, for instance, and the Chinese never did make any atempt to fight Germany, or anyone else for that matter (except for each other, of course). |
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acujerjer
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Aug 08, 2005 - 04:52 PM |
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China was busy losing to engage with the Nazis.
Think of this:
What if a Chinese Hitler came about right now? What percentage of Chinese do you think would support him?
According to their arguments they could just say, "Hey Hitler did it, why be so mean to poor China when we do it?" |
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Edgewood
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Since this thread started out by mentioning Xinhua, here's another few 'stories', currently showing on Xinhua:
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Chinese make contributions to WWII victory: official
The Chinese people, who suffered like the Jewish people during World War II, made important contributions to the victory of the anti-fascist war, a Chinese State Council official said Tuesday in Tel Aviv at a seminar marking the 60th WWII anniversary. |
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National chorus marks China's victory over Japanese aggressors
A national chorus will be staged in Xiamen, east China's Fujian Province, from Aug. 12 to 15, to commemorate the 60th anniversary of China's victory over the Japanese aggressors as well as the victory of World War II. |
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China must not be written out of WWII
Chinese historians here called for more awareness of China's "indispensable contribution" to the Allied victory in World War II while world leaders gathered in Europe for solemn ceremonies marking the 60th anniversary of Nazi Germany's defeat.
[goes on to say that without China's help, Europe would have been forever lost to the Germans and Japanese]
Thanks to its indispensable contribution to World War II, Chinabecame one of five permanent members of the United Nations Security Council. "China fully deserved to be given such an important post in the world," said Li Liangzhi, a professor at China's Renmin University.
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So what was everybody else? Swiss cheese? Don't you love how it's always the most cowardly who shout the loudest how much they did? |
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dfoo
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China was a member of the allied powers, and thus technically at least at war with Germany (as a member of the axis powers) -- although I don't think that Chinese forces ever engaged German forces (I cannot find any reference at least).
I'm not sure what Edgewood is talking about, but the Chinese were fighting the Japanese (and each other of course).
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Kiwi
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China was not exactly at war with Axis. The KMT was the government of China at the time and they had close links with the Nazis. KMT generals were trained by the Nazis, the Nazis provided the KMT with weapons, and I think Chiang Kaishek's son was even involved in some of the German campaigns in Europe (maybe only as an observer - I don't know the details). |
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Kiwi
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Aug 08, 2005 - 05:24 PM |
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And though the Chinese were at war with Japan the CCP and KMT (particularly the latter) were more concerned with fighting one another and standing up to 'western interference' to fully focus on fighting the Japanese.
The US became very frustrated with Chiang Kaishek. The Americans provided Chiang with substantial military assistance but he was reluctant to risk his forces by engaging the enemy.
Incidentally I believe Chiang Kaishek contributed directly to the Nanking Massacre. Can't quite remember the details of this, so apologies if I get it wrong (too lazy to do some research now). Chiang was extremely paranoid about losing his grip on power, and everything he did was intended to preserve his own position first with the interests of the country comming a distant second. Therefore in the campaign around Nanjing he ordered a rival general to defend the city to the last man, while simultaneously ordering all of boats in Nanking to retreat up the Yangtze. The result was that the rival general's army was completely destroyed by the invading Japanese (the outcome Chiang wanted), and the inhabitants of Nanjing were left with no means of escape (an unfortunate side effect that Chiang didn't much care about). |
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dfoo
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Aug 08, 2005 - 05:32 PM |
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| China was not exactly at war with Axis. The KMT was the government of China at the time and they had close links with the Nazis. KMT generals were trained by the Nazis, the Nazis provided the KMT with weapons, and I think Chiang Kaishek's son was even involved in some of the German campaigns in Europe (maybe only as an observer - I don't know the details). |
The communists also had links with the Germans. Here is a pretty good article on the German military mission in China. http://www.feldgrau.com/china.html
This is the near the end of the article
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By 1937, the Japanese were beginning to pressure the Germans. German advisors in China were detrimental to the Japanese war efforts. Overtly, Hitler told the Japanese that he would curtail and end the German support efforts to China - but on 16 August 1937, he ordered the German military support efforts in China to continue as scheduled.
At this juncture, political events would soon call a halt to the German program in China. On 04 February 1938, Germany was placed into a position whereby it diplomatically recognized Manchukuo. The Japanese now increased their anti German support in china lobbying efforts in Berlin. On 28 April 1938, Göring officially called a halt to German military export shipments through HARPO to China - regardless of contractual obligations. By the summer of 1938, most of the German military advisors in China were recalled to Germany.
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Edgewood
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Like I said, the Chinese weren't interested in fighting anyone, except each other.
At least that way, they had a chance of winning. |
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lovethemho
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| was there ever an engagement between chinsese forces and german forces? |
Yes, Mao's first son Mao Anying(who died in the Korean war) was in one of the tanks that spear-headed into Berlin. |
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Andreas
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Aug 08, 2005 - 06:13 PM |
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An armored noodle shop... Where's this world coming to ? |
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lovethemho
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Aug 08, 2005 - 06:25 PM |
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While the Yankees made decent effort in Korean War, the english however was faster to surrender themself to the Chinese than any other ones. |
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Bullitt
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| was there ever an engagement between chinsese forces and german forces? |
Yes, Mao's first son Mao Anying(who died in the Korean war) was in one of the tanks that spear-headed into Berlin. |
Who's tank was he in? I don't think that there were any Chinese mechanized units that far west. Was he riding shotgun in a Russian tank? |
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acujerjer
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Aug 09, 2005 - 07:16 AM |
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I remember watching Schindler's List with my ex-Chiense girlfriend in Shanghai a few years ago. I was pretty moved by the film, and after it was over all she could say was, "The Japanese did that to us too."
Kiwi if your info is correct that is truly outrageous.
I guess the Chinese are taught from day 1 that it is all about them, but the big bad world doesn't see it. So they always need to put their 2 cents in. I guess the CCP are mind trick masters. But like in Star Wars, Jedi mind tricks only work on the weak. |
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