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suamei
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Our Ayi brought a soy product over the other day and I believe from its taste and appearance that it is tempeh. Here is what it is in Pinyin: su4 ji1 (numbers indicating tones).
Anybody know? I've checked the web and never found what tempeh is in Mandarin. (For those who don't know tempeh, it is a tender, yet chewy smoky/nutty tasting cake made from fermented soybeans. It's a great meat substitute in many recipes.)
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Irvinelinds
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Mar 09, 2006 - 04:55 PM |
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my chinese friend tells me that suji is a type of fried tofu....made of soybean...so it sounds like tempeh.
suddenly i want to eat tempeh. where did your ayi buy it? |
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eggy
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Mar 09, 2006 - 05:15 PM |
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ya where did your ayi buy the tempeh from? usually i bring tempeh over from spore and freeze them for future use but now i am out of tempeh for my gado gado! |
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gothsusie
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Mar 09, 2006 - 05:27 PM |
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Oh wow, that sounds so yummy! I want to know where your ayi got it too or what the packages look like. I'm dying to try some! Share your info! |
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suamei
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Mar 09, 2006 - 05:33 PM |
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Thanks, Irvinelinds and Eggy. I will ask my Ayi where she bought it. Eggy, I will have to learn what gado gado is--- sounds yum yum, as long as there's no meat in it!
I'll post a note when I hear from my Ayi.
Cheers. |
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suamei
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Mar 09, 2006 - 05:37 PM |
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Gothsusie, will do! (Are you the same as scrapbooking Susie?!) If so, I'm so out of the scrap loop, but want in!) |
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gothsusie
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Mar 09, 2006 - 05:40 PM |
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hey suamei... just remembered why you sound familiar. we need to get together sometime to scrapbook still! are you also a vegetarian? I am starving right now so everything sounds good. better go get something to eat! |
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gothsusie
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Mar 09, 2006 - 05:42 PM |
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lol... pm me... we've got to exchange info and set up a time for a meeting then! I've been super lazy and need group motivation badly! |
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eggy
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Mar 09, 2006 - 05:43 PM |
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gado gado is an Indonesian "salad". Made with fried tofu, tempeh, blanched long beans and cabbage, boiled potatoes(cubed), boiled rice cakes, hard boiled eggs and peanut sauce. yum yum...absolutely suitable for vegetarians and the best part is, it's a complete meal! |
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pantoufle
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Mar 09, 2006 - 06:01 PM |
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man i am so hungry now. Last night I toyed with the idea of making a satay because i am highly in favour of peanuts at the moment, but I ended up making something else. Mmmm I think gado gado is a definate option. suamei did you figure out yet where your ayi bought the tempeh from. I am guessing that the fried tofu. and the pressed dried tofu (tofu gan?) would be equally acceptable! |
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arigato
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Mar 09, 2006 - 07:38 PM |
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suji is very popular in shanghai, you can get it almost everywhere -- every Chinese style food market (cai chang), and some supermarkets like Hymart.
suji means veggie chicken in chinese.
have no idea what tempeh is. is it a japanese word? |
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suamei
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Mar 09, 2006 - 07:59 PM |
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Yummmm, Eggy! Would you mind sharing a recipe? AnyIndo place in Shanghai you know that prepares it well?
Pantoufle--- I'm a peanut lover, too, esp. like it with the zingy taste of lemon or lime atop. I didn't speak yet with my Ayi, but spoke with another Ayi who claims that the SuJi is available any/everywhere. If I can get the Chinese spelling, I'll post it. Maybe that will make it easier when hunting for it. Its taste is really not comparable to tofu gan, due to its nutty (vs. tofu's more bland) flavor.
Gothsusie! Yes, I will PM you--- we definitely need to get together! I don't eat any meat (or poultry), just some fish and tofu.
Hmmm...arigato... I just looked on the web to learn a bit more about the origins of tempeh and I've included that info under this message*. Interesting. I'll have to ask an Indonesian friend what she knows about it.
I always sense there seems to be enough interest to start a veggie group from this site... I'd love to meet on a regular basis to exchange ideas, discoveries, recipes, restaurants, frustrations, etc.! Maybe I'll kick off a Yahoo group?
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"Tempeh processing could be the oldest food technology in the history of Javanese people. Serat Centhini, a book published in the 16th century, indicates that Tempeh had been produced and consumed by the time of its publication. Tempeh might have been introduced by the Chinese, who are making a similar product, soybean koji, which are dehulled soybeans fermented with Aspergillus molds." (from http://www.soybeancompany.com/soybeancompany/processen/ ) |
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cherry_chain
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Mar 09, 2006 - 10:40 PM |
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u can get it easily from any supermarket. it can be literally translated as veggie chicken. there're also su 4 ya1(veggie duck) su4 huo3 tui3 (veggie ham). if u like those stuff, u really got to check the veggie restaurant called Gong1 De2 Lin2--Godly Restaurant(can't really remember the english name for it) it's address is No.445 Nan Jing Rd(W) |
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SF_to_Shanghai
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Mar 10, 2006 - 01:19 AM |
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Tempeh is not suji. although you can get the same nutrition from su ji. Su ji is the family product of tofu and bean curd and it is true that so is tempeh. But the only difference is that tempeh is fermented and fried, and suji is not. Suji is made when soy drink is cooking, the sheer, thin "skin" that forms on top, which has the highest content of proteins. Layers and layers are collected and pressed until firmness is formed. Then they roll it up tightly until the surface is smooth. the finishing product is then smoked with spices and other flavorings. Suji is basically bean curd with smokey flavors.
now, suya and su e are pretty similar, but different in texture than suji. su ya and su e are made from the thin skins are well, but these skins are collected and dried seperately. The skins are then lightly fried in oil. The maker then smoke these thin sheets and roll them up in shapes. texture wise its softer and flakier. whereas suji is harder and chewier.
a more similar product to tempeh would be deep fried firm tofu (扬豆腐) from Japan. which still is a little bit different. And tempeh is sold in Japan, that is correct. but not a traditional asian product at all. |
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suamei
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Mar 10, 2006 - 02:09 AM |
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Wow, what a thorough answer, SF (San Fran?!). Thank you! May I ask how you have all this knowledge/info? Are you a chef or, to use the trendy term, a "foodie?"
Any chance that you could meet with some of us soy-loving/curious people at a supermarket sometime and look at /learn about to differentiate soy products?
Am wondering, since tempeh is sold in Japan, if it might be available at Fresh Mart, the basement supermarket next to Jing An temple? I'll have to have a look next time I'm there.
Much thanks again. |
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suamei
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SF_to_Shanghai
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Mar 10, 2006 - 02:29 AM |
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Suamei you are too cute. I'm not a chef, however a couple of people in my family are, and personally i just really, really, really love to cook. And there are tons of food knowledge I don't know about either, this just happened to be one that i know! To be completely honest with you, I don't know where I got such information from, perhaps hearing relatives talking about it in the past, and with my own interest in food.
I have never seen tempeh at FreshMart, but I never purposely looked. Surely if you like some suggestion on cooking soy products, just let me know  |
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momof2
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Mar 10, 2006 - 07:12 AM |
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SF_to_Shanghai explains this very accurately! Su Ji is very popular in California now. You can find it in all major Asian grocery stores, as a frozen product imported directly from Shanghai. |
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eggy
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pantoufle
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Mar 10, 2006 - 11:43 AM |
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Oh its vegie chicken - i do know it afterall, just never knew the chinese name. Suamei, I am not vegetarian but I do love great food, so if you start up a new group of foodies then count me in! |
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Mon_Mon
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Mar 10, 2006 - 12:44 PM |
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素鸡 Su Ji (vegie chicken), 素鸭 Su Ya (vegie duck) |
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teanosugar
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Mar 10, 2006 - 01:42 PM |
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| I always sense there seems to be enough interest to start a veggie group from this site... I'd love to meet on a regular basis to exchange ideas, discoveries, recipes, restaurants, frustrations, etc.! Maybe I'll kick off a Yahoo group? |
I'm vegetarian, too. I would love to swap recipes as well, could do that here as well though. Maybe I will start a thread?
I can also help out with recognizing veggie foods here... |
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w1ll14m09
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Mar 10, 2006 - 06:52 PM |
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Tempeh is genuine Indonesian traditional home made food. It is very yummy ^__^.. Is Chinese "tempeh" (suji) has a good taste?? I wanna try it.. Miss tempeh a lot... |
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DragonAss
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Mar 11, 2006 - 05:58 PM |
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If you're a strict vegetarian, I dont think you would enjoy gado2 as much. The best en athentic gado2 sauce is made with shrimp paste. If you are strict vegie, you can try make your own using peanut butter (preferebly the crunchy type), I often experience with the ingredients and substitute what's not availbale. Peanut butter with chili sauce, add salt, sugar and vinegar will make a salad dressing that's similar to gado2 but it is not gado2... gado2 sauce use tamarind, chilli, shrimp paste, palm sugar en peanut of coz... plus some other stuffs that I cant remember.
I got the instant mix from Melbourne last time. It is more tasty than what restaurants serve... thou in Bali Laguna, Jing-an serves good gado2 for my tastebud.
Contact Meanderer for good recipe, s/he's damn good in the recipe dept |
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eggy
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Mar 16, 2006 - 04:22 PM |
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Bought suji over the weekend. Not tempeh per se but can do lah. Deep fried the suji coated with spiced batter. Made a simplified version of gado gado using ready made satay sauce as I was just too lazy. Had plenty of fish crackers to go with the gado gado. Have friends flying in this weekend and have asked them to bring over tempeh for me. Yay!! |
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