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oohashi
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I am Japanese. I have been living and working in Shanghai for alomst one year.
Back in Japan, in the history book it never tells the Japan-invade-China war. I even don't know the Nanjin persecution.
Recently, i read a book named "The Rape of Nanking", i am so stunned. Have anyone read this book?
I just want to know the true history no matter good or bad.
The Rape of Nanking: An Undeniable History in Photographs tells the story in words and more than 400 photographs of the Japanese invasion of China and the sacking of its capital city, Nanking, in 1937-38.
Between December 1937 and March 1938 at least 369,366 Chinese civilians and prisoners of war were slaughtered by the invading troops. An estimated 80,000 women and girls were raped; many of them were then mutilated or murdered.
THE SAVAGERY OF THE KILLING WAS AS APPALLING AS ITS SCALE.
Thousands of victims were beheaded, burned, bayoneted, buried alive, or disemboweled.
To this day the Japanese government has refused to apologize for these and other World War II atrocities, and a significant sector of Japanese society denies that they took place at all.
It is time to honor history.
The Nanking Massacre, commonly known as "The Rape of Nanking", refers to the most well-known of the war crimes committed by the Japanese military carried out by Japanese troops in and around Nanjing (also known in English as Nanking), China, after it fell to the Imperial Japanese Army on December 13, 1937. The duration of the massacre is not clearly defined, although the period of carnage lasted well into the next six weeks, until early February 1938.
During the occupation of Nanjing, the Japanese army committed numerous atrocities, such as rape, looting, arson and the execution of prisoners of war and civilians. Although the executions began under the pretext of eliminating Chinese soldiers disguised as civilians, a large number of innocent men were wrongfully identified as enemy combatants and killed, or simply killed in any event as the massacre gathered momentum. A large number of women and children were also killed, as rape and murder became more widespread.
The extent of the atrocities is hotly debated, with numbers ranging from Japanese ultra-nationalist claims of several hundred, to the Chinese claim of a non-combatant death toll of 300,000. Nations outside Japan usually believe the death toll to be 300,000. Japanese typically consider this a very approximate value.[citation needed] This number was first promulgated in January of 1938 by Harold Timperly, a journalist in China during the Japanese invasion, base on reports from contemporary eyewitnesses. Many other sources, including Iris Chang's commercially-successful book The Rape of Nanking, also promote 300,000 as the death toll.
In addition to the number of victims, a few extreme nationalists have even disputed whether or not the atrocity happened. Whilst the Japanese government has acknowledged such an incident did occur, the extremists presented their case starting with the Japanese army's claims at the International Military Tribunal for the Far East that the death toll was military in nature and that no such civilian atrocities ever occurred. However, an overwhelming amount of evidence contradicts this. The existence of such an atrocity has been repeatedly confirmed by statements of Westerners at the International Military Tribunal for the Far East as well as eyewitnesses then today, who had personally witnessed civilians being murdered and women raped by Japanese soldiers. There is also an extensive collection of photographic records of mutilated bodies of Chinese women and children. Recent archaeological findings further support the existence of this massacre having taken place.
The massacre is a major focal point of burgeoning Chinese nationalism, and in China, opinions are relatively homogenous[citation needed]. In Japan, however, public opinion over the severity of the massacre remains widely divided - this is evidenced by the fact that whereas some Japanese commentators refer to it as the 'Nanking massacre' (南京大虐殺, Nankin daigyakusatsu), others use the more ambivalent 'Nanking incident' (南京事件, Nankin jiken). The event continues to be a point of contention and controversy in Sino-Japanese relations.
Why nothing is said in our history text book? |
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lemongrass
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Oct 12, 2006 - 04:45 PM |
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Go visit the massacre museum in NanJing if you get a chance. You will see more 'vivid' pics and vedio. |
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AisinGioro
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Oct 12, 2006 - 05:29 PM |
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The second biggest atrocity committed by Japanese is establish a puppet state called Manchuria the Northeast, my friend AisinGioro Puyi was the emperor by then. |
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pixelpunter
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Oct 12, 2006 - 05:49 PM |
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while you're researching japan, look up concentration camps and all the stuff that happened in Korea. |
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beautiful_mind0905
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Oct 12, 2006 - 07:10 PM |
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and close down Yasukuni Shrine... |
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Andreas
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Oct 12, 2006 - 07:38 PM |
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Guess we will never know the whole truth. The problem is that history is always written by the winners of a conflict. |
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Andreas
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Oct 12, 2006 - 07:39 PM |
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| beautiful_mind0905 wrote: |
| and close down Yasukuni Shrine... |
Now why would you do that ? Sounds like crap to me. |
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beautiful_mind0905
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It is like enshrining Hitler and the Nazis... |
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Andreas
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Oct 12, 2006 - 08:24 PM |
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| It is like enshrining Hitler and the Nazis... |
Since when can people not commemorate their war deaths ? It is done in every country, so why all the fuss about Yasukuni Jinja ? Double standards ? |
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oohashi
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Oct 12, 2006 - 09:39 PM |
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Now, i know what is going on!
Oohashi Fukumori |
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Oct 12, 2006 - 09:46 PM |
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uhm no, i think lots of germans (majority) would even be pissed about anyone doing that with hitler and the nazis. |
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pixelpunter
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Oct 12, 2006 - 09:48 PM |
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can, worms, open! |
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Andreas
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Oct 12, 2006 - 09:51 PM |
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| bezoli wrote: |
| uhm no, i think lots of germans (majority) would even be pissed about anyone doing that with hitler and the nazis. |
Of course they would, and it's even forbidden in their constitution. But they DO commemorate the people that lost heir lives in both world wars, both civilian and military. Like every other country does, and rightfully so. If you do not remember your war dead, how can you teach the younger generation that war is wrong, and should never happen again ? |
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Oct 12, 2006 - 10:22 PM |
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Why should war criminals be enshrined? Doesn't it demean the innocent lives that were lost?
Remembering the war dead is one thing, but remembering war criminals who perpetuated the unthinkable horrors is something else altogether. |
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Andreas
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Oct 12, 2006 - 11:42 PM |
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What is a war criminal ? Who determines who is a war criminal ? This is all so subjective.
The dead are the dead and should rest in peace. On the last journey all people are equal, good or bad.
We should stop living in the past, there's enough to do in the present. People who do not remember their dead have no honour. |
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Yakuskuni is a bit awkward. Personally I think Japanese heads of state absolutely should pay their respects there. Not honoring their own war dead would be an absolute disgrace. However, there are some issues.
So far as I understand Yakuskuni was originally free of convicted war criminals, with one or two dozen originally being interred elsewhere (maybe at the same loaction, but from a spiritual Shinto perspective not part of Yakuskuni itself). In the 1970s (or maybe the 80s) some ultra-nationist priests went and secretly moved the remains of the war criminals into the main shrine and held a ceremony to formally interr them there. Apparently the way this shrine works is kind of like a melting pot of all the souls of Japan's war dead. You can put souls in, but once in there you can't extract them again - they lose their individuality and become part of the whole. So apparently this secret ceremony cannot be undone. Personally I think that if the priests at the shrine were serious then they could find a way to reverse the ceremony. But even if the ceremony can't be reversed I still think the importance of honoring the thousands of other war dead (and not just from WWII) outweighs the problems with honoring a dozen or two war criminals at the same time.
Even in Japan some people have an issue with the shrine visits. Emperor Akihito occasionally visited the shrine up until the time when the war criminals were interred in the shrine proper. Although he never commented publicly, he quietly stopped visiting from that point on. Obviously Akihto has a problem with what happened even if subsequent Japanese PMs had no problem.
As for the rest of it. . . well I've said it all a thousand times before. |
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good post, I didn't know about that. |
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tomnoddy_uk
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Funny how war criminals are only ever on the losing side. |
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Some of the families of the war dead have requested to have the souls of their loved ones removed as a result of the interring of convicted war criminals... |
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pixelpunter
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Oct 13, 2006 - 01:08 PM |
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History is written by the victors Tom! |
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Doesn't mean they don't deserve to be convicted as war criminals! |
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You're not still laboring under the mistaken belief that there is justice in the world, are you? |
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There is natural justice in the world! |
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pixelpunter
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Yes, 'natural justice', that kind....hmmmmm....the truly satisfying 'natural justice', hits the spot every time. |
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