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wolfy
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Japanese filmmaker to deny Nanjing massacre
When Japanese troops conquered the then capital of China in 1937, historians agree they slaughtered tens of thousands of civilians in an orgy of violence known since as the Rape of Nanking.
But a Japanese nationalist filmmaker announced on Wednesday that he is working on a documentary with a very different message: the massacre never happened.
The film, to be called The Truth about Nanking and completed in August, will be based on testimony from Japanese veterans, archival footage and documents that proponents say prove accounts of the killings are nothing more than Chinese propaganda.
"This will be our first effort to correct the errors of history through a film," director Satoru Mizushima said at a Tokyo hotel, joined by a group of conservative lawmakers and academics who support the project.
Mizushima, president of the rightwing Internet broadcaster Channel Sakura, said he hoped to enter the film in international festivals later in the year. He is aiming to raise about ¥300 million (US$2.47 million) for the effort.
The film is part of a gathering wave in Japan of "massacre denial" projects, mostly books, that attempt to debunk a slaughter that historians say killed at least 150,000 civilians. China says the death toll was as many as 300,000.
The film was certain to rile audiences in China, and opponents say it would only cause embarrassment for Japan.
"They say the film will transmit the truth about Nanking, but they will be only spreading shame for Japan," said Shinichiro Kumagai, a civil activist studying the massacre in Nanjing -- the current name of the city -- and supporting Chinese war victims.
"The move only reveals their inability to face Japan's wartime past by looking the other way," Kumagai said.
The film is based on the work of Japanese historian Shudo Higashinakano, whose work includes two books that claim the massacre was a hoax.
The massacre, brought to a worldwide audience in English by Iris Chang's book, The Rape of Nanking: The Forgotten Holocaust of World War II, is widely seen as a gruesome symbol of Japan's bloody conquest of East Asia in most of the first half of the 1900s.
Japan's rightists argue Nanking's population was too small to have suffered such a huge massacre, and claim doctored photographs and exaggerated witness accounts have created the false image of Japanese soldiers as craven and bloodthirsty.
China yesterday condemned plans to make the documentary.
"We have also seen the reports. I think that there is irrefutable evidence for the Nanjing massacre, and international society has long ago come to a conclusion about it," Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Jiang Yu (姜瑜) told a news conference.
"Japan's taking of a correct and responsible attitude to properly deal with historical problems helps it truly win the trust of Asian neighbors and the global community," she added.
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/world/archives/2007/01/26/2003346406
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frenchlover1999
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Imagine this happening in Europe... with gas chambers for example. It can't be. In Europe, we have laws protecting historical "truths". All the people involved would end up in JAIL. In fact people get jailed for less than this in Europe. See what happened with the revisionist conference in Iran... |
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frenchlover1999
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BTW the UN recently passed a resolution, unanimously, making the "Shoah" official truth that cannot be denied! I think it was last week. |
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shanghaiceltic
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Jan 30, 2007 - 07:35 AM |
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It will certainly stir up things here, though it would never be released here.
It was not just Iris Chang that wrote about the Nanking massacre, there were quite a number of foreign news reporters there who witnissed and wrote. So too did some of the missionaries who tried to shelter Chinese from the Japanese.
It happened and a film denying it would be inflamatory. |
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rayfish
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This is from aiipowmia.com:
The Other Holocaust
The Nanjing Massacre and Unit 731
Angry at the Japanese atrocities in Nanjing during WWII, German diplomat John Rosen sent Magee's film to Nazi government and requested film be shown to Hilter and claimed Japanese army was a "Violent Killing Machine".
At a time when Japan is seeking permanent status in the United Nations Security Council, Mr. Chan's death serves as warning that a nation with a history of aggression, crimes against humanity, and with no signs of remorse, is not worthy of occupying a seat in the UN Security Council.
"The fellow knew that it was over for him, and so he didn't struggle." recalled the old former medical assistant of a Japanese Army unit in China in World War II, "But when I picked up the scalpel that's when he began screaming. I cut him open from the chest to the stomach, and he screamed terribly, and his face was all twisted in agony. He made this unimaginable sound, he was screaming so horribly. But then finally he stopped." The former medical assistant who insisted on anonymity, explained the reason for the vivisection. The Chinese prisoner had been deliberately infected with the plague as part of a research project - the full horror of which is only now emerging - Japanese Army set up Headquarters of Unit 731 near Harbin, China to develope plague bombs for use in World War II. After infecting him, the researchers decided to cut him open to see what the disease does to a man's inside. NO anesthetic was used, he said, out of concern that it might have an effect on the results.
The research program was one of the great secrets of Japan during and after World War II : a vast project to develope weapons of biological warfare, including plague, anthrax, cholera and a dozen other pathogens. Unit 731 was comprised of over three thousand researchers and technicains. It was a gigantic research center focused on biological weapons. The vivisection was also routinely used for practicing various kinds of surgery says Dr. Ken Yuasa, a former Japanese doctor working in China during the War. First an appendectomy, then an amputation of an arm and finally a tracheotomy. When they finished practcing, they killed the patient with an injection.
Medical researchers also locked up diseased prisoners with healthy ones, to see how readily various ailments would spread. The doctors put others inside a pressure chamber to see how much the body can withstand before the eyes pop from their sockets. To determine the treatment of frostbite, prisoners were taken outside in freezing weather and left with exposed arms, periodically drenched with water, until the frozen arm emitted a sound resembling that which a board gives when it is struck.
The doctors even experimented on a three-day-old baby, measuring the temperature with a needle stuck inside the infant's middle finger to keep it straight to prevent the baby's hand clenching into a fist. Victims were often taken to a proving ground called Anda, where they were tied to stakes and bombarded with test weapons to see how effective the new technologies were. Planes sprayed the zone with a plague culture or dropped bombs with plague-infected fleas to see how many people would die.
The Japanese Army regularly conducted "Field Tests". Planes dropped plague-infected fleas over Ningbo in eastern China and over Changde in north-central China, Japanese troops also dropped cholera and typhnid cultures in wells and ponds.
Sheldon H. Harris, a historian at California State University in Northridge and author of a book on Unit 731, "Factories of Death" estimates that more than 200,000 Chinese were killed in germ warfare field experiments. Professor Harris also says plague-infected animals were released as the war was ending and caused outbreaks of the plague that killed at least 30,000 people in the Harbin area form 1946 through 1948.
In what Harris describes as a "Faustian bargain", the research was kept secret after the war in part because the U.S. granted immunity from war crimes prosecution to the Japanese doctors in EXCHANGE for their data. Japanese and American documents show that the United States helped cover up the human experimentation. Instead of putting the ringleaders on trial, U.S. gave them stipends.
When Japan launched its full scale invasion into China, Japan claimed that it would take only three months for them to conquer the whole China. Yet they had to spent three months just to capture Shanghai with great casualties to Japanese army. In December 13th 1937, Nanjing, the capital of China during the war, finally fell to the Japanese. Japanese military force immediately systematically start murdering Chinese civilian under the 'Take all, Kill all, Burn all' military policy. It was a well planned, full scale revenge designed to intimidate and crush the spirit of China. In the next six weeks, the Japanese committed the infamous Nanjing Massacre, or the Rape of Nanjing. The brutalities included shooting, stabbing, cutting open the abdomen, excavating the heart, decapitation, drowning, punching the body and eye with an awl. Thousands of civilians were buried or burn alive, or used as targets for bayonet practice, shot in large groups and thrown into Yangtze River. Soldiers competed in all kinds of "KILLING CONTEST" and sent the number of murders back to newspaper in Japan to publish.
"I have never been to hell, but there is a hell, it was in this city," reporter for the Tokyo Times told the killing in Nanjing. "At one time, after Nanking was captured, more than 30,000 Chinese were driven to the foot of the city wall. Machine guns then swept the crowd and grenades were thrown from atop the wall. The 30,000 people were all killed, most of them were women, children, and elderly." reported Toyoko Asahi Shimbun correspondent Yoshio Moriyama on December 14, 1937. A Dec. 15, 1937 entry to the diary of a Japanese soldier in the 23rd Regiment of the 18th Division, published in Tokyo Asahi Shimbun on August 4, 1984: "When we were bored, we had some fun killing Chinese. Buried them alive, or push them into a fire, or beat them to death with clubs, or kill them by other cruel means."
Witnessed the atrocities, Reverend John Magee used his camera and recorded the Massacre in a 16mm film. It is believed to be the only documentary about this infamous incident. He was an Episcopal pastor in charge of the so-called Nanjing Inernational Safety Zone created when Japanese army captured Nanjing in 1937.
Angry at the Japanese atrocities, German diplomat Mr. John Rosen sent a copy of Magee's film to the Nazi government. He also included a long report which claimed that the whole Japanese army was a "Violent Killing Machine". In it, he requested that the film be shown to Hitler.
Chinese and Japanese scholars were aware of the film but were unable to locate it. Japanese then said that since there was no proof, the Nanjing Massacre never occurred.
When the German Archive at Botsdam was opened in 1990 after collapsing of the Berlin Wall, the Rosen report surfaced, but the film's whereabouts were still unknown. After a long search, the four rolls of the film and the diaries were finally found in Yale University Library and in the house of Mr. David Magee, Reverend Magee's son. According to Magee's dairy, he could only record a very small part of what he witnessed since he was too busy to save lives.
Brackman, a reporter at the Tokyo Trial and author of the book "The Other Nuremberg" commented "The Nanjing Massacre was not the kind of isolated incident common to wars. It was deliberate. It was policy. It was known in Tokyo." Yet it was allowed to continue for over six weeks.
"In terms of measures and cruelty of the genocide, its duration and large numbers of people killed," says professor of history of Southern Illinois University "Neither Hiroshima nor Jewish Holocaust can rival the Nanjing Massacre." The international community estimated that more than 300,000 Chinese were killed, and 20,000 women were raped within six weeks of continuous Massacre.
Yet Japan often said that Japan's aim in World War II was simply to liberate Asia from Western colonialism and project themselves as the victims instead of perpetrators of World War II because atomic bombs were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, ignoring all the facts that Nanjing Masscare and infamous Unit 731 were one of the Ugliest chapters against Humanity in the 20th century. Japan is responsible for the deaths of more than 20 million Chinese during the 14 years of invason, not to mention large numbers of Koreans, Indonesia (4 million), Vietnam (2 million), India (1.5 million), Filipions (1 million) and other Asian countries. It was a Holocaust committed by Japan in World War II and not yet confessed.
The debate has been smouldering in Japan for the past 40 years. History professor Saburo Lenaga, who has now become for many the living *conscience of Japan, has launched no less than three highly publicized lawsuits against the Department of Education. Based on his own research, he wrote a high school textbook which included Japan's terrible War crimes : Nanjing Massacre and infamous Unit 731. Time after time again, his manuscripts were sent back from the Education Department. He was asked to delete a reference to the Japanese "aggression" in China and told to use the words "military advance" instead. Regarding the Nanjing massacre, he had to haggle with education officials over the number of Chinese civilians killed. As for the infamous Unit 731, it was made clear that any mention of its existence would quite simply bar the book from publication. Finally Mr. Lenaga got angry and sued the Education Department. |
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underh20
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Jan 30, 2007 - 09:38 AM |
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While the proposed documentary is a historical sham, does the work of a few right-wing nutjobs imply that the majority of Japanese people, or even their government, endorse such absurd views?
Can we indict a nation as a whole by the acts of a relatively small number of historical lunatics?
And should a country that enjoys freedom of expression stifle the attempts of these historical retards to present their drivel? |
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wolfy
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underh20
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Jan 30, 2007 - 10:06 AM |
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I must have missed something. The government organized a conference to deny the Nanjing Massacre?
I would certainly agree with you that the government endorsing the denial is really retarded. |
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dfoo
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Jan 30, 2007 - 10:23 AM |
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Freedom of speech does not equate with freedom to preach hatred. In many nations (such as Britain) freedom of speech is actually quite severely curtailed because of libel laws. |
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underh20
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Jan 30, 2007 - 11:01 AM |
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In exactly what way does denying the Nanjing Massacre equate with preaching hatred?
In many countries, such as America, people are free to say whatever they like even though it flies in the face of common sense, decency and fact. We term this concept freedom of expression. I believe even in England this concept still exists, or are you saying that it is illegal to claim a historical event did not happen? |
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dfoo
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Jan 30, 2007 - 11:23 AM |
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Denying the massacre is, exactly like holocaust denial, a form of racial hatred. It has a clear political agenda to prop up Japanese nationalism and greatness at the expense of the supposed lies of the Chinese. |
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Kiwi
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Jan 30, 2007 - 11:37 AM |
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The aiipowmia.com article is very biased. |
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underh20
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Jan 30, 2007 - 11:43 AM |
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| dfoo wrote: |
| Denying the massacre is, exactly like holocaust denial, a form of racial hatred. It has a clear political agenda to prop up Japanese nationalism and greatness at the expense of the supposed lies of the Chinese. |
That's your opinion.
Unless you now claim powers of ESP, you do not know why peole believe what they believe.
In any event, despite your claims otherwise, it is not illegal to deny the holocaust except for certain countries like France & Germany and quite unlike, I might add, Britain. |
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underh20
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Jan 30, 2007 - 11:55 AM |
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| Kiwi wrote: |
| The aiipowmia.com article is very biased. |
Of course it is. Would RawFish have posted it if it weren't?  |
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dfoo
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| underh20 wrote: |
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That's your opinion.
Unless you now claim powers of ESP, you do not know why peole believe what they believe.
In any event, despite your claims otherwise, it is not illegal to deny the holocaust except for certain countries like France & Germany and quite unlike, I might add, Britain. |
I never claimed its illegal (although n my opinion its certainly wrong to deny this). All I said (or meant to say) is that freedom of expression isn't freedom to say whatever you like. |
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rayfish
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Jan 30, 2007 - 01:07 PM |
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OK, Kiwi and Underh20, how is the article biased? |
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Kiwi
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Jan 30, 2007 - 01:30 PM |
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Rayfish, I don't feel like another thread where I explain how the article is biased, only to have you accuse me (on page ten) of not recognizing that the article is simply 'expressing an opinion'. |
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rayfish
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Jan 30, 2007 - 01:35 PM |
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er.....ok.
How about Underh20? |
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frenchlover1999
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Jan 30, 2007 - 01:39 PM |
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Excellent article. The simple question is why is it ok to question the Japanese atrocities (over 10 millions Chinese civilians killed) but it is forbidden, by law (and by a recent UN resolution!) to question to "holocaust", i.e. less than 2 millions Jews killed by Germans (along with over 20 millions non-Jews, but thats ok to forget about them). |
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frenchlover1999
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In fact, in my country, you cannot even say "ok, millions of Jews were exterminated by Germans, but not in gas chambers - that were never built and are an engineering impossibility. You can get very heavily fined, lose your job, etc... if you say that. If this applied to atrocities commited by the Japanese and if China was as tough as most European countries, Kiwi, Wolfy, Edgewood and a few others would be in jail as we speak. Several leading Europeans revisionists (historians who deny some of the myths of the holocaust) have been in jail for several years already. |
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frenchlover1999
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Perhaps but one is protected by law - international law now that the UN has passed a resolution - while the other isnt. In fact nobody cares about the other. And Israel has used one as an excuse for committing their own atrocities in the Middle East (in fact the zionists were good friends of Hitler) - while benevolent China and Korea (slighly less benevolent, due to the Korean bad temper) have a hard time being heard on the subject. |
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| frenchlover1999 wrote: |
| Perhaps but one is protected by law - international law now that the UN has passed a resolution - while the other isnt. |
Not quite, UN resolutions are not necessarily binding in international law. This was a General Assembly resolution I understand which merely states World opinion. |
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^ Merely states the opinion of those people who voted "yes." Whether or not that is the whole world's opinion remains to be seen. |
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| dfoo wrote: |
| I never claimed its illegal (although n my opinion its certainly wrong to deny this). All I said (or meant to say) is that freedom of expression isn't freedom to say whatever you like. |
While it may be foolish and contrary to fact to deny these atrocities happened, in most countries of the world -- with the exception of a handful -- it is allowable. Is it politically correct to say these things? Of course not. Is it nice to say these things? Again, no.
But they have the right and I, for one, would not vote to take it away from them. And deep down, I don't think you would, either. |
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