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DesertSpider
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Joined: Jan 19, 2007
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Dec 19, 2007 - 11:08 AM |
 
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We've had no serious problems.... but you need to be careful nonetheless. |
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MrInvisible
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Joined: Feb 28, 2005
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Dec 19, 2007 - 05:26 PM |
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I've been here 2 years with a black Lab that I brought from home. Overall it's been difficult but worth it to have brought the dog, but I live in Puxi it seems like in Pudong it's easier. Here are some things to consider when deciding to bring your dog:
NO parks allow dogs in Shanghai, but there is one large park with nicely cut grass fields and a lake only about an hour from the city. They allow dogs for 30 RMB (60 for people). It's a really nice place. If someone wants to know more PM me. You'll have to get used to walking your dog on the sidewalk with a leash unless you have a very friendly apartment complex. We've taken ours to Yanlord in Puxi which has some grass area and we haven't had any trouble. At another complex near ours we can't go back anymore because of playing without a leash.
I think the quarantine is now 30 days AT THE AIRPORT, meaning your dog will be in a cage 23.9 hours a day (pretend one day is actually 24.0 hours)...and I'm not even sure they let it out the other 0.1 hour to go to the bathroom. I think you can visit your dog while in quarantine. My dog was only there for 2 days because I had home quarantine, but they didn't let her out once for the entire 2 days, didn't change the water or give her food.
It's expensive to bring from the US, I used JetAPet and I think it cost around $3,500 all together (crate, airfare, paperwork on both sides, deliver to my house in China, etc.) But they did make all of the arrangements/forms, etc.
Good food is available but expensive. I was using IAMS before but it's hard to find for large breeds and about US $100 for a big bag. I now use Royal Canine which is very widely available but now costs like $120 for 10 kg or something.
Western vets are available but expect to pay like US$100 per visit.
NO KENNELS. Actually there are, but I wouldn't leave my dog in any of them. When we are both gone we leave the dog at home and friends and the ayi come and take her out and give her food and water.
Consider that there are MANY MANY MANY abused, malnourished, and abandoned dogs here. It may be very difficult to leave your dog behind, but there are many here that need your love.
If your dog is old you may want to reconsider. A friend of mine was bringing a bulldog from Australia and it died on the way. I think it was about 10 years old.
While most of the people in my complex are afraid of my dog (which causes trouble, and you MUST use a leash if you don't want the police to visit your house all the time...our dog was actually arrested and taken to the police station once because we were running around with her without a leash), more and more chinese people are buying dogs and it's a good way to meet your neighbors when they are out walking their dogs as well.
Most apartment complexes don't have a whole lot of open space for dogs, some villas might...basically the further outside the city you go the more space you will have. The higher priced places (say, $3,500 per month and up) may have more space in the city. Things change fast here and I haven't looked at apartments for 2 years and I was looking in the Hongqiao area (a little outside of downtown).
A license is about US$200 each year. Actually I think the first year it was less than $100 and this year more than $200 so who knows what it will be for next year.
If you're looking for a "nice, quiet neighborhood" then you definitely should look in Pudong. |
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BS
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Joined: Sep 12, 2007
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Dec 20, 2007 - 08:40 PM |
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Bluebag
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Joined: Sep 11, 2003
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Dec 21, 2007 - 09:18 AM |
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maneo
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Joined: May 12, 2007
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Location: in a gadda vida
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Dec 22, 2007 - 05:01 AM |
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Check with the airlines about transporting the dog.
Most airlines will not transport snub-nosed dogs and certain other breeds.
There are some good websites about trying to ship dogs.
Do a thorough web search (Google, etc.).
Assuming you can find an airline willing to transport your dog, the reference to Jialiang is a good one in general. Expect to pay lots of money.
We lived in an apartment complex in Puxi with a large garden area, so walking the dog was not a problem. Also lived in a company-provided living compound in Pudong -- even more room to roam. You need not limit yourself to a "villa," as the way-overpriced, single family homes here are called.
Obviously no time constraints if your apartment complex has a garden.
Be aware that not all dogs get along.
Never allow the dog to get out without being controlled on a leash.
There is a very wide spectrum of attitudes towards dogs.
Some people love dogs; others are seriously afraid.
Others eat them -- some very local restaurants still serve dog meat ("Xiang Rou").
By the way, you will not be able to convince people that are afraid to change no matter how lovable you think your mutt may be.
Be sure to get your dog licensed.
Non-licensed dogs will be immediately taken away if found -- no recourse.
Dog licenses are expensive in Puxi -- last I heard ~2-3K RMB/year.
Pudong was only 1K, but it may have gone up.
Not aware of any place within easy reach that you can hike, with or without a dog, but there are quite a few links for "Shanghai hiking" in Google you could check out. |
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maneo
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slackrz
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Dec 23, 2007 - 01:16 AM |
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One of my colleagues takes his... wait for it... golden lab (purchased here) to park in Gubei (I think it is) where his and other dogs run off-leash. He's on holiday so I can't ask the name of the park.
When our ayi can't care for our dog on holidays we board her at Shanghai PAW. They're great! A few years ago we boarded her maybe 5 times at Jialiang but she came down with a virus that our vet said 6 other dogs had came in for that same week. I just didn't trust their ability to keep my dog healthy because they don't check to see if vaccinations are up to date or things like that.
SCAA website talks about requirements for importing a dog. It mentions that the off-site quarantine can be as little as one week with the balance at your home. It also says there is no quarantine in Shanghai if there is transit via Hong Kong or Guangzhou.
Some other comments... We had a hard time finding a hotel that would allow our tiny dog to stay there. And we were surprised to find that some people would scream and run from our tiny dog who was on leash. We used to walk her in the French Concession area whenever we wanted to but I heard that we weren't supposed to. Police never said anything negative or looked cross. Never had a problem with her riding in a taxi either. Compounds in Pudong have more outdoor space. Perhaps somewhere like The Emerald would allow dogs off leash? They have a lot of green common area (football pitch, etc.) I saw a big dog in a common area off leash at Tiziano Villas. You can check prices on their websites.
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Nathalie25
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Joined: Aug 24, 2004
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Location: Shanghai
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Dec 26, 2007 - 11:04 AM |
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no cats and dogs they chase each other~~~~~~~~and this fair enough in here~~~~~ |
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mod5
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Joined: Oct 22, 2007
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Location: Behind the Wall
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Dec 26, 2007 - 04:24 PM |
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This is more like a"General Pets" area (dogs, cats, fish, snakes, etc.) |
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soochowlady
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Joined: Dec 30, 2007
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Location: Shanghai
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Dec 30, 2007 - 09:56 PM |
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Our Spaniel just returned home from the quarantine on Decmeber 21th. Everything went very well. China is not perfect but they are improving faster than we expect.
The Shanghai quarantnine is a fairly new facility - less than 2 years. They have vet there. The last thing the government want to deal is to have any accidents happended to foreigners' dog under their watch. The 7-day quarantine is not as bad as the rumor has said.
We moved from US and we used pet mover. When we select the pet mover, there was one mover gave us a price quote that included "extra fee" we can choose to pay extra to skip the 7 day quaratine. It was really temptated - who want their pets suffered? However, we decided not to keep "feeding" this culture. We chose another pet mover and let our dog went to quarantine to follow the local law. Of course, with a lot of prayers, too.  The local agent of the pet mover told us that the government would not want to mess up the quarantine management.
Maybe we are lucky, but like I say, China is improving. And as expats, the best policy is to not to mess up the local rules and laws. The worse strategy, in my opnion, is to join the gang together to continue feeding those improper cultures. It takes time. But we really can make things different.
We live in Skyline Mansion apartment. So far, we like here. We just learned that there will be another super skyscraper built across the street - bad or good? Our dog has been doing great - he needs some apartment-living training but he pick up quickly. We currently exercise him inside the compoud since he is doing his home quarantine. If your pets already have some behavioral issues in your home country, I would recomment you to think twice before you decide to bring them alone. China is not the best place for dogs. Many local Chinese do not understand dogs. Many of them do not like dogs or are very afraid of dogs.
I summary some points based our experience.
1. select a good pet mover to help your pets move if you can afford. It is very helpful and reduce a lot of stress. Our pet mover and local agent were very good at keeping us updated during the entire process. We knew what's going with our dog.
2. bring extra food/ supply/ medication before you can find new ones here. So far, I found out that the selections of pet food/ supply here seem to be very limited. People at the Naughty Family vet told me that it is becasue the importation restriction. I am not sure if it is true. However, so far, I have problems finding the kind of common pet food/ supply that we usually can easily get at the US PetsMart. Maybe, someone can consider run a really good pet store here. 
3. Make sure your pets are healthy and well trained. Having problem pets here is not a good thing. They do not respect pets the way we do in the western society
4. it is better to have someone in your family stay with the pets most of the time after they arrive new home to give them immediate cares , attention and tainings for at least 1 to 2 weeks. this will help your pets adjust quickly and would not develope new unwelcome behaviors.
I hope these are informative. Good luck to your move. |
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paradisekennel
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Joined: Dec 20, 2007
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Dec 31, 2007 - 02:14 PM |
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dog park: yes, there is an off-leash nice dog park in shanghai songjiang, it's even got a nice swimming dog pool, and totally free. Here's the website: www.paradisekennel.com.cn |
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leidelaohu
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Dec 31, 2007 - 02:41 PM |
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| One of my colleagues takes his... wait for it... golden lab (purchased here) ... |
I believe it (the "purchased here" part.) Labradors are black. Golden retrievers are yellow. Different breed ... except in China, where they kind of mix-and-match whatever they can get their hands on. |
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Wavy Davey
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Jan 09, 2008 - 02:13 AM |
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All, thanks a lot for your detailed responses. I will be sure to use this information on my fact finding / home search visit to Shanghai next week. |
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G3
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Jan 09, 2008 - 02:17 PM |
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I think having your dog with you in Shanghai is better than missing your dog at home, although there maybe a bit of hassle it is worth it  |
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dfoo
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Jan 09, 2008 - 04:18 PM |
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Good food is available but expensive. I was using IAMS before but it's hard to find for large breeds and about US $100 for a big bag. I now use Royal Canine which is very widely available but now costs like $120 for 10 kg or something.... |
Let me guess your Ayi is buying your dog food for you? Here is a hint if you don't know where to go buy the food at a decent price check taobao Its nowhere near $100 USD for either. A casual search found 15kg bags of IAMS for 340 RMB, and 17kg bags of Royal Canin for 460 RMB. |
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meteorleft
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Jan 16, 2008 - 11:44 AM |
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Cats are smaller, but smarter...independent.
Dogs are loveable, but smell like shite. Don't get 'em wet.
Please pick up their shite. It's respectable. Those plastic bags
go where???
Dogs chase frisbees, sticks and cats. They are fun to play with.
They bark very loudly. Cats are snobby. Dogs know their place.
Dogs are like kids......know what you're getting into.
Cats are like siblings.....fighting for space. |
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