When / Will it ever change ?
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ThomasCaron
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Jan 11, 2008 - 03:14 AM |
 
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Whole lot of racism here. Go root your snout someplace else if you're so superior. |
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TAISHAN - GENERALLY SPEAKING, I COULDN"T AGREED WITH YOU MORE ON YOUR OPINION AND OBSERVATION ABOUT mainland CHINESE, CULTURAL REVOLUTION, ETC...
The only reason I could stand being here for 2 more years is knowing that I can go home after my contract is done. |
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Froginwell
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Jan 11, 2008 - 04:31 AM |
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| woaishanghai07 wrote: |
Well that's cool.
I suppose at the end of the day the east is the east and the west is the west, that's just the way things are in China. Chinese coming over to England must have big problems with how rude people are and how much they love to drink and how lazy they are and so many other things too.
I'm in England at the moment and planning on going back to China soon, if I didn't like China then I wouldn't go back, but these things are gonna piss me off and you'll probably see quite a few angry posts from me in the future complaining about the Chinese, but yeah it's just my way of venting. |
I am Chinese, one of the kind that you dislike. England is one of the major territory for our business, and I can tell you we have been cheated or lied to most by the English customers. Once, after they received 6 containers from us, they wanted to put in a claim of ₤8000 for re-boxing as according to them, the pallets crushed and all the boxes were broken. We asked for pictures to show the damage, and finally they admitted there were only 16 boxes (out of 2000) were broken. Another customer wanted to claim us based on labour ₤300/hr, and do you know any worker in England that makes that much? I can give you another 100 or more similar stories if you are interested. My point is such thing happens everywhere in the world... the only difference is if it happens in China, you call it CHEATING, and if it happens in the west, you call it BUSINESS SKILLS.
Don't give me wrong - I don't dislike the English at all. In fact, my best friend is one of my English customers, who has been doing the offshore purchase from China for a few years. During every trip to Shanghai, he tries hard to learn the culture and business manners here, to make friends with the people he needs to deal with, and of course he has been rewarded with the maximum help from all of us to make his (and his company's) business activity more successful!!!
For whatever reason that you come to China, there should be some motivation. Show the reasonable amount of respect to the local and be more friendly and tolarent will only benefit yourself. Most of the Chinese wouldn't be rude unless they were insulted. |
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mandy777
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Jan 11, 2008 - 09:25 AM |
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HaHa. Froginwell, I like you!! |
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SnappySammy
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Jan 11, 2008 - 09:40 AM |
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| mandy777 wrote: |
| HaHa. Froginwell, I like you!! |
So do I. My best friends are English. There food sucks, but the people are ok. |
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TheDudeAbides
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Jan 11, 2008 - 10:08 AM |
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What Froginwell says is true to a point, I mean we deal with complete ******* western customers on a weekly basis too, but I equate that more to the normal percentage of assholes who exist in each society anywhere in the world, as opposed to it being a cultural thing. I would add though that of our overseas customers, Chinese are still the hardest to do business with. My own boss (Chinese) groans every time a Chinese name pops up into our customer account. |
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TheDudeAbides
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Jan 11, 2008 - 10:11 AM |
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| maneo wrote: |
| TaiShan wrote: |
| yes i love china |
Judging from the vitriol spewed forth, I think not.
Most ungracious of a guest.
Keep in mind, this is what you (and the rest of us expats) are.
Just a guest. |
Yeah, we're guests, that's fine. But when they go to the west we hand them passports like candy, they're not guests but citizens. |
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SnappySammy
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Jan 11, 2008 - 10:26 AM |
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I don't know when you say we who we are. It's not easy for PRC citizens to get work visa's to US. We don't handout passports to anyone. There's a quota on Canadians coming to US to work. It's very difficult for Chinese to come to US. |
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leidelaohu
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Jan 11, 2008 - 10:44 AM |
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| TheDudeAbides wrote: |
| I would add though that of our overseas customers, Chinese are still the hardest to do business with. My own boss (Chinese) groans every time a Chinese name pops up into our customer account. |
Try India. Gag. |
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CK1
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Jan 11, 2008 - 11:12 AM |
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| leidelaohu wrote: |
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| I would add though that of our overseas customers, Chinese are still the hardest to do business with. My own boss (Chinese) groans every time a Chinese name pops up into our customer account. |
Try India. Gag. |
Hell yeah!
The total price is $15,000.
Can we get a 50% discount? Sorry no.
25%? No.
10%? No sorry we cannot budge on the price.
$100 discount? No.
$5? Dude......
Completely true story. |
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chingiskhan
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Jan 11, 2008 - 11:27 AM |
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CK1 - You don't need to add that it's a true story, I can well believe it!! |
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CK1
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Jan 11, 2008 - 11:45 AM |
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Haha its beggars belief sometimes... |
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TheDudeAbides
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Jan 11, 2008 - 11:50 AM |
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| I don't know when you say we who we are. It's not easy for PRC citizens to get work visa's to US. We don't handout passports to anyone. There's a quota on Canadians coming to US to work. It's very difficult for Chinese to come to US. |
Maybe not easy but it's the fact that it is possible. Besides, I don't know about numbers and figures but I do know that there are a LOT of Chinese who have been given citizenship in western countries. Not that I have a problem with that in principle (I myself was an immigrant to Australia at an early age) it's like I said before, the "guests" tag that some like to put on expats here is not reasonable, when it's such a one way street at the moment. |
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p1atl10
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Jan 11, 2008 - 12:49 PM |
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Maneo wrote:
"Most ungracious of a guest.
Keep in mind, this is what you (and the rest of us expats) are.
Just a guest."
Yes we are guests. No argument there.
But I also pay 40% Income tax to the Chinese Government, do more to support the Chinese economy in terms of consumer spending than 99% of the Chinese citizens, and drop about USD $50,000 a year on the Air Transport and Hotel Industry for my business travel. My job is to help support and grow a Chinese registered diviion of my MNC....which employs about 5,000 Chinese citizens, and has annual revenues in excess of USD$1 Billion. Profits on which are taxed also of course.
And for this I do get treated at times quite rudely and like I do not belong here.
Which is fine....does not bother me.
And I try to always be unfailingly polite to ALL people no matter what the situation.
I like it here, I enjoy my job here, enjoy working with my Chinese colleaques...and will stay as long as they let me.
At times there seems to be a bit of "LaoWai" go home sentiment even on this board.
We may be guests....but a little consideration for the value we bring in that role would be an enexpected pleasure some days when I have been made to feel like an "unwanted" guest.
(Do not expect that to happen anytime soon though!  ) |
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SnappySammy
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Jan 11, 2008 - 01:01 PM |
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fugetaboutit lets go find a Carvel. |
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chingiskhan
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Jan 11, 2008 - 01:05 PM |
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| p1atl10 wrote: |
At times there seems to be a bit of "LaoWai" go home sentiment even on this board.
We may be guests....but a little consideration for the value we bring in that role would be an enexpected pleasure some days when I have been made to feel like an "unwanted" guest.
(Do not expect that to happen anytime soon though! ) |
The laowai go home sentiment is only from ignorant locals who often misinterpret the meaning of comments made here as well as being clueless about the impact of our contribution to the Chinese economy and its development.
I love it here and I love the people here. I still have frustrations as I did when I lived in my home country - and sometimes need to express those frustrations with others who have experienced the same thing which is why I post here on SH EXPAT - it doesn't mean I hate England or China. |
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dsugg
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Jan 11, 2008 - 01:22 PM |
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| CK1 wrote: |
| leidelaohu wrote: |
| TheDudeAbides wrote: |
| I would add though that of our overseas customers, Chinese are still the hardest to do business with. My own boss (Chinese) groans every time a Chinese name pops up into our customer account. |
Try India. Gag. |
Hell yeah!
The total price is $15,000.
Can we get a 50% discount? Sorry no.
25%? No.
10%? No sorry we cannot budge on the price.
$100 discount? No.
$5? Dude......
Completely true story. |
Oh - Froginwell made everyone feel bad for picking on Chinese, so now we are picking on the Indians,,,
Thank you, come again |
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p1atl10
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Jan 11, 2008 - 02:11 PM |
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fugetaboutit lets go find a Carvel.
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Diner! Have not had a good veal piccatta in years! |
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NCD22
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Jan 11, 2008 - 02:43 PM |
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Wow! Amazing to see that this thread is still going...
Great point about the Expats contributing so much...There was an article a few years back that was all about how the expats are directly responsible for some insanely high percentage (3/4 I think it was) of the personal income tax paid in Shanghai, apart from the fact that expats (including Taiwanese) are only about 5% of the total Shanghai population (1 million expats;22 million locals). Not sure if that says more about how much more expats are paid, how little locals actually report their earnings and pay taxes, or how bent the tax system is against Expats...
Anyways, things are going well, me and the missus will most likely be leaving soon...Just about had enough... |
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underh20
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Jan 11, 2008 - 03:38 PM |
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| TheDudeAbides wrote: |
| SnappySammy wrote: |
| I don't know when you say we who we are. It's not easy for PRC citizens to get work visa's to US. We don't handout passports to anyone. There's a quota on Canadians coming to US to work. It's very difficult for Chinese to come to US. |
Maybe not easy but it's the fact that it is possible. Besides, I don't know about numbers and figures but I do know that there are a LOT of Chinese who have been given citizenship in western countries. Not that I have a problem with that in principle (I myself was an immigrant to Australia at an early age) it's like I said before, the "guests" tag that some like to put on expats here is not reasonable, when it's such a one way street at the moment. |
Actually, it is much, much easier for Chinese people to immigrate to the US & Canada than it is for an American or Canadian to immigrate to China. |
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NCD22
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Jan 11, 2008 - 03:54 PM |
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Agree. When they first issued the statement that Green Cards were available to foreigners I was quite impressed, that is until they published the list of who was getting them! Basically, if you are a Nobel Prize winner and/or the president/CEO of a Fortune 500 company, you can get one. Other than that, no frickin chance...In actuality, you have roughly a 1 in a Billion chance whereas for a Chinese to emigrate or just flat become an illegal alien in the US is exponentially easier. |
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underh20
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Jan 11, 2008 - 03:59 PM |
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| Agree. When they first issued the statement that Green Cards were available to foreigners I was quite impressed, that is until they published the list of who was getting them! Basically, if you are a Nobel Prize winner and/or the president/CEO of a Fortune 500 company, you can get one. Other than that, no frickin chance...In actuality, you have roughly a 1 in a Billion chance whereas for a Chinese to emigrate or just flat become an illegal alien in the US is exponentially easier. |
I'd say the odds are more realistically at something like 1 in 2,000 or something close to that.
Getting a green card in the US has got to be much, much easier. |
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NCD22
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Jan 11, 2008 - 04:18 PM |
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I don't know...There aren't too many Nobel Prize winners running around the globe, neither are there that many Fortune 500 CEO's and Presidents...1 in 2000 is still freakishly difficult, but that would apply to the Chinese getting a US green card, not the other way around...Besides, look at how many locals marry Americans and go home with them...Even if you marry a local Chinese they don't fork over a green card and it certainly doesn't help you get a Z visa/residence permit... |
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KELLA
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Jan 11, 2008 - 04:35 PM |
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nobody stay here if they dont like it except those who want to punish themselves. |
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yu888
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Jan 11, 2008 - 04:49 PM |
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| KELLA wrote: |
| nobody stay here if they dont like it except those who want to punish themselves. |
Obviously your Ignorance has no bounds.
你真有这么呆吗？？还是你英文不够好？
（are you really this ignorant or is it just your English is poor, and so we are misunderstanding?) |
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