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StMichael
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Not too sure about the accreditation, but SMIC is not an international school. It is actually a private local school, but with a very well-run international track preparing pupils for the AP. Am I right, Micah?  |
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Yes, it is a "private school." If you are seriously interested in knowing about accreditation, you should contact the school directly. |
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I see. When you see Jimmy, say hi to him for me!  |
sure, jimmy said hi too!
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Yes Michael, due to the fact that SMIC also has a Chinese track we fall under the jurisdiction of the Pudong Education Bureau as a private school. It's a technicality with a few interesting consequences.
As far as accreditation, I'm not sure. I'll have to ask the admin staff. |
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Can someone tell me whats the address of Shanghai United International School, Hong Qiao Campus? I couldnt find it in their website. any help would be appreciated
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It's been a while since this question was asked, but I think it is a good one. Does anyone know how Shanghai Singapore International School holds up in comparison to others? We just moved here (2 days ago!) but I've been researching schools for months now. I'm about to decide to send my 6-year-old daughter to SSIS, and I'm wondering why no one talks about this school - it is mostly Asian population and is a bilingual school with very good facilities, small student to teacher ratios.... and lowest price out of all international schools. So does anyone know something I'm missing about this??? Any info would be greatly appreciated!![/quote]
hi there,
I send my 14-year-old daughter to SSIS. she's been there for few years, but we'll move her to either SCIS or Yew Chung at Hong Qiao campuses. SSIS is a very by-the-book school, very little/limited activities for both students and parents, very strict with uniform (students are not allowed to wear their own coats) which I find very irritating because the coat they sell is not warm enough in harsh winter weather. The teachers are mostly Singaporean and Chinese. Frankly, I cannot wait to get my daughter out of there - I don't see much improvements in the school's policy and activities over the years. |
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StMichael
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And everytime I see a post on my school, I find myself having to respond.
Bagslover, may I ask if you have reflected this point to the new Headmaster of the school? I believe he may have some fresh ideas, and may be more receptive to parental input. I believe too (I'm from the other campus, so our policies may differ a bit) that your girl should be allowed to put on a down coat over her uniform when she is not indoors? Once indoors, it is not so cold actually.
May I also ask - you are moving her to SCIS or YCIS not because you want their curriculum model but because you are dissatisfied with the current school, yes? |
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Have anyone heard of Shanghai Jin Cai High School's International Division? It is located in Ting Xiang Road in Pudong.
How is this school rated amongst the international schools in Shanghai? Heard that the high local school of Jin Cai is a good and popular school in Shanghai.
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hautumncloud
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I am asking m o d to move this back to "Family" section where all the school questions/answers normally are. I doubt any of us here come to "best of SH" to find out about international schools. |
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can anyone give me some comments about Fudan International High school? |
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I guess all schools here have that culture, whether or not it is an international school or a local school. is it a local culture? |
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traveller22
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As an experienced teacher in Shanghai (at the SMIC Private School) with familiarity with many of the other international schools, here is my breakdown of schools with truly western curriculum (to the best of my objective abilities)
Best Overall (Puxi): Shanghai American School (SAS) - Puxi Campus
There is a reason why this is the most difficult school to get into. They have a large waiting list because this school is the nearest thing you can get to a well-rounded, American curriculum. The management and facilities are top-notch. With a sprawling campus, SAS feels like a unique American retreat isolated from the rest of China - not unlike the gated communities for expats in the middle east. If you want your child to emulate the exact same lifestyle as he/she had in your home country (especially USA) and price is not an issue, then this is your first choice.
- drawbacks -
Price: USD20,000, distance from city center, long waiting lists, "wild" upperclassmen
Best Overal (Pudong): Concordia International School
A great management team with that creates a positive, structured curriculum. Much smaller than SAS, the school has a excellent facilities, and the entire campus (a beautiful, quaint office-building architecture) is hooked up to wireless Internet (all students are required to purchase a laptop for classes). It is a Lutheran based school, so there is more moral structure for the students (student uniforms, strong values educations). Smaller class sizes also help individualize learning. Also based upon an American curriculum, they offer nearly all the standard electives and college counseling as SAS Puxi.
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Price: USD21,000, distance from city center, a relatively new school with a limited tradition of academic excellence for colleges (not that they aren't building one)
Best Value: SMIC Private School
A even mix of experienced and young, well-educated admin and staff (Yale, Stanford, Northwestern, UPenn, Cornell, Oxford, Harvard), small class sizes and the lowest price among schools using British or American curriculum (around USD6000, including 'management' fees). Has a unique bilingual structure with a completely American and completely Chinese curriculum under one roof (each student chooses one, but not both). Short waiting lists and a more sheltered social life. 2006 Middle/High School principal was Dean of Foreign Language department at Phillips Academy. *Finally, it has an award-winning student newspaper, the only true newspaper among int'l schools in Shanghai (okay, that's my bias: I was the faculty advisor!).
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Distance from city center, functional but sparce, spartan campus and facilities. limited activities and electives. No academic tradition for colleges (first graduating class will be in 2006). Chinese-style cafeteria foods and small student population often has high schoolers in constant complaint. High faculty turnover rate. Sheltered student social life. Only accredited in China as of now (Chinese govt ceased giving new int'l school licenses in 2002)
Others -Why Yew Chung Gubei best location?
Best Location: Yew Chung International School (YCIS) Gubei Campus
Best Chinese Language immersion - SMIC Private School/Shanghai High School-International Division (SHS-ID)/YCIS
Most Beautiful Campus: Shanghai American School (SAS) Pudong (next to the ocean, but very, very far from city center)
Best Academic Tradition: SAS Puxi
Best Athletics and Activities: SAS Puxi
Biggest: SAS Puxi
Smallest: Livingston American School
Worst (Objectively, really): SHS-ID
My experience with SHS students is this: It has too many apathetic local teachers and little to no supervision on the students. Students can go there for 8 years without basic English skills. Non-existent college counseling and planning. This is where excellent students struggle to create a college path by themselves, good students become average, average students go bad, and bad students commit crimes. Really. My understanding is that the management is purely Chinese aparitchik, and all the money from the large International Division used for its excellent Chinese track. Oh, and foreign students are not allowed into the Chinese track. You can get a good immersion in Chinese here, but only because so many 'international' students don't speak English at all. Meanwhile students learn how to sleep in class, ditch school, go nightclubbing, and worse.
One Last Note
On a personal level, I did graduate from what many consider the best international school in Asia - The Taipei American School. Great location in the heart of the city, top-notch academic reputation (5-10 Ivy League/Stanford enrollments a year). To this day they only charge around USD$14,000 per annum. And it is in a much more expensive country, with much less competition from any other int'l schools. So why do most of the Int'l schools in Shanghai charge so much? And all nearly hovering around USD20,000? It's almost like a backroom conspiracy, if I were prone to believe in that stuff. You would think someone would start to drive the market value down. |
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HappyMG
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Hello everybody and thanks for all the great advice on schools in Shanghai!
We have recently been bummed out about the school situation for our daughter. As a family without an expat package in Shanghai, we've been kind of struggling financially to provide a good education for our kid. That's why having a bi-lingual and half-price "international" school open practically next door to us was a dream come true!
We visited the school, and although it did seem like a toned down version of the previous occupant of the same premises, SCIS, it looked promising.
The local girl showing us around school had an OK level of English, but couldn't really answer many questions regaring curriculum, nor could she show us any text-books that the school was teaching by (apparently, the only book there was for each subject was being used by the teacher in the classroom...). Oh well, when your options are limited, you're willing to forgive many things. So, according to this admission girl, our daughter, who is supposed to be a third-grader next year, would have no problem getting a seat in the YK Pao school. There was going to be an interview, of course, and we would be notified about the exact date.
And that was the last time we heard from the school.
I had to call a few times to find out the date of the Introduction meeting, each time getting a different date (mostly because the 5th and 15th were pronounced exactly the same by the admission girl).
We did manage to attend this meeting in mid-March. The grandson of The Big YK Pao was there to answer many questions from doubting parents. He did a good job, and we were quite persuaded.
Once again we were reassured there would enough seats for the third grade next year and were told the interviews were to be held on 22 April.
We were expecting a confirmation call from the school about the exact time of the interview for our daughter, but it just never came. So I called, and what do you think I hear? Turns out, the school has decided not to open an additional third grade next year, because there were only 5 applicants, which meant that we would have nearly NO chance of getting a seat at this school. The decision was taken already at the end of March, and the fact that by April 18 we were not notified of that decision is making me SO mad! I am quite sure the parents of the other 4 applicants were forgotten as well... I demanded that the person in charge of admissions would call me back and explain the situation. Yeah, right. After waiting for almost a whole day, we called back again and the answer was: Look for a different school... Oh, and yes, we're sorry!
How much more unprofessional, disorganized and irresponsible can a school get? Especially the one just starting out and trying to make a good name in Shanghai?
We are now in a serious pickle, having to start all over again and find a good option to educate our child in this over-priced city!
Maybe I'm overreacting, but as a parent of a great little girl, I just feel like I have to warn other parents about this school, while seriously hoping they would get their s...t (sorry, act) together and prove they are a quality education establishment they are advertising to be! |
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HappyMG
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Hello everybody and thanks for all the great advice on schools in Shanghai!
We have recently been bummed out about the school situation for our daughter. As a family without an expat package in Shanghai, we've been kind of struggling financially to provide a good education for our kid. That's why having a bi-lingual and half-price "international" school open practically next door to us was a dream come true!
We visited the school, and although it did seem like a toned down version of the previous occupant of the same premises, SCIS, it looked promising.
The local girl showing us around school had an OK level of English, but couldn't really answer many questions regaring curriculum, nor could she show us any text-books that the school was teaching by (apparently, the only book there was for each subject was being used by the teacher in the classroom...). Oh well, when your options are limited, you're willing to forgive many things. So, according to this admission girl, our daughter, who is supposed to be a third-grader next year, would have no problem getting a seat in the YK Pao school. There was going to be an interview, of course, and we would be notified about the exact date.
And that was the last time we heard from the school.
I had to call a few times to find out the date of the Introduction meeting, each time getting a different date (mostly because the 5th and 15th were pronounced exactly the same by the admission girl).
We did manage to attend this meeting in mid-March. The grandson of The Big YK Pao was there to answer many questions from doubting parents. He did a good job, and we were quite persuaded.
Once again we were reassured there would enough seats for the third grade next year and were told the interviews were to be held on 22 April.
We were expecting a confirmation call from the school about the exact time of the interview for our daughter, but it just never came. So I called, and what do you think I hear? Turns out, the school has decided not to open an additional third grade next year, because there were only 5 applicants, which meant that we would have nearly NO chance of getting a seat at this school. The decision was taken already at the end of March, and the fact that by April 18 we were not notified of that decision is making me SO mad! I am quite sure the parents of the other 4 applicants were forgotten as well... I demanded that the person in charge of admissions would call me back and explain the situation. Yeah, right. After waiting for almost a whole day, we called back again and the answer was: Look for a different school... Oh, and yes, we're sorry!
How much more unprofessional, disorganized and irresponsible can a school get? Especially the one just starting out and trying to make a good name in Shanghai?
We are now in a serious pickle, having to start all over again and find a good option to educate our child in this over-priced city!
Maybe I'm overreacting, but as a parent of a great little girl, I just feel like I have to warn other parents about this school, while seriously hoping they would get their s...t (sorry, act) together and prove they are a quality education establishment they are advertising to be! |
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88807
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Happy MG im sure this was an unfortunate clerical problem, and Id be frustrated to, but it is a very good school.
I see that traveller22 has put that summary up that jys 390 wrote about schools in Shanghai. I weighed in on that comment previously, if I recall.
I think the idea that there is a "best school" is a little msileading. Ima parent, and also a teacher at SHSID. So I have to think about what school Id send my kid to, and I also am a school teacher with a few years experience.
First, choosing a school is not liking buying a car. When you buy a product you have a list of standard features that you can objectively benchmark, and get a clear picture of whats best for you. Usually there is a consensus on what is a good product. Most people would agree, for example, that a Mercedes is the right car to buy if you have the money.
Schools arent cars. Even if "x" school has better buildings, this doesnt make it the right school for your child. Each international school in Shanghai is actually trying to do quite different things. Rather than finding the "best school", you need to be looking for the school that squares up with what you want from a school.
I have friends and colleagues who teach in various international schools in Shanghai, and I have taught at a couple. Ive heard good things and bad things about all these schools, so you really have to decide if what the school is trying to do suits you and your child. SAS is trying to give students a US style education, and it focuses on English. If you are American and want a good American private school education, this is definately the way to go.
I want my kid to go to a pretty normal school, a school that doesnt have a private school feel about it, and I want him to learn really good Chinese (we are in China for a long period, so that makese sense for us, and we speak English at home). I also want a really nice environemnt, and my son to mix with Asian expats becasue when we move away form here, he will have a lot of contact with western kids. So if I were enrolling my kid in highschool today, Id choose SHSID (SMIC would be a contender to). I would make this choice even if it wasnt the school i work at. Its got beautiful grounds, the facilities are pretty good, it has a good Chiense program and the local staff all speak really great English. If this is not what you want, then its not the school for you.
There were some silly comments made by jys300 about SHSID that just dont warrent even a comment. Every school has teenagers in the back of a class doing their best to goof off! Thats what being in highschool is for some kids, the battle against the teacher to do work This is very normal.
I think when you choose schools you need to find out what they do, what is their vision, and decide what you want. I couldnt send my kid to SAS becasue I wouldnt want him studying for SAT exams, which in my opinion are extremely dubious. But if thats what you want, its a perfect fit. |
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crystal_lss
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Hello everybody and thanks for all the great advice on schools in Shanghai!
We have recently been bummed out about the school situation for our daughter. As a family without an expat package in Shanghai, we've been kind of struggling financially to provide a good education for our kid. That's why having a bi-lingual and half-price "international" school open practically next door to us was a dream come true!
We visited the school, and although it did seem like a toned down version of the previous occupant of the same premises, SCIS, it looked promising.
The local girl showing us around school had an OK level of English, but couldn't really answer many questions regaring curriculum, nor could she show us any text-books that the school was teaching by (apparently, the only book there was for each subject was being used by the teacher in the classroom...). Oh well, when your options are limited, you're willing to forgive many things. So, according to this admission girl, our daughter, who is supposed to be a third-grader next year, would have no problem getting a seat in the YK Pao school. There was going to be an interview, of course, and we would be notified about the exact date.
And that was the last time we heard from the school.
I had to call a few times to find out the date of the Introduction meeting, each time getting a different date (mostly because the 5th and 15th were pronounced exactly the same by the admission girl).
We did manage to attend this meeting in mid-March. The grandson of The Big YK Pao was there to answer many questions from doubting parents. He did a good job, and we were quite persuaded.
Once again we were reassured there would enough seats for the third grade next year and were told the interviews were to be held on 22 April.
We were expecting a confirmation call from the school about the exact time of the interview for our daughter, but it just never came. So I called, and what do you think I hear? Turns out, the school has decided not to open an additional third grade next year, because there were only 5 applicants, which meant that we would have nearly NO chance of getting a seat at this school. The decision was taken already at the end of March, and the fact that by April 18 we were not notified of that decision is making me SO mad! I am quite sure the parents of the other 4 applicants were forgotten as well... I demanded that the person in charge of admissions would call me back and explain the situation. Yeah, right. After waiting for almost a whole day, we called back again and the answer was: Look for a different school... Oh, and yes, we're sorry!
How much more unprofessional, disorganized and irresponsible can a school get? Especially the one just starting out and trying to make a good name in Shanghai?
We are now in a serious pickle, having to start all over again and find a good option to educate our child in this over-priced city!
Maybe I'm overreacting, but as a parent of a great little girl, I just feel like I have to warn other parents about this school, while seriously hoping they would get their s...t (sorry, act) together and prove they are a quality education establishment they are advertising to be! |
Hi! I also had the same experience like you. But I applied P2/Grade 2. Last December, I sent the enquire for Grade 2 in this Sept., The answer was you better to come by the end of Jan 08 as they held the assessment at that moment. One week before our flight, I got the message from them that the assessment was held for the second term of the school year 07-08. And they don't willing to make any special arrangement for the family who are not living in Shanghai yet even though they are the one to request us to go there for interivew.
My feeling of this school is bad mess in the administration. If you willing to pay RMB8000.00per month, you also have other choice like SHS(Shanghai High School) and SSIC (Singapore Int. School).
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Our daughter attends REGO International and very happy with the school and so are we..
I know most of the schools can give you are break on the fees IF you are on a limited bugdet. Its nothing they usually tell people but they do know what not everyone is on an expat package. |
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88807
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YKPao is actually a really good school, and completely different in character to SSIS or SHSID. If you want a more innovative and student centred approach to learning, and truely bilingual at primary level, then YKPao is a good choice.
It may have some admin problems, but what they do in the classrooms is really good. I say that as a teacher. |
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88807
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Ive heard good things about REGO to. |
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HappyMG
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Apr 25, 2008 - 10:38 PM |
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Hello everyone and thanks for your opinions!
Like I said, I was only trying to warn other parents
about the organizational issues with YK Pao. Considering the waiting
lists in so many schools, not telling the parents their child isn't
accepted for whatever reason means risking this child being left out
of the school completely! In my opinion, no good educator could possibly defend that kind of neglect!
And since I wasn't even shown the text books YK Pao is using, nor was I ever allowed to attend a class there, it's actually very difficult for me to judge what they do in their classrooms. What I do know, is that most important subjects,
like math and science are actually only taught in Chinese! The rest, like music, art and PE are taught in English...
Seems rather easy and probably doesn't require that much academic proficiency from the foreign teachers, wouldn't you agree? Great way to save some money...
And in response to 88807:
I did happen to visit the SHSID just recently, and I am sorry to say that I was completely disappointed when I saw the level of knowledge and especially the level of English of the students there (their work was displayed on the walls outside the classrooms, and the level of the 5th grade was somewhat comparable to that of the kids in 2nd grade in SCIS...). There were uncorrected (!) spelling and grammar mistakes, which no teacher could have or should have possibly missed, and yet, there were neat little greetings from the teacher on top of each presented book report: "Well done! Good job!"
Seriously???
I'm not sure where most of the kids in SHSID are from (I was told the school has 2000 foreign students or so), those I saw were 100% Asian kids, which doesn't matter of course, but what does matter is the incredibly low level of their English skills, which just makes one wonder...
And honestly, after reading your reply, 88807, I'm suddenly not so surprised anymore... (I don't mean to sound like a b...ch, so please don't take it the wrong way, but if you're writing as a teacher, you really could put in at least a slight effort...)
And back to the original topic, we're still looking for a school for our child, and still no closer to making a decision... |
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StMichael
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Apr 25, 2008 - 10:46 PM |
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HappyMG,
I believe my school (Shanghai Singapore International School) is out of your budget, but have you considered SMIC school in Pudong? It has garnered a couple of good reviews so far. |
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HappyMG
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Apr 25, 2008 - 10:56 PM |
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Thanks, Michael! Unfortunaltely, we live in Puxi, and not planning to move to Pudong any time soon...
There hasn't been that many clear reviews of Shanghai United school, any fresh opinions from your side?
And, by any chance, does your school offer any tuition assistance to parents who pay from their own pocket?
Just curious |
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StMichael
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HappyMG,
One of my friends transferred her kids from my school to SUIS (due to school fees) and she is very happy with the school so far. I know that pupils have a choice of Math being taught in English or in Chinese, and English is taught at native standard, in English (unlike the local schools, where English is taught in Chinese).
My previous paragraph would have given a hint on how possible (or even plausible) it is to get tuition assistance. |
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HappyMG
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Thanks again We're definitely going to check out SUIS as soon as possible!
The fact that kids have a choice of language for subjects like Math and Science is actually a big deal for me! That was the one thing that had me doubting the YK Pao to start with: Math and Science are only taught in Chinese and by local teachers. Our family is quite multilingual, we're both non-native English speakers and we both can speak decent Chinese, but I seriously doubt we could be of any help to our child with her Math and Science tasks in Chinese! She wouldn't have a chance against the local kids in her class, and not because her Math skills would be worse, but simply because she wouldn't know what the task was! And that's just not fair!
So I guess everything is for the best!
Thanks for your input and honesty, Michael! |
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