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BEIJING (AFP) - Senior Olympic officials Tuesday raised the prospect for the first time of abandoning the international legs of the Beijing Games torch relay, amid a wave of prοtests targeting the flame overseas.
The torch relay for Beijing and future Games will be reviewed at a meeting of International Olympic Committee chiefs in the Chinese capital beginning on Thursday, Gunilla Lindberg, a vice president of the IOC, told reporters here.
"I am sure it will be discussed. I think we need to have a full review," Lindberg told reporters when asked if she thought the IOC could scrap the overseas legs of the Beijing torch relay.
Another IOC vice president, Thomas Bach, also said the issue would be on the agenda but voiced his hope the relay would continue.
"I believe we might have this discussion but I think we should not bow to this violence," Bach said.
Other senior IOC officials who are in Beijing to prepare for the August Games spoke bitterly of the demonstrations in Paris, London and elsewhere that have marred China's efforts to stage the most ambitious torch relay ever.
"All I can say is we are desperately disappointed," IOC board member Kevan Gosper told reporters, acknowledging the torch relay had become an opportunity for activists around the world to air grievances about China.
"They just take their hate out on whatever the issues are at the time, and that hate against the host country is being taken out on our torch."
Beijing Games organisers are trying to stage the longest and most dramatic Olympic torch relay of all time, visiting 19 countries plus China during a 137,000-kilometre (85,000-mile) journey.
However campaigners trying to raise publicity about Beijing's controversial rule of t¡bet and a wide range of other human rights issues surrounding China have shadowed the flame from the moment it was lit in Greece on March 24.
On Monday, the torch relay had to be dramatically cut short in Paris due to disruptions by hundreds of campaigners protesting over t¡bet, media freedoms and other issues.
Widespread prοtests also disrupted the previous day's leg in London, while activists have promised more of the same in San Francisco on Wednesday and later in Australia, India, Thailand, Japan and elsewhere.
In China, the torch is also scheduled to include controversial legs up Mount Everest, the world's highest peak, and through t¡bet.
China's rule of the remote Himalayan region is particularly in the spotlight because of defiant unrest by t¡betans, who say they have suffered widespread repression during nearly six decades living under the Chinese.
Beijing has responded to the prοtests in t¡bet and other areas of western China over the past month with a massive security crackdown that t¡betan exile leaders say has left more than 150 people dead.
China has denied those claims, instead saying t¡betan "rioters" have killed 20 people.
China's foreign ministry on Tuesday angrily denounced the prοtests in Europe against the torch relay as "sabotage" by t¡betan separatists and called for the flame to be respected.
"The disruption and sabotage of the torch relay is a challenge to the spirit of the Olympic charter, the world laws, and peace-loving people around the world," ministry spokeswoman Jiang Yu said.
With prοtests shadowing the flame, Gosper and other IOC officials said they would discuss whether to completely abandon the concept of taking the torch around the world for future Games.
Gosper said the IOC might prefer a return to a more modest relay programme which would see the torch lit in Greece and then transferred to the host country, which would then stage a purely domestic relay.
"I am a firm believer that we had the right template in the first place, that the torch should go from Olympia, Greece to the host country," he said.
That model was used up until the Sydney Games in 2000, when the relay for the first time took on a more international flavour.
British IOC member Craig Reedie said London had yet to decide on a plan for its 2012 relay, but the chaos surrounding the Beijing version would influence the decision.
"We have not made any decision about the relay," he told reporters here. "Now is probably not the best time to start planning it."
A spokesman for the organisers of the Beijing Games, Sun Weide, insisted the Olympic torch relay would continue "with the support of people all over the world."
"No force can stop the torch relay of the Beijing Games," he said.
Highlighting the confusion the prοtests have caused among Olympic chiefs, IOC spokeswoman Giselle Davies said there were currently no plans to scrap the torch relay.
"I can tell you clearly today that we expect the torch relay to continue as scheduled," she said. |
Plus some added history about how the torch "relay" began:
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"The modern convention of moving the Olympic Flame via a relay system from Olympia to the Olympic venue began with the 1936 Summer Olympics in Berlin, Germany.
The relay, captured in Leni Riefenstahl's film, "Olympia", was part of the Nazi propaganda machine’s attempt to add myth and mystique to Adolf Hitler’s regime. Hitler saw the link with the ancient Games as the perfect way to illustrate his belief that classical Greece was an Aryan forerunner of the modern German Reich." |
I didn't know the history of the relay until recently. I wonder if I'd even bother keeping up with the news about it if I wasn't living in Shanghai. Can't say the Olympics are high priority news item for me. |
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Its quite big news right now. The prοtests in London, Paris and San Francisco have been much larger than I would have imagined.
The IOC isn't likely to stop the torch relay. China has already threatened that it will not happen. It was some gov't official and some angry dragon looking lady translator. Its almost comical how these people go about things, it just continues to anger people more and more and the prοtests just get bigger in each city.
They covered the Golden gate bridge in SF with a message mocking the Beijing Olympic slogan
I guess people are sick of this bullying nation of China forcing its ideals on the world. Thank God people are free to prοtest in other nations and bring light to the issues in China.
By the way, they had this girl on the news from San Francisco. She was the leader or member of the Students for a Free t¡bet movement in SF. She is an absolute babe!!!
I would assume this will cause Frenchlover to change his stance now. |
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ppl are sick of the bullying nation of the US and UK forcing its ideals on the world ! |
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100,000 overseas chinese will support and protect the torch relay in SF. |
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"I guess people are sick of this bullying nation of China forcing its ideals on the world. "
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Dude, did you actually read what you post?
FORCING IT'S IDEALS ON THE WORLD?
Is that a joke?
Forcing it like invading and stealing Iraq? Like sponsoring coup d'etats in half the world?
Like sponsoring terrorism in several countries (including China)?
Man, you completely, thoroughly lost it.
I do understand needing to logically justify your emotional feelings towards China, but I guess the irrationality has its limits. |
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| They covered the Golden gate bridge in SF with a message mocking the Beijing Olympic slogan |
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"I guess people are sick of this bullying nation of China forcing its ideals on the world. "
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Dude, did you actually read what you post?
FORCING IT'S IDEALS ON THE WORLD?
Is that a joke?
Forcing it like invading and stealing Iraq? Like sponsoring coup d'etats in half the world?
Like sponsoring terrorism in several countries (including China)?
Man, you completely, thoroughly lost it.
I do understand needing to logically justify your emotional feelings towards China, but I guess the irrationality has its limits. |
Lost it? I was discussing China and you start talking about your views on the USA.
You haven't left China in 3 years or more mate. I am telling you people are truly sick of the Chinese PR and how they handle things.
People in the West are 10x more media savvy then Chinese. You think when some Dragon lady bitch comes on TV and calls all the prοtesters names and that they are threatened peaceful people everywhere that it just doesn't make more people want to prοtest.
You really have no idea. Do you think if when the LA riots happened, had the police ran what essentially has been a martial law campaign arresting and detaining anyone they felt, killing people without reporting it and banning the media or international rights groups from observing that there wouldnt have been 10x the prοtests and riots.
No, even that dude who was pulled from his truck in LA at the time and beat on camera came back and said he understood the rioters anger and forgave them. Do you think any Han are coming on TV and saying they forgive the t¡betans because they know what a sh1t deal they got from the CHinese gov't and now its people?
Chinese can't even accept that t¡betans are RIOTING and killing Chinese in the streets. Why do you think this is? Because they love Chinese and all the wonderful things they have done for t¡bet. Give me a break. |
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| ppl are sick of the bullying nation of the US and UK forcing its ideals on the world ! |
Yeah, some are, which is why there are constantly prοtest, and elections and diplomatic relations to handle these things.
Which is why an overwhelming amount of the world leaders have told the Chinese leaders to get their act together and start engaging the Dali 1ama and grant t¡bet more human rights. |
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Anyway, the fcuk headed moderators will likely delete this thread too. You chicken sh1ted low life scum.
Have some balls and let people discuss and debate issues. Or are you going to cave to the small c0cked gov't censors your whole lives. |
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Why you say many bad word to China? Maybe you are too crazy and drink too many wine. If you do not like China then you go. Back your own America country. *******! Bad man! Animal! |
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In the facilitation of discussion and debate, since when has it become a requisite to call people all sorts of names?
At the end of the day, we are all ENTITLED to our own opinions. |
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"Which is why an overwhelming amount of the world leaders have told the Chinese leaders to get their act together and start engaging the Dali 1ama and grant t¡bet more human rights."
Human rights like serfdom and slavery?
Yeah right.
I am sure the little tbtan plowing the field will love to become a slave again.
The whole thing is: perhaps the deal China handed to Tbt is not ideal in many aspects, but no one came up with a constructive outlook of how things should be. As always fuktards with little knowledge about the situation are good at talking about what they don't want (Han in Tbt) but bad at coming up with an alternative.
Tbt independent won't happen, just like Palestine won't happen either. The DL knows that, reason why he does not claim indp himself (not withstanding the fact that if there is any tightness in the situation the reason is his several diplomatic fk ups when dealing with the CCP, all well documented FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO DIG DEEPER IN THE ISSUE i.e. not the average tibt groupie without a fkng clue). |
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First off, show me the proof of serfdom and slavery. Then try to tell me that these things are somehow rare in human history. Chinese are classic slave drivers from day one. Indians in NA constantly took slaves and stole women.
The arguments are retarded. So if a society engaged in slavery and serfdom then the Chinese are right to move in, and mollify all the culture, install new gov't, control the people, take their religious leader, install their own religious leader?
Then you can easily.....and I mean easily.....defend just about any invasion on the planet.
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| The whole thing is: perhaps the deal China handed to Tbt is not ideal in many aspects, but no one came up with a constructive outlook of how things should be. As always fuktards with little knowledge about the situation are good at talking about what they don't want (Han in Tbt) but bad at coming up with an alternative. |
Why is it up to the fuktards, or you for that matter, to decide the alternative. How about this, let the t¡betans decide. Or maybe it is too far past that point, maybe the societies are too engrained which was the CCP plan all along right.
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| Tbt independent won't happen, just like Palestine won't happen either. The DL knows that, reason why he does not claim indp himself (not withstanding the fact that if there is any tightness in the situation the reason is his several diplomatic fk ups when dealing with the CCP, all well documented FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO DIG DEEPER IN THE ISSUE i.e. not the average tibt groupie without a fkng clue). |
Well, i don't know for sure. But societies that want independence, were willing to fight for it can achieve it. You might be thinking too short term. Its not going to happen this year but the road is usually longer than our lives. Personally, I dont know enough or haven't spoken with enough t¡betans, nor seen a vote on the issue to know if Independence is the best solution. How can you really know unless you do it. But I do know the will of the people should override the will of the CCP leaders. |
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In the facilitation of discussion and debate, since when has it become a requisite to call people all sorts of names?
At the end of the day, we are all ENTITLED to our own opinions. |
Around the same time it became okay to delete and censor people's written word, thoughts and beliefs within a sensible discussion.
Maybe you are not aware, HC and I have tried to discuss this in about 7 different threads now with the information being completely deleted.
That's the weakest thing of all. |
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"The arguments are retarded. So if a society engaged in slavery and serfdom then the Chinese are right to move in, and mollify all the culture, install new gov't, control the people, take their religious leader, install their own religious leader?
Then you can easily.....and I mean easily.....defend just about any invasion on the planet. |
Well, wasnt this what the US did in Iraq? They had a supposed bad guy that treated his people badly. The US decided this is bad and went in and we know how it ends, difference being that the US has NO BUSINESS in Iraq and t¡bet and China have been in a relationship for thousands of years.
(Notice that I am not even mentioning the lies and fabrication that they used to get this done, the EXACT SAME THING that most here claim China do...boohoo guess what hypocrites, everybody has been doing it forever).
Want to talk religious leaders? Well, Jerusalem, the 3rd most important Muslim city after Mecca and Medina is now a pretty tough place for Muslims to visit. Israel won it after 1967, together with large territories that multiplied Israel's original territory by 3 (until the Sinai was given back), and occupies it to this day. I am not even talking about the rest of the West Bank and the condition the Palestines there live in (much, much, much worse than the t¡betans, as has been very well documented).
How is that for you?
Is China better, worse or what, and if yes, why?
You see, the point is not T1bet, Palestine, Iraq, etc, etc. Nobody can point fingers here, most definitely not the US, not the West, basically nobody. Now, does that solve the problem? Not at all! What solves the problem is not exciting China in the way is most reactive to. China is not as open as the West and sending shock waves of criticism (many times unwarranted) will only HARM the poor t¡betan guy plowing the fields. What I am trying to say is that the West approach is COUNTER PRODUCTIVE.
Further, if you study the story of the whole incident and the sabotage promoted by America you will notice that China has its reasons to have the guard up. Up to 30 something years ago missions where flown with CIA trained agents to disrupt the PLA. Who knows what else is going on??
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Well, their religious leader in exile already decided: he doesn't want independence. Guess why?
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So you are a proponent of violence then?
True that violence is a language that doesnt need to be translated, but is this the way to move forward?
Now let's talk slavery and serfdom.
I am sure you will enjoy the reading.
Notice all the extensive use of references.
Happy reading.
By the way, this is a guy who would say Chomsky is a rightist so, in theory he would be all "free tbt" groupie, but he knows it better.
Friendly Feudalism: The T1bet Myth
(updated and expanded version, January 2007)
I. For Lords and Lamas
Along with the blood drenched landscape of religious conflict there is the experience of inner peace and solace that every religion promises, none more so than Buddhism. Standing in marked contrast to the intolerant savagery of other religions, Buddhism is neither fanatical nor dogmatic--so say its adherents. For many of them Buddhism is less a theology and more a meditative and investigative discipline intended to promote an inner harmony and enlightenment while directing us to a path of right living. Generally, the spiritual focus is not only on oneself but on the welfare of others. One tries to put aside egoistic pursuits and gain a deeper understanding of one’s connection to all people and things. “Socially engaged Buddhism” tries to blend individual liberation with responsible social action in order to build an enlightened society.
A glance at history, however, reveals that not all the many and widely varying forms of Buddhism have been free of doctrinal fanaticism, nor free of the violent and exploitative pursuits so characteristic of other religions. In Sri Lanka there is a legendary and almost sacred recorded history about the triumphant battles waged by Buddhist kings of yore. During the twentieth century, Buddhists clashed violently with each other and with non-Buddhists in Thailand, Burma, Korea, Japan, India, and elsewhere. In Sri Lanka, armed battles between Buddhist Sinhalese and Hindu Tamils have taken many lives on both sides. In 1998 the U.S. State Department listed thirty of the world’s most violent and dangerous extremist groups. Over half of them were religious, specifically Muslim, Jewish, and Buddhist. 1
In South Korea, in 1998, thousands of monks of the Chogye Buddhist order fought each other with fists, rocks, fire-bombs, and clubs, in pitched battles that went on for weeks. They were vying for control of the order, the largest in South Korea, with its annual budget of $9.2 million, its millions of dollars worth of property, and the privilege of appointing 1,700 monks to various offices. The brawls damaged the main Buddhist sanctuaries and left dozens of monks injured, some seriously. The Korean public appeared to disdain both factions, feeling that no matter what side took control, “it would use worshippers’ donations for luxurious houses and expensive cars.” 2
As with any religion, squabbles between or within Buddhist sects are often fueled by the material corruption and personal deficiencies of the leadership. For example, in Nagano, Japan, at Zenkoji, the prestigious complex of temples that has hosted Buddhist sects for more than 1,400 years, “a nasty battle” arose between Komatsu the chief priest and the Tacchu, a group of temples nominally under the chief priest's sway. The Tacchu monks accused Komatsu of selling writings and drawings under the temple's name for his own gain. They also were appalled by the frequency with which he was seen in the company of women. Komatsu in turn sought to isolate and punish monks who were critical of his leadership. The conflict lasted some five years and made it into the courts. 3
But what of T1betan Buddhism? Is it not an exception to this sort of strife? And what of the society it helped to create? Many Buddhists maintain that, before the Chinese crackdown in 1959, old T1bet was a spiritually oriented kingdom free from the egotistical lifestyles, empty materialism, and corrupting vices that beset modern industrialized society. Western news media, travel books, novels, and Hollywood films have portrayed the T1betan theocracy as a veritable Shangri-La. The da1a¡ 1ama himself stated that “the pervasive influence of Buddhism” in T1bet, “amid the wide open spaces of an unspoiled environment resulted in a society dedicated to peace and harmony. We enjoyed freedom and contentment.” 4
A reading of T1bet’s history suggests a somewhat different picture. “Religious conflict was commonplace in old T1bet,” writes one western Buddhist practitioner. “History belies the Shangri-La image of T1betan lamas and their followers living together in mutual tolerance and nonviolent goodwill. Indeed, the situation was quite different. Old T1bet was much more like Europe during the religious wars of the Counterreformation.” 5 In the thirteenth century, Emperor Kublai Khan created the first Grand 1ama, who was to preside over all the other lamas as might a pope over his bishops. Several centuries later, the Emperor of China sent an army into T1bet to support the Grand 1ama, an ambitious 25-year-old man, who then gave himself the title of da1a¡ (Ocean) 1ama, ruler of all T1bet.
His two previous 1ama “incarnations” were then retroactively recognized as his predecessors, thereby transforming the 1st da1a¡ 1ama into the 3rd da1a¡ 1ama. This 1st (or 3rd) da1a¡ 1ama seized monasteries that did not belong to his sect, and is believed to have destroyed Buddhist writings that conflicted with his claim to divinity. The da1a¡ 1ama who succeeded him pursued a sybaritic life, enjoying many mistresses, partying with friends, and acting in other ways deemed unfitting for an incarnate deity. For these transgressions he was murdered by his priests. Within 170 years, despite their recognized divine status, five da1a¡ Lamas were killed by their high priests or other courtiers. 6
For hundreds of years competing T1betan Buddhist sects engaged in bitterly violent clashes and summary executions. In 1660, the 5th da1a¡ 1ama was faced with a rebellion in Tsang province, the stronghold of the rival Kagyu sect with its high 1ama known as the Karmapa. The 5th da1a¡ 1ama called for harsh retribution against the rebels, directing the Mongol army to obliterate the male and female lines, and the offspring too “like eggs smashed against rocks…. In short, annihilate any traces of them, even their names.” 7
In 1792, many Kagyu monasteries were confiscated and their monks were forcibly converted to the Gelug sect (the da1a¡ 1ama’s denomination). The Gelug school, known also as the “Yellow Hats,” showed little tolerance or willingness to mix their teachings with other Buddhist sects. In the words of one of their traditional prayers: “Praise to you, violent god of the Yellow Hat teachings/who reduces to particles of dust/ great beings, high officials and ordinary people/ who pollute and corrupt the Gelug doctrine.” 8 An eighteenth-century memoir of a T1betan general depicts sectarian strife among Buddhists that is as brutal and bloody as any religious conflict might be. 9 This grim history remains largely unvisited by present-day followers of T1betan Buddhism in the West.
Religions have had a close relationship not only with violence but with economic exploitation. Indeed, it is often the economic exploitation that necessitates the violence. Such was the case with the T1betan theocracy. Until 1959, when the da1a¡ 1ama last presided over T1bet, most of the arable land was still organized into manorial estates worked by serfs. These estates were owned by two social groups: the rich secular landlords and the rich theocratic lamas. Even a writer sympathetic to the old order allows that “a great deal of real estate belonged to the monasteries, and most of them amassed great riches.” Much of the wealth was accumulated “through active participation in trade, commerce, and money lending.” 10
Drepung monastery was one of the biggest landowners in the world, with its 185 manors, 25,000 serfs, 300 great pastures, and 16,000 herdsmen. The wealth of the monasteries rested in the hands of small numbers of high-ranking lamas. Most ordinary monks lived modestly and had no direct access to great wealth. The da1a¡ 1ama himself “lived richly in the 1000-room, 14-story pοta⌊a Palace.” 11
Secular leaders also did well. A notable example was the commander-in-chief of the T1betan army, a member of the da1a¡ 1ama’s lay Cabinet, who owned 4,000 square kilometers of land and 3,500 serfs. 12 Old T1bet has been misrepresented by some Western admirers as “a nation that required no police force because its people voluntarily observed the laws of karma.” 13 In fact. it had a professional army, albeit a small one, that served mainly as a gendarmerie for the landlords to keep order, protect their property, and hunt down runaway serfs.
Young T1betan boys were regularly taken from their peasant families and brought into the monasteries to be trained as monks. Once there, they were bonded for life. Tashì-Tsering, a monk, reports that it was common for peasant children to be sexually mistreated in the monasteries. He himself was a victim of repeated rape, beginning at age nine. 14 The monastic estates also conscripted children for lifelong servitude as domestics, dance performers, and soldiers.
In old T1bet there were small numbers of farmers who subsisted as a kind of free peasantry, and perhaps an additional 10,000 people who composed the “middle-class” families of merchants, shopkeepers, and small traders. Thousands of others were beggars. There also were slaves, usually domestic servants, who owned nothing. Their offspring were born into slavery. 15 The majority of the rural population were serfs. Treated little better than slaves, the serfs went without schooling or medical care, They were under a lifetime bond to work the lord's land--or the monastery’s land--without pay, to repair the lord's houses, transport his crops, and collect his firewood. They were also expected to provide carrying animals and transportation on demand.16 Their masters told them what crops to grow and what animals to raise. They could not get married without the consent of their lord or 1ama. And they might easily be separated from their families should their owners lease them out to work in a distant location. 17
As in a free labor system and unlike slavery, the overlords had no responsibility for the serf’s maintenance and no direct interest in his or her survival as an expensive piece of property. The serfs had to support themselves. Yet as in a slave system, they were bound to their masters, guaranteeing a fixed and permanent workforce that could neither organize nor strike nor freely depart as might laborers in a market context. The overlords had the best of both worlds.
One 22-year old woman, herself a runaway serf, reports: “Pretty serf girls were usually taken by the owner as house servants and used as he wished”; they “were just slaves without rights.”18 Serfs needed permission to go anywhere. Landowners had legal authority to capture those who tried to flee. One 24-year old runaway welcomed the Chinese intervention as a “liberation.” He testified that under serfdom he was subjected to incessant toil, hunger, and cold. After his third failed escape, he was merciless beaten by the landlord’s men until blood poured from his nose and mouth. They then poured alcohol and caustic soda on his wounds to increase the pain, he claimed.19
The serfs were taxed upon getting married, taxed for the birth of each child and for every death in the family. They were taxed for planting a tree in their yard and for keeping animals. They were taxed for religious festivals and for public dancing and drumming, for being sent to prison and upon being released. Those who could not find work were taxed for being unemployed, and if they traveled to another village in search of work, they paid a passage tax. When people could not pay, the monasteries lent them money at 20 to 50 percent interest. Some debts were handed down from father to son to grandson. Debtors who could not meet their obligations risked being cast into slavery.20
The theocracy’s religious teachings buttressed its class order. The poor and afflicted were taught that they had brought their troubles upon themselves because of their wicked ways in previous lives. Hence they had to accept the misery of their present existence as a karmic atonement and in anticipation that their lot would improve in their next lifetime. The rich and powerful treated their good fortune as a reward for, and tangible evidence of, virtue in past and present lives.
The T1betan serfs were something more than superstitious victims, blind to their own oppression. As we have seen, some ran away; others openly resisted, sometimes suffering dire consequences. In feudal T1bet, torture and mutilation--including eye gouging, the pulling out of tongues, hamstringing, and amputation--were favored punishments inflicted upon thieves, and runaway or resistant serfs. Journeying through T1bet in the 1960s, Stuart and Roma Gelder interviewed a former serf, Tsereh Wang Tuei, who had stolen two sheep belonging to a monastery. For this he had both his eyes gouged out and his hand mutilated beyond use. He explains that he no longer is a Buddhist: “When a holy 1ama told them to blind me I thought there was no good in religion.”21 Since it was against Buddhist teachings to take human life, some offenders were severely lashed and then “left to God” in the freezing night to die. “The parallels between T1bet and medieval Europe are striking,” concludes Tom Grunfeld in his book on T1bet. 22
In 1959, Anna Louise Strong visited an exhibition of torture equipment that had been used by the T1betan overlords. There were handcuffs of all sizes, including small ones for children, and instruments for cutting off noses and ears, gouging out eyes, breaking off hands, and hamstringing legs. There were hot brands, whips, and special implements for disemboweling. The exhibition presented photographs and testimonies of victims who had been blinded or crippled or suffered amputations for thievery. There was the shepherd whose master owed him a reimbursement in yuan and wheat but refused to pay. So he took one of the master’s cows; for this he had his hands severed. Another herdsman, who opposed having his wife taken from him by his lord, had his hands broken off. There were pictures of Communist activists with noses and upper lips cut off, and a woman who was raped and then had her nose sliced away.23
Earlier visitors to T1bet commented on the theocratic despotism. In 1895, an Englishman, Dr. A. L. Waddell, wrote that the populace was under the “intolerable tyranny of monks” and the devil superstitions they had fashioned to terrorize the people. In 1904 Perceval Landon described the da1a¡ 1ama’s rule as “an engine of oppression.” At about that time, another English traveler, Captain W.F.T. O’Connor, observed that “the great landowners and the priests… exercise each in their own dominion a despotic power from which there is no appeal,” while the people are “oppressed by the most monstrous growth of monasticism and priest-craft.” T1betan rulers “invented degrading legends and stimulated a spirit of superstition” among the common people. In 1937, another visitor, Spencer Chapman, wrote, “The Lamaist monk does not spend his time in ministering to the people or educating them. . . . The beggar beside the road is nothing to the monk. Knowledge is the jealously guarded prerogative of the monasteries and is used to increase their influence and wealth.”24 As much as we might wish otherwise, feudal theocratic T1bet was a far cry from the romanticized Shangri La so enthusiastically nurtured by Buddhism’s western proselytes.
II. Secularization vs. Spirituality
What happened to T1bet after the Chinese Communists moved into the country in 1951? The treaty of that year provided for ostensible self-governance under the da1a¡ 1ama’s rule but gave China military control and exclusive right to conduct foreign relations. The Chinese were also granted a direct role in internal administration “to promote social reforms.” Among the earliest changes they wrought was to reduce usurious interest rates, and build a few hospitals and roads. At first, they moved slowly, relying mostly on persuasion in an attempt to effect reconstruction. No aristocratic or monastic property was confiscated, and feudal lords continued to reign over their hereditarily bound peasants. “Contrary to popular belief in the West,” claims one observer, the Chinese “took care to show respect for T1betan culture and religion.”25
Over the centuries the T1betan lords and lamas had seen Chinese come and go, and had enjoyed good relations with Generalissimo Chiang Kaishek and his reactionary Kuomintang rule in China.26 The approval of the Kuomintang government was needed to validate the choice of the da1a¡ 1ama and Panchen 1ama. When the current 14th da1a¡ 1ama was first installed in Lhasa, it was with an armed escort of Chinese troops and an attending Chinese minister, in accordance with centuries-old tradition. What upset the T1betan lords and lamas in the early 1950s was that these latest Chinese were Communists. It would be only a matter of time, they feared, before the Communists started imposing their collectivist egalitarian schemes upon T1bet.
The issue was joined in 1956-57, when armed T1betan bands ambushed convoys of the Chinese Peoples Liberation Army. The uprising received extensive assistance from the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), including military training, support camps in Nepal, and numerous airlifts.27 Meanwhile in the United States, the American Society for a Free Asia, a CIA-financed front, energetically publicized the cause of T1betan resistance, with the da1a¡ 1ama’s eldest brother, Thubtan Norbu, playing an active role in that organization. The da1a¡ 1ama's second-eldest brother, Gyalo Thondup, established an intelligence operation with the CIA as early as 1951. He later upgraded it into a CIA-trained guerrilla unit whose recruits parachuted back into T1bet.28
Many T1betan commandos and agents whom the CIA dropped into the country were chiefs of aristocratic clans or the sons of chiefs. Ninety percent of them were never heard from again, according to a report from the CIA itself, meaning they were most likely captured and killed.29 “Many lamas and lay members of the elite and much of the T1betan army joined the uprising, but in the main the populace did not, assuring its failure,” writes Hugh Deane.30 In their book on T1bet, Ginsburg and Mathos reach a similar conclusion: “As far as can be ascertained, the great bulk of the common people of Lhasa and of the adjoining countryside failed to join in the fighting against the Chinese both when it first began and as it progressed.”31 Eventually the resistance crumbled.
Whatever wrongs and new oppressions introduced by the Chinese after 1959, they did abolish slavery and the T1betan serfdom system of unpaid labor. They eliminated the many crushing taxes, started work projects, and greatly reduced unemployment and beggary. They established secular schools, thereby breaking the educational monopoly of the monasteries. And they constructed running water and electrical systems in Lhasa.32
Heinrich Harrer (later revealed to have been a sergeant in Hitler’s SS) wrote a bestseller about his experiences in T1bet that was made into a popular Hollywood movie. He reported that the T1betans who resisted the Chinese “were predominantly nobles, semi-nobles and lamas; they were punished by being made to perform the lowliest tasks, such as laboring on roads and bridges. They were further humiliated by being made to clean up the city before the tourists arrived.” They also had to live in a camp originally reserved for beggars and vagrants--all of which Harrer treats as sure evidence of the dreadful nature of the Chinese occupation.33
By 1961, Chinese occupation authorities expropriated the landed estates owned by lords and lamas. They distributed many thousands of acres to tenant farmers and landless peasants, reorganizing them into hundreds of communes.. Herds once owned by nobility were turned over to collectives of poor shepherds. Improvements were made in the breeding of livestock, and new varieties of vegetables and new strains of wheat and barley were introduced, along with irrigation improvements, all of which reportedly led to an increase in agrarian production.34
Many peasants remained as religious as ever, giving alms to the clergy. But monks who had been conscripted as children into the religious orders were now free to renounce the monastic life, and thousands did, especially the younger ones. The remaining clergy lived on modest government stipends and extra income earned by officiating at prayer services, weddings, and funerals.35
Both the da1a¡ 1ama and his advisor and youngest brother, Tendzin Choegyal, claimed that “more than 1.2 million T1betans are dead as a result of the Chinese occupation.”36 The official 1953 census--six years before the Chinese crackdown--recorded the entire population residing in T1bet at 1,274,000.37 Other census counts put the population within T1bet at about two million. If the Chinese killed 1.2 million in the early 1960s then almost all of T1bet, would have been depopulated, transformed into a killing field dotted with death camps and mass graves--of which we have no evidence. The thinly distributed Chinese force in T1bet could not have rounded up, hunted down, and exterminated that many people even if it had spent all its time doing nothing else.
Chinese authorities claim to have put an end to floggings, mutilations, and amputations as a form of criminal punishment. They themselves, however, have been charged with acts of brutality by exile T1betans. The authorities do admit to “mistakes,” particularly during the 1966-76 Cultural Revolution when the persecution of religious beliefs reached a high tide in both China and T1bet. After the uprising in the late 1950s, thousands of T1betans were incarcerated. During the Great Leap Forward, forced collectivization and grain farming were imposed on the T1betan peasantry, sometimes with disastrous effect on production. In the late 1970s, China began relaxing controls “and tried to undo some of the damage wrought during the previous two decades.”38
In 1980, the Chinese government initiated reforms reportedly designed to grant T1bet a greater degree of self-rule and self-administration. T1betans would now be allowed to cultivate private plots, sell their harvest surpluses, decide for themselves what crops to grow, and keep yaks and sheep. Communication with the outside world was again permitted, and frontier controls were eased to permit some T1betans to visit exiled relatives in India and Nepal.39 By the 1980s many of the principal lamas had begun to shuttle back and forth between China and the exile communities abroad, “restoring their monasteries in T1bet and helping to revitalize Buddhism there.”40
As of 2007 T1betan Buddhism was still practiced widely and tolerated by officialdom. Religious pilgrimages and other standard forms of worship were allowed but within limits. All monks and nuns had to sign a loyalty pledge that they would not use their religious position to foment secession or dissent. And displaying photos of the da1a¡ 1ama was declared illegal.41
In the 1990s, the Han, the ethnic group comprising over 95 percent of China’s immense population, began moving in substantial numbers into T1bet. On the streets of Lhasa and Shigatse, signs of Han colonization are readily visible. Chinese run the factories and many of the shops and vending stalls. Tall office buildings and large shopping centers have been built with funds that might have been better spent on water treatment plants and housing. Chinese cadres in T1bet too often view their T1betan neighbors as backward and lazy, in need of economic development and “patriotic education.” During the 1990s T1betan government employees suspected of harboring nationalist sympathies were purged from office, and campaigns were once again launched to discredit the da1a¡ 1ama. Individual T1betans reportedly were subjected to arrest, imprisonment, and forced labor for carrying out separatist activities and engaging in “political subversion.” Some were held in administrative detention without adequate food, water, and blankets, subjected to threats, beatings, and other mistreatment.42
T1betan history, culture, and certainly religion are slighted in schools. Teaching materials, though translated into T1betan, focus mainly on Chinese history and culture. Chinese family planning regulations allow a three-child limit for T1betan families. (There is only a one-child limit for Han families throughout China, and a two-child limit for rural Han families whose first child is a girl.) If a T1betan couple goes over the three-child limit, the excess children can be denied subsidized daycare, health care, housing, and education. These penalties have been enforced irregularly and vary by district.43 None of these child services, it should be noted, were available to T1betans before the Chinese takeover.
For the rich lamas and secular lords, the Communist intervention was an unmitigated calamity. Most of them fled abroad, as did the da1a¡ 1ama himself, who was assisted in his flight by the CIA. Some discovered to their horror that they would have to work for a living. Many, however, escaped that fate. Throughout the 1960s, the T1betan exile community was secretly pocketing $1.7 million a year from the CIA, according to documents released by the State Department in 1998. Once this fact was publicized, the da1a¡ 1ama’s organization itself issued a statement admitting that it had received millions of dollars from the CIA during the 1960s to send armed squads of exiles into T1bet to undermine the Maoist revolution. The da1a¡ 1ama's annual payment from the CIA was $186,000. Indian intelligence also financed both him and other T1betan exiles. He has refused to say whether he or his brothers worked for the CIA. The agency has also declined to comment.44
In 1995, the News & Observer of Raleigh, North Carolina, carried a frontpage color photograph of the da1a¡ 1ama being embraced by the reactionary Republican senator Jesse Helms, under the headline “Buddhist Captivates Hero of Religious Right.”45 In April 1999, along with Margaret Thatcher, Pope John Paul II, and the first George Bush, the da1a¡ 1ama called upon the British government to release Augusto Pinochet, the former fascist dictator of Chile and a longtime CIA client who was visiting England. The da1a¡ 1ama urged that Pinochet not be forced to go to Spain where he was wanted to stand trial for crimes against humanity.
Into the twenty-first century, via the National Endowment for Democracy and other conduits that are more respectable sounding than the CIA, the U.S. Congress continued to allocate an annual $2 million to T1betans in India, with additional millions for “democracy activities” within the T1betan exile community. In addition to these funds, the da1a¡ 1ama received money from financier George Soros.46
Whatever the da1a¡ 1ama’s associations with the CIA and various reactionaries, he did speak often of peace, love, and nonviolence. He himself really cannot be blamed for the abuses of T1bet’s ancien régime, having been but 25 years old when he fled into exile. In a 1994 interview, he went on record as favoring the building of schools and roads in his country. He said the corvée (forced unpaid serf labor) and certain taxes imposed on the peasants were “extremely bad.” And he disliked the way people were saddled with old debts sometimes passed down from generation to generation.47During the half century of living in the western world, he had embraced concepts such as human rights and religious freedom, ideas largely unknown in old T1bet. He even proposed democracy for T1bet, featuring a written constitution and a representative assembly.48
In 1996, the da1a¡ 1ama issued a statement that must have had an unsettling effect on the exile community. It read in part: “Marxism is founded on moral principles, while capitalism is concerned only with gain and profitability.” Marxism fosters “the equitable utilization of the means of production” and cares about “the fate of the working classes” and “the victims of . . . exploitation. For those reasons the system appeals to me, and . . . I think of myself as half-Marxist, half-Buddhist.49
But he also sent a reassuring message to “those who live in abundance”: “It is a good thing to be rich... Those are the fruits for deserving actions, the proof that they have been generous in the past.” And to the poor he offers this admonition: “There is no good reason to become bitter and rebel against those who have property and fortune... It is better to develop a positive attitude.”50
In 2005 the da1a¡ 1ama signed a widely advertised statement along with ten other Nobel Laureates supporting the “inalienable and fundamental human right” of working people throughout the world to form labor unions to protect their interests, in accordance with the United Nations’ Universal Declaration of Human Rights. In many countries “this fundamental right is poorly protected and in some it is explicitly banned or brutally suppressed,” the statement read. Burma, China, Colombia, Bosnia, and a few other countries were singled out as among the worst offenders. Even the United States “fails to adequately protect workers’ rights to form unions and bargain collectively. Millions of U.S. workers lack any legal protection to form unions….”51
The da1a¡ 1ama also gave full support to removing the ingrained traditional obstacles that have kept T1betan nuns from receiving an education. Upon arriving in exile, few nuns could read or write. In T1bet their activities had been devoted to daylong periods of prayer and chants. But in northern India they now began reading Buddhist philosophy and engaging in theological study and debate, activities that in old T1bet had been open only to monks.52
In November 2005 the da1a¡ 1ama spoke at Stanford University on “The Heart of Nonviolence,” but stopped short of a blanket condemnation of all violence. Violent actions that are committed in order to reduce future suffering are not to be condemned, he said, citing World War II as an example of a worthy effort to protect democracy. What of the four years of carnage and mass destruction in Iraq, a war condemned by most of the world—even by a conservative pope--as a blatant violation of international law and a crime against humanity? The da1a¡ 1ama was undecided: “The Iraq war—it’s too early to say, right or wrong.”53 Earlier he had voiced support for the U.S. military intervention against Yugoslavia and, later on, the U.S. military intervention into Afghanistan.54
III. Exit Feudal Theocracy
As the Shangri-La myth would have it, in old T1bet the people lived in contented and tranquil symbiosis with their monastic and secular lords. Rich lamas and poor monks, wealthy landlords and impoverished serfs were all bonded together, mutually sustained by the comforting balm of a deeply spiritual and pacific culture.
One is reminded of the idealized image of feudal Europe presented by latter-day conservative Catholics such as G. K. Chesterton and Hilaire Belloc. For them, medieval Christendom was a world of contented peasants living in the secure embrace of their Church, under the more or less benign protection of their lords.55 Again we are invited to accept a particular culture in its idealized form divorced from its murky material history. This means accepting it as presented by its favored class, by those who profited most from it. The Shangri-La image of T1bet bears no more resemblance to historic actuality than does the pastoral image of medieval Europe.
Seen in all its grim realities, old T1bet confirms the view I expressed in an earlier book, namely that culture is anything but neutral. Culture can operate as a legitimating cover for a host of grave injustices, benefiting a privileged portion of society at great cost to the rest.56 In theocratic feudal T1bet, ruling interests manipulated the traditional culture to fortify their own wealth and power. The theocracy equated rebellious thought and action with satanic influence. It propagated the general presumption of landlord superiority and peasant unworthiness. The rich were represented as deserving their good life, and the lowly poor as deserving their mean existence, all codified in teachings about the karmic residue of virtue and vice accumulated from past lives, presented as part of God’s will.
Were the more affluent lamas just hypocrites who preached one thing and secretly believed another? More likely they were genuinely attached to those beliefs that brought such good results for them. That their theology so perfectly supported their material privileges only strengthened the sincerity with which it was embraced.
It might be said that we denizens of the modern secular world cannot grasp the equations of happiness and pain, contentment and custom, that characterize more traditionally spiritual societies. This is probably true, and it may explain why some of us idealize such societies. But still, a gouged eye is a gouged eye; a flogging is a flogging; and the grinding exploitation of serfs and slaves is a brutal class injustice whatever its cultural wrapping. There is a difference between a spiritual bond and human bondage, even when both exist side by side
Many ordinary T1betans want the da1a¡ 1ama back in their country, but it appears that relatively few want a return to the social order he represented. A 1999 story in the Washington Post notes that the da1a¡ 1ama continues to be revered in T1bet, but
. . . few T1betans would welcome a return of the corrupt aristocratic clans that fled with him in 1959 and that comprise the bulk of his advisers. Many T1betan farmers, for example, have no interest in surrendering the land they gained during China’s land reform to the clans. T1bet’s former slaves say they, too, don’t want their former masters to return to power. “I’ve already lived that life once before,” said Wangchuk, a 67-year-old former slave who was wearing his best clothes for his yearly pilgrimage to Shigatse, one of the holiest sites of T1betan Buddhism. He said he worshipped the da1a¡ 1ama, but added, “I may not be free under Chinese communism, but I am better off than when I was a slave.”57
It should be noted that the da1a¡ 1ama is not the only highly placed 1ama chosen in childhood as a reincarnation. One or another reincarnate 1ama or tulku--a spiritual teacher of special purity elected to be reborn again and again--can be found presiding over most major monasteries. The tulku system is unique to T1betan Buddhism. Scores of T1betan lamas claim to be reincarnate tulkus.
The very first tulku was a 1ama known as the Karmapa who appeared nearly three centuries before the first da1a¡ 1ama. The Karmapa is leader of a T1betan Buddhist tradition known as the Karma Kagyu. The rise of the Gelugpa sect headed by the da1a¡ 1ama led to a politico-religious rivalry with the Kagyu that has lasted five hundred years and continues to play itself out within the T1betan exile community today. That the Kagyu sect has grown famously, opening some six hundred new centers around the world in the last thirty-five years, has not helped the situation.
The search for a tulku, Erik Curren reminds us, has not always been conducted in that purely spiritual mode portrayed in certain Hollywood films. “Sometimes monastic officials wanted a child from a powerful local noble family to give the cloister more political clout. Other times they wanted a child from a lower-class family who would have little leverage to influence the child’s upbringing.” On other occasions “a local warlord, the Chinese emperor or even the da1a¡ 1ama’s government in Lhasa might [have tried] to impose its choice of tulku on a monastery for political reasons.”58
Such may have been the case in the selection of the 17th Karmapa, whose monastery-in-exile is situated in Rumtek, in the Indian state of Sikkim. In 1993 the monks of the Karma Kagyu tradition had a candidate of their own choice. The da1a¡ 1ama, along with several dissenting Karma Kagyu leaders (and with the support of the Chinese government!) backed a different boy. The Kagyu monks charged that the da1a¡ 1ama had overstepped his authority in attempting to select a leader for their sect. “Neither his political role nor his position as a 1ama in his own Gelugpa tradition entitled him to choose the Karmapa, who is a leader of a different tradition…”59 As one of the Kagyu leaders insisted, “Dharma is about thinking for yourself. It is not about automatically following a teacher in all things, no matter how respected that teacher may be. More than anyone else, Buddhists should respect other people’s rights—their human rights and their religious freedom.”60
What followed was a dozen years of conflict in the T1betan exile community, punctuated by intermittent riots, intimidation, physical attacks, blacklisting, police harassment, litigation, official corruption, and the looting and undermining of the Karmapa’s monastery in Rumtek by supporters of the Gelugpa faction. All this has caused at least one western devotee to wonder if the years of exile were not hastening the moral corrosion of T1betan Buddhism.61
What is clear is that not all T1betan Buddhists accept the da1a¡ 1ama as their theological and spiritual mentor. Though he is referred to as the “spiritual leader of T1bet,” many see this title as little more than a formality. It does not give him authority over the four religious schools of T1bet other than his own, “just as calling the U.S. president the ‘leader of the free world’ gives him no role in governing France or Germany.”62
Not all T1betan exiles are enamoured of the old Shangri-La theocracy. Kim Lewis, who studied healing methods with a Buddhist monk in Berkeley, California, had occasion to talk at length with more than a dozen T1betan women who lived in the monk’s building. When she asked how they felt about returning to their homeland, the sentiment was unanimously negative. At first, Lewis assumed that their reluctance had to do with the Chinese occupation, but they quickly informed her otherwise. They said they were extremely grateful “not to have to marry 4 or 5 men, be pregnant almost all the time,” or deal with sexually transmitted diseases contacted from a straying husband. The younger women “were delighted to be getting an education, wanted absolutely nothing to do with any religion, and wondered why Americans were so naïve [about T1bet].”63
The women interviewed by Lewis recounted stories of their grandmothers’ ordeals with monks who used them as “wisdom consorts.” By sleeping with the monks, the grandmothers were told, they gained “the means to enlightenment” -- after all, the Buddha himself had to be with a woman to reach enlightenment.
The women also mentioned the “rampant” sex that the supposedly spiritual and abstemious monks practiced with each other in the Gelugpa sect. The women who were mothers spoke bitterly about the monastery’s confiscation of their young b | | |