The 2008 TIME 100
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black_bird
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as much of a shallow person as i am, i clicked through to TIME 2008 100 ranking via an jolie-pitt link, finding out their friend george wrote them a nice piece of 'who they are' article. (George is cute but not much a writer. I prefer Angie's writing about IRAQ).
They are ranked no. 21.
I then clicked next, oprah is 22.
okay, i had enough!! so i clicked backwards trying to find out who are the others in top 20s.
Now the below is interesting:
I found out:
Obama is 3rd and Hilary is 4th;John McCain is 5th.
Bush is 7 and Putin is 2nd ;
Hu Jin Tao is 6th (> than bush!! <<<< than Putin) and Ma Ying-jeou is 19th;
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and guess who ranks the first?
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yes! The mighty Da1ai LM.
The World's 100 Most Influential People. Is it a good list of people?
http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804,1733748_1733757 _1735546,00.html |
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black_bird
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dont think da1a¡ can be compared to hitler. a man fighting for what used to be his in a skillful way deserves some respect. |
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da1a¡ 1ama
By Deepak Chopra
Millions of people turn to the da1a¡ 1ama for inspiration, but to whom does he turn? He and his people have struggled all their lives with the audacity of hopelessness. Oppression and exile are their daily bread. Yet the da1a¡ 1ama, 72, remains calm in the face of cruelty. What does he think of the human race? "We are the superior species on Earth but also the biggest troublemakers," he once told me.
China's rulers aren't like the British masters of colonial India, and the da1a¡ 1ama's Gandhiesque nonviolent struggle won't give them twinges of conscience, leading to t¡bet's freedom. If anything, Beijing has grown more ruthless in suppressing t¡betan aspirations, as we've seen this Olympic year. And yet he has found a way to think kindly of those who oppress his people and vilify his name. I found him unwilling to show any harshness. He said to me, "I don't dislike the Chinese, only their actions."
To me, the most mystical thing about him is also the most ordinary: the da1a¡ 1ama is happy. He's happy in the midst of chaos and turmoil. The most inspiring thing he ever told me was to ignore all organized faiths and keep to the road of higher consciousness. "Without relying on religion, we look to common sense, common experience and the findings of science for understanding," he said. I do the same thing, but I still marvel at this model of calm and compassion. I'm sure neuroscientists would love to know what's going on inside that brain.
To whom, then, does the da1a¡ 1ama turn for inspiration? It's not a person but a place—beyond I and thou, beyond self and nonself. The wonder isn't that such a place can be found. The wonder is that one man makes it look so easy.
Chopra, author of more than 50 books on spirituality and medicine, has met the da1a¡ 1ama several times
What a load of bull feces. Oppression of several thousands slaves and serfs? Non-violence? Ask the people burned down in lhasa about that?
"And yet he has found a way to think kindly of those who oppress his people and vilify his name. I found him unwilling to show any harshness."
Show any harshness? Hahah. What a joke.
" the da1a¡ 1ama is happy. He's happy in the midst of chaos and turmoil. "
Well, if the CIA was paying me loads of money to basically travel around spilling bs all over the world I'd be pretty happy. If China offered him to go back to rule his country and actually DO SOMETHING I'd bet he would, like his track record proves, fk it up all over again.
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okay. let me have my angelina jolie's writing. I found it much more entertaining to read: --- at least insightful about superstar's writing ability
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Staying to Help in Iraq
We have finally reached a point where humanitarian assistance, from us and others, can have an impact.
By Angelina Jolie
Thursday, February 28, 2008; 1:15 PM
The request is familiar to American ears: "Bring them home."
But in Iraq, where I've just met with American and Iraqi leaders, the phrase carries a different meaning. It does not refer to the departure of U.S. troops, but to the return of the millions of innocent Iraqis who have been driven out of their homes and, in many cases, out of the country.
In the six months since my previous visit to Iraq with the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees, this humanitarian crisis has not improved. However, during the last week, the United States, UNHCR and the Iraqi government have begun to work together in new and important ways.
We still don't know exactly how many Iraqis have fled their homes, where they've all gone, or how they're managing to survive. Here is what we do know: More than 2 million people are refugees inside their own country -- without homes, jobs and, to a terrible degree, without medicine, food or clean water. Ethnic cleansing and other acts of unspeakable violence have driven them into a vast and very dangerous no-man's land. Many of the survivors huddle in mosques, in abandoned buildings with no electricity, in tents or in one-room huts made of straw and mud. Fifty-eight percent of these internally displaced people are younger than 12 years old.
An additional 2.5 million Iraqis have sought refuge outside Iraq, mainly in Syria and Jordan. But those host countries have reached their limits. Overwhelmed by the refugees they already have, these countries have essentially closed their borders until the international community provides support.
I'm not a security expert, but it doesn't take one to see that Syria and Jordan are carrying an unsustainable burden. They have been excellent hosts, but we can't expect them to care for millions of poor Iraqis indefinitely and without assistance from the U.S. or others. One-sixth of Jordan's population today is Iraqi refugees. The large burden is already causing tension internally.
The Iraqi families I've met on my trips to the region are proud and resilient. They don't want anything from us other than the chance to return to their homes -- or, where those homes have been bombed to the ground or occupied by squatters, to build new ones and get back to their lives. One thing is certain: It will be quite a while before Iraq is ready to absorb more than 4 million refugees and displaced people. But it is not too early to start working on solutions. And last week, there were signs of progress.
In Baghdad, I spoke with Army Gen. David Petraeus about UNHCR's need for security information and protection for its staff as they re-enter Iraq, and I am pleased that he has offered that support. General Petraeus also told me he would support new efforts to address the humanitarian crisis "to the maximum extent possible" -- which leaves me hopeful that more progress can be made.
UNHCR is certainly committed to that. Last week while in Iraq, High Commissioner António Guterres pledged to increase UNHCR's presence there and to work closely with the Iraqi government, both in assessing the conditions required for return and in providing humanitarian relief.
During my trip I also met with Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, who has announced the creation of a new committee to oversee issues related to internally displaced people, and a pledge of $40 million to support the effort.
My visit left me even more deeply convinced that we not only have a moral obligation to help displaced Iraqi families, but also a serious, long-term, national security interest in ending this crisis.
Today's humanitarian crisis in Iraq -- and the potential consequences for our national security -- are great. Can the United States afford to gamble that 4 million or more poor and displaced people, in the heart of Middle East, won't explode in violent desperation, sending the whole region into further disorder?
What we cannot afford, in my view, is to squander the progress that has been made. In fact, we should step up our financial and material assistance. UNHCR has appealed for $261 million this year to provide for refugees and internally displaced persons. That is not a small amount of money -- but it is less than the U.S. spends each day to fight the war in Iraq. I would like to call on each of the presidential candidates and congressional leaders to announce a comprehensive refugee plan with a specific timeline and budget as part of their Iraq strategy.
As for the question of whether the surge is working, I can only state what I witnessed: U.N. staff and those of non-governmental organizations seem to feel they have the right set of circumstances to attempt to scale up their programs. And when I asked the troops if they wanted to go home as soon as possible, they said that they miss home but feel invested in Iraq. They have lost many friends and want to be a part of the humanitarian progress they now feel is possible.
It seems to me that now is the moment to address the humanitarian side of this situation. Without the right support, we could miss an opportunity to do some of the good we always stated we intended to do.
Angelina Jolie, an actor, is a UNHCR goodwill ambassador.
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and dont forget to stick on the pic hc:
VII's James Natchway took it, he is one of my favourit photographers.
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hc
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black_bird
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i dont know where did you get the idea that i was referring to YOU comparing the two.
looks like English is not your forte or logic either. |
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leidelaohu
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May 08, 2008 - 12:44 AM |
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| dont think da1a¡ can be compared to hitler. a man fighting for what used to be his in a skillful way deserves some respect. |
I dont know what from my post would make you think that I was comparing the two. |
I don't know why you wouldn't, they are very similar. Funny the way black_bird puts it - "fighting for what used to be his." Exactly. The lives and property of all Tbt used to be his and he wants them back. How saintly. |
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black_bird
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| I don't know why you wouldn't, they are very similar. Funny the way black_bird puts it - "fighting for what used to be his." Exactly. The lives and property of all Tbt used to be his and he wants them back. How saintly. |
i have respects for smart 'criminals'. not to mention the world always define criminals as who ever is on the opposite side of theirs.
and funny enough laohu peng you, the western world compares china's communisim to nazi dictatorship too often.
a few portaits of hu jin tao
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hc
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hey hc i like your new hat.
but i am not sure how much i like u. |
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When I looked at the list and saw Kevin Rudd.....I nearly jumped out of my chair!
Sure I loved him in Anchorman and Knocked Up, but in the top ten most influential.......oh, it's a different Rudd..... |
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oh_the_darkness
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These 'Top 100' lists are hilarious...
I suspect Time magazine is putting the DL there because they think it's 'the right thing to do'. I also suspect that Time magazine know very little about the DL and are just listening to the lip service of people like Mia Farrow and Richard Gere and countless other tossers.
I would not categorize the DL and Hitler in the same camp - Hitler organised the deaths of millions of people while the DL and his lot just acted like Medieval barons - hacking off of tongues and other barbaric acts.
I haven't bothered to look, but I wonder where Mao (responsible for the death of at least 30 million) would appear in Time's list...
Compare this list to some music magazines '100 greatest albums of all time' - do you really give a fcuk? I know I don't. I don't need to be told by some wanker of a writer which music I should be listening to because everyone else is listening to it just like I don't need to read a list of top 100 people. |
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leidelaohu
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| I haven't bothered to look, but I wonder where Mao (responsible for the death of at least 30 million) would appear in Time's list... |
You are required to perform an act which is unspeakable upon your own arsehole before you're allowed to pollute cyberspace with this crap again ....jesus, mary and joseph. Would you people please stop mouthing this ignorant garbage ? and you claim to think for yourself ? ha. hahahaha.
Unless that was a typically satiric British joke, in which case I apologize. Errr, apologise. |
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oh_the_darkness
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Can't access the Time list so can't see if the bald old cnut is on there or not.
Was Mao a total fukcing evil cnut or not, leidy?
And yes, it's apologise. |
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leidelaohu
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| Was Mao a total fukcing evil cnut or not, leidy? |
Thanks for answering the question ....
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Not to you, dickcheese. I like tomatoes. Bye. |
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sbergman
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How about a ShEx Most Influential Posters List? (Using the Times method which claims that it has nothing to do with whether they are good or evil - just how much they have shaped our world/appeared in headlines over the last year.) |
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black_bird
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well what music do u listen to oh_the_darkness?
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| but I wonder where Mao (responsible for the death of at least 30 million) would appear in Time's list... |
lol. that is a b1oooody good question to raise.
actually it might surprise you a bit. today's chinese actually miss Chairman Mao a bit. because during his regime there were no corruption and 'guangxi' among the party officials. they wont abuse their power and get rich. officials really worked for the PEOPLE. everybody believed in an ideal world, foolishly.
And Mao was not there alone. He had his supportors all around him.
nobody can deny Mao was one of the most powerful 'emperor' of china. in fact he ruled the whole country as communisim is a religion, and he is the GOD. GOD lives forever. people didnt believe he could die. when he died everyone went crazy.
I think the TIME 100 list a good list to some extend. it shows the american view of 'who is up there playing'. and china indeed has an important role! so important that DL is ranked top.
and hc i actually dont mind you much :p |
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actually it might surprise you a bit. today's chinese actually miss Chairman Mao a bit. because during his regime there were no corruption and 'guangxi' among the party officials. they wont abuse their power and get rich. officials really worked for the PEOPLE. |
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I won't disagree with you in terms of the people of China loving him - I met a grown woman who actually told me with a straight face that she believed Mao was a god.
Mao - what a piece of work he was - he raped the entire country then raped their minds.... |
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| Mao - what a piece of work he was - he raped the entire country then raped their minds.... |
sweetie, yeah indeed very powerful. truely, he WAS the GOD. that was why religion was banned in china 50 yrs ago. --- if you have one god out there you wont want too many other gods running around you.
my dad spent his whole life trying to understand what kinda man mao was, by various sources, books mainly. was interesting to follow.
5 years ago it was trendy to have mao's picture hanged dangling from the mirror inside the cars of beijing's taxi driver, so to say will protect them when driving.
this doesnt look like Jesus addressing prophets to you?
when mao grew old he looked like a lady. |
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given that no one on this forum has a clue about what life was really like in China in 1940 or WWII, why not just ask those you trust here if life is better or worse. If they say 'better', and they will, especially if they're under 30, then ask would it be better than it is today if the previous regime had stayed in power?
Don't read between the lines here and try to guess if I mean 'good' or 'bad': Mao made the biggest plan in history, saw that it was implemented, and 60 years later it is still on track - the biggest and fastest changing society ever.
It will be another 50 years before history decides if this was good or bad. |
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CoffeeHawk_0, of course nobody wants to go back to the real mao time. what i was talking about as 'missing mao' is as missing a certain ideology world of how the party used to function, as very 'clean'. todays china corruption is everywhere people in general feel very disappointed about this.
i have some clue about life of my parents and grandparents generation. in fact a lot more than my friends.
I am not trying to make comparisons here but CHE to the west represent a certain spirit. to the Cubans its not the same spirit as per the west.
MAO represent evil and violence to the west. to people in China, again not the same picture resembles. |
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| MAO represent evil and violence to the west. to people in China, again not the same picture resembles. |
I don't think that's true. I think many Westerners have great respect for what Mao set out to accomplish and much of what he did accomplish. He made some terrible mistakes and the cult of personality that he created was extremely unfortunate but I think many people believe that China could not have gotten to where it is without first going through the pain of revolution. |
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