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emerson
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Interesting. I wonder if she was dumb enough to film herself or if the footage was taken without her notice. In any event, she'd best watch her back. If the authorities don't get her ("time for little visit to the countryside, comrade") some earnest young patriot with a bag of feces will. |
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Despite the morals, the one child policy is going to save China from a lot of problems down the line that India will face with over-populating and so forth. |
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That is just a nationalistic article by a fenqing (angry youth). No one has said you would grieve less if you had 20 children. The insinuation is just sloppy journalism on the part of the Chinese. What the Western papers said: these people lost their only children. And in Chinese culture that is quite something to lose all your hopes for having any descendaants: duanzi juesun or something, particulary in a country where it is illegl not to look after your parents. And no, Mr Angry Youth, I am not saying parents have children just to look after them - don't try to direct your anger at foreigners. But it is quite clear that it is an extra blow to have lost one's only child. Er... maybe you would like to think about the "compassion" of the prime minister and the system that orders 8-month pregnant women to be held down by force and subjected to a forced abortion. At that age, the child could survive ou of the womb, and so that is just infanticide for the great PRC. How can you be a real nationalist if you allow this to go on?? Do you not want to be a decent and free country? As for: how can you tell the sex ratio by walking down the street - you can't. But Mr Angry Youth, you could get the government's statistical yearbook and read the FIGURES IN THE DAMN BOOK, which confirm the sex ratio story. Oh, I give up. You would prefer unanimity of thought. Now I know why you guys had a cultural revolution - it was no mistake it happened here! |
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oh_the_darkness
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May 21, 2008 - 09:05 PM |
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Shanghainese? |
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Cambronne
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May 21, 2008 - 10:58 PM |
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Er... maybe you would like to think about the "compassion" of the prime minister and the system that orders 8-month pregnant women to be held down by force and subjected to a forced abortion. At that age, the child could survive ou of the womb, and so that is just infanticide for the great PRC. How can you be a real nationalist if you allow this to go on?? Do you not want to be a decent and free country?
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What a bunch of crap. The prime minister is responsible for late forced abortions by crazy ineducated local street officials in villages? Yes, in the imaginary Chinese police state that is depicted in Western media. Whoever lives here know the central government controls almost nothing, certainly much less that their European or US counterparts. Now if you want to talk about the decency of countries, think the US killing or maiming hundreds of millions of kids in the Middle East or those European countries allowing adoption by gay couples under pressure by the pedophile lobby. China is far more decent. |
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miama
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May 22, 2008 - 12:01 AM |
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Mr Yu 888,
apparently the Chinese Olympic chose to start at 08/08/08 and it seems no coincident you are one of the supportors there... no problem with that, I am a news reporter so please go to Xinhua website itself is a mouse piece of Chinese Gov and still you see the media there is a little out of control - see the articles yourself to find out exactly how many schools collapsed next to the standing non-touched government building in same town, couple of miles away.
I am pretty sure you do know need my help to read Chinese, do you? |
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oh_the_darkness
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May 22, 2008 - 12:06 AM |
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Mag takes sexy quake pics
Beijing - A Chinese magazine has been shut down for printing pictures of scantily clad women posing in rubble for a special report on the country's devastating earthquake, officials said on Wednesday.
The New Travel Weekly, a small lifestyle magazine, ran photos of sultry models in their underwear amid the debris in an issue that hit the stands on Monday - the first of three days of national mourning.
The press and publication department of the southwestern city of Chongqing, where the magazine was based, said it decided to close the magazine down for "rectification".
The department said the magazine "seriously violated propaganda discipline and went against social morals" and the report constituted an "extremely evil social influence."
"If the outcome of the rectification is satisfactory, it is possible to reopen the magazine," an employee of the press and publication department with the family name Cai told AFP.
"After all, only part of the staff made the decision to print that shoot. It wouldn't be fair to just close it for good."
Editors sacked
The company that manages The New Travel Weekly said it had sacked the magazine's managing editor, editor and deputy editor, state-run Xinhua news agency reported.
China has seen an outpouring of emotion after the earthquake, which killed more than 41 000 people. The government declared official mourning for the first time since communist China's founder Mao Zedong died in 1976.
As part of the official grief, it temporarily pulled entertainment networks off television and closed down cinemas, karaoke bars and other leisure venues.
WTF LINK
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Someone please verify that this is just a crock of shiit.
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miama
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a question from Cambronne to me: "from Good one Miama... Who pays your salary again?"
humm... for one second I thought you are westerner, but with this question, I am about 99% sure either you are a mainland Chinese or a someone who has lived there long enough to adopt its system:
Only the Chinese gov has trained its people to believe that no one in this world will do something out of their conscious or rightousness. You guys think one need to be paid to do anything, do you?
Such a low life...
Just like when I was volunteering in bay area with bunch other Taiwaness to help the Autism kids, a mianland Peking Opera delegation came and visited, it was so amazing how hard it is for them to believe we are work hard without getting paid, they thought we must have other agenda, even they can't even imagine one.
This is typical mainland Chinese trained brain viewing everything related with money. That is why they think they can conquer the world now because they have more money in their pocket, what a pity! |
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miama
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May 22, 2008 - 12:15 AM |
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Cambronne, not everyone in this world is like you. You do everything for money, don't you?
The Chinese people just attacked MacDonald chain stores in China yesterday because "they did not donate enough money to Chinese earthquake"...
This world will be a much better place without people like you and your likes. |
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Cambronne
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Ah ah, it is almost funny how you spout so much progaganda. It reads almost like a Pascal Nivelle article! Well, yes I have lived here in this mad bloody dictatorship, its very tough, plainclothes police everywhere, restrictions, etc. I wish I was as brave as you. Ok I am back to listen to Radio Freedom and dream of the Free World. |
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miama
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May 22, 2008 - 12:47 AM |
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Mr Mu 888,
Juyuanzhen Middle School, building collapsed completely, in 5 seconds, buried alive about 1000 student, 89 resured, rest dead. In this town, only 2 other buildings collapsed, which were very old known 'high risk' construction. This middle however, was only built in 90's.
2 earthquake experts from San Francisco visited this area last week, their reports show the rebar is only a thin iron string, which is rediculously unbelievably shocking. The beam does not connect, and the important structure was not even concret supported: the building won't even survive 5 degree earth quake. |
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miama
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May 22, 2008 - 12:52 AM |
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Cambronne, just admit it... it just happens that many people in this world think same with Pascal Nivelle, and it is not propaganda. I got to know her and her article through your help, I owe you a big 'thank you!'.
I did not read her other articles in I do not read French... but this one of hers is accurate and amazingly reflecting exactly what the Chinese government is doing.
I am glad you can listen to Radio Freedom, it is good for you, unfortunately Chinese people can not listen to many of this kind of news station, the internet content is even filtered or blocked - many thanks to Google, Yahoo! and Cisco. |
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SXD
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May 22, 2008 - 01:14 AM |
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She has already been arrested. And I hope she is being re-educated as we speak. |
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p1atl10
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May 22, 2008 - 07:55 AM |
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it appears it has been removed....
no shock there |
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genghis
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May 22, 2008 - 08:50 AM |
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I didn't get to see the video. Is this the same video that had the girl saying that she didn't care about her parents, she only wanted to make sure that the music group "Twins" were alright? |
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genghis
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May 22, 2008 - 09:15 AM |
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There have been SMS messages going out to cell phones that accuse Western companies of not donating to the Earthquake funds, which is a load of BS. The names said in the message are names like Coca-Cola, McDonalds, Nokia, etc... Everything not Chinese.
Most Western companies that do business in China have been making a point to donate a lot of money, especially because of the recent "anti-west" crap going on. This is just more nationalistic bullcrap being spread around for whatever stupid reasons I am not aware of.
From the Chinese Embassy site:
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| Nearly 80 U.S. companies have contributed to the relief efforts, with the cash donations amounting to over 30 million U.S. dollars. |
And that's just US companies. Coca-Cola, Pepsi and even McDonalds have been donating not only money, but food, bottled water and other supplies to the relief effort. Guess that doesn't count for anything to some people, when you can use a national tragedy to drum up anti-west sentiment.
http://www.uschina.org/public/documents/2008/05/china_earthquake.html |
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saleenr6
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sbergman
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May 22, 2008 - 10:56 AM |
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Cambronne, Somewhere deep down inside you is an intelligent human being. You should really let him out for a walk once in awhile. Homosexuality and pedophilia are not the same thing. I know gay couples who are excellent parents and who have provided a family for children who would have otherwise lived their lives in institutions. I'm sure there are bad gay parents, too, just like there bad straight parents. What happened in your life to make you so hate-filled? |
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hundan
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May 22, 2008 - 11:39 AM |
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| What a bunch of crap. The prime minister is responsible for late forced abortions by crazy ineducated local street officials in villages? Yes, in the imaginary Chinese police state that is depicted in Western media. Whoever lives here know the central government controls almost nothing, certainly much less that their European or US counterparts. Now if you want to talk about the decency of countries, think the US killing or maiming hundreds of millions of kids in the Middle East or those European countries allowing adoption by gay couples under pressure by the pedophile lobby. China is far more decent. |
Who said he is responsible? But he could ensure that eg the blind activist who opposed such things was treated fairly by the courts, by just picking up the phone and telling the judge to apply the law. It is one thing to control the actions of all county officials, another to refuse to intervene in a high-profile case that has been reported on widely in the Western press. Clearly some things in China have political ramificiations and so are awkward to do.
Please - no country in the world is current killing hundreds of millions of kids... No I don't think the Iraq war is defensible... but I did not say there was a perfect country. I think you have misunderstood something. |
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Kiwi
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May 22, 2008 - 11:53 AM |
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It's true. I saw the pics online some place.
A similar thing happened after the Taiwan quake, though not in anywhere near the same league. Many months after the quake (it may even have been a year or more after), someone did a series of artistic shots models posing in the ruins. They weren't nudie shots, or even especially scantily clad. Also I think the context was a photography exhibition rather than a magazine. Anyway, it caused a bit of controversy. |
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ymm
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Miama, Main land Chinese related everything to money??
Do you know how many volunteers to donate blood for earthquake? a long long queue!!! Doctors have to walk out and persuade people to back home.
Do you know how many volunteers rush to disaster area? Many signed up in organizations, many go there directly from safe area. Many offer refugees food, clothes and others. Volunteers including some people who just lost relatives and assets.
Who are they? They are what you said vanity main land Chinese! They are living around me. We discuss and make action.
What's your contribution to this disaster? Just stand around, make comments and pretend you are superier than the others. I really doubt where are you from. If you are really from main land, which circle you are from? Why the people you understand are totally different from whom I meet?
With your leaving China, the citizens are purified.
[quote="miama"]a question from Cambronne to me: "from Good one Miama... Who pays your salary again?"
humm... for one second I thought you are westerner, but with this question, I am about 99% sure either you are a mainland Chinese or a someone who has lived there long enough to adopt its system:
Only the Chinese gov has trained its people to believe that no one in this world will do something out of their conscious or rightousness. You guys think one need to be paid to do anything, do you?
Such a low life...
Just like when I was volunteering in bay area with bunch other Taiwaness to help the Autism kids, a mianland Peking Opera delegation came and visited, it was so amazing how hard it is for them to believe we are work hard without getting paid, they thought we must have other agenda, even they can't even imagine one.
This is typical mainland Chinese trained brain viewing everything related with money. That is why they think they can conquer the world now because they have more money in their pocket, what a pity![/quote] |
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Cambronne
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Sorry I did not mean that the US are killing hundreds of "millions" of kids - my mistake, its hundreds of thousands. So its ok.
About corruption (leading to badly build schools) - this is very grassroot corruoption, thats the pb we are facing in China. People like you and me who get corrupted, not top leaders. Elections held to nominate village heads have made things worse... the most corrupt or the cult leader gets elected and the US applaud. I am working on construction projects myself through one of our JVs, I have experienced this first-hand.
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In one of the most tragic and destructive seismic events ever recorded in human history; thousands of young, energetic and hopeful children, working diligently at their school-desks in the rugged western foothills of largely Qiang-t¡betan Aba Prefecture and nearby counties, were caught completely unaware by the tremendous shock of a powerful earthquake which began ripping through their towns and villages on Monday, May the 12th, 2008 at 2:28 pm on an otherwise lazy, hazy Sichuan afternoon. In those terrifying few moments that followed; thousands lost their lives and a million dreams of sharing in the country’s new-found prosperity, were cruelly shattered.
I wept for them; and weep still. For they were after all, my students as well and they were and always will be a constant source of personal inspiration for me.
I am one of the very fortunate and few long-term Sichuan expats and I can count now over 18,000 former students on my classroom roll-call. Many of them were from the countryside. I have been blessed to have taught in over 70 schools in Sichuan in my time here and always took one or two countryside schools every term into my weekly workload. They were simply; a joy. What I saw in my rural students daily were the best in human qualities. Polite, inquisitive, respectful, appreciative, diligent, playful and all that coupled with that wide-eyed youthful innocence.
With this in mind; I have started, along with my long-time friend and colleague, Ms. Irene Lin (Lin Tao), what I have come to call “Project Sunrise”; not in any way as a commercial venture, nor as a registered charitable organization; but just to act as a conduit for those of you who may be searching for that one special way to help in the Sichuan relief effort, but may not know how to go about doing it.
Project Sunrise is concentrating its efforts currently on the schools under the jurisdiction of the Deyang Education Bureau, including those schools in both the urban and rural districts of MianZu, Shifang, HanWang and their surrounding county areas.
Statistics as of May 22nd, 2008
Student Death Toll: over 2,000
Seriously Injured Students: over 4,600
Collapsed Teaching Buildings: over 500,000 square meters
All funds donated will be held in trust by the Deyang Educational Fund Committee, which is authorized by the Deyang Education Bureau and which will be jointly available for auditing conducted by both the Deyang Municipal Auditing Bureau and any project donors.
Types of schools and investment required:
For a school with a fully-tiered educational system from Primary School, to Middle School, to High School, the total investment required will be around 9.5 million to 10 million RMB, which includes construction of all teaching buildings and basic furniture such as desks and chairs. There is a government fund-matching program, so donors can donate 50% or more of the total cost and those funds will be matched. (ie. Donation 5,000,000 RMB, matched by government for 5,000,000 RMB = 10,000,000 RMB for total project cost coverage) Donors may also name the school if they donate 50% of the cost or more.
For a countryside primary school (Grade 1 to Grade 6), the total investment required to construct a teaching building with 12-15 classrooms (about 2, 000 square meters) will be around 3 million Yuan. Again; fund matching is in effect, so a donation of 1,500,000 RMB builds a primary school. Donors may also name the school if they donate 50% of the cost or more.
On average, the cost per square meter for construction is around 1200-1500 RMB. This is up significantly from a few years ago, but reflects the upgraded quality of the new building as well, which is, as we all know now, the essential issue. All teaching buildings will now be limited to at most, 4 floors; and will be built to be able to withstand seismic activity and earthquakes up to 7.9 on the Richter scale.
Lesser amounts are still welcome and can be used to build ancillary buildings on the school campus or grounds.
The donor will sign an agreement with the Deyang Education Bureau and the Bureau will set up a trust account to hold the donated funds and make fully transparent and audited tranche payments from that account to the general contractor building the school, as construction progresses. The government is also very flexible as to the builder. Donors may choose their own, or may even provide skilled trades to be onsite and even provide volunteers or other paid trades to physically build the structure according to their own agreed upon and approved plans.
This time around, the effort to remain transparent is evident. No one wants to be on the wrong side of an inspection or investigation now, given what happened with older buildings in the quake zone. Still an onsite, third party inspector would be a good idea for parties or donors who cannot physically be present all the time. The government has promised unfettered access to all designs, plans, construction methods and materials to the designated monitor.
The following is a current list of the schools which were hit hardest by the quake and which will require complete rebuilding from the ground up:
In MianZhu (and surrounding areas):
ZunDao Zhen School
XiaoGan School
GuangJi School
Da XiJie Primary School
In ShiFang (and surrounding areas):
LuoShui Middle School
YinHua Middle School
ShiGu Zhen Democracy Primary School
BaJiao School
For contact details, please PM me. |
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