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canuckian
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June 10, 2008 - 11:36 AM |
 
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To simplify things, which of the following local schools would YOU recommend for foreign kids to attend at the elementary level:
SMIC
Ping He
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Jian Qing Shi Yan School |
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likewater
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June 10, 2008 - 01:21 PM |
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Sure I would like to say: Pin He  |
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msittig
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June 10, 2008 - 01:45 PM |
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Just to add my two cents, I would say that it depends. It's impossible to make a recommendation for all students in general. Visit the school, talk to the teachers and administrators, and find out for yourself. |
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likewater
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June 10, 2008 - 07:21 PM |
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Hi Msittig, thanks for your reply. But as an experienced teacher for almost 18 years in different schools, I would say that it depends on the teachers. We can help all kinds of students academically and morally with our love and pro methods:) I have the confidence on that.[/u] |
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StMichael
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June 10, 2008 - 09:03 PM |
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I'd disagree, likewater - each school has its own educational philosophy, and the teachers are supposed to teach to the educational philosophy. No matter how good a teacher is, if the parent does not like or believe in the philosophy, the parent will not and should not put their kids in the school. |
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msittig
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June 10, 2008 - 09:42 PM |
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| I would say that it depends on the teachers |
I agree, that's very important. That's why I said "talk to the teachers". |
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likewater
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June 10, 2008 - 09:47 PM |
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I quite understand what you mean and you are right, it's the parents who choose the schools for their kids at last by their own judgement. Choosing the right school with the right educational philosophy is really very important to the parents. But in my opinion, what is more important to the kids is the quality of the teachers in those schools, which might ultimately influence them for a life time:) Good luck! |
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Choosing a school is much more than just having good teachers. A student may have a very good teacher who work well with him/her this year but next year there is no guarantee which teacher the student will get. Ultimately, the leadership of the school, philosophy of the school, goal of the school and curriculum which the school uses plays a very important role. Of all these, in my opinion, the leadership of the school is the one which will mold/keep the school/teachers/admin in track. It is the value that the leadership role in the school that eventually will trickle down to the students and attract teachers who fit into the school's criteria. |
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likewater
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That's for sure, hautumncloud. And I want to be that kind of leader myself in school one day:) That's also why I recommend Pin He to him since we have the professional leadership here full of vitality, enthusiasm and always keep the love to all of the students. We believe each one can be taught well, and it'll be the teacher's problem if the student fail in his study. Have a nice day! |
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StMichael
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| Choosing a school is much more than just having good teachers. A student may have a very good teacher who work well with him/her this year but next year there is no guarantee which teacher the student will get. |
When I was teaching in Singapore, one of my client and friend told me that waiting for news on the child's form teacher for the next year is like waiting for the lottery. You pray each day that your child gets this particular teacher, and not that particular teacher, all the while knowing that it is not quite within your control which teacher your child gets.
With such high "stakes", no wonder it's a lottery! |
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rucksack
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June 17, 2008 - 05:43 AM |
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| canuckian wrote: |
To simplify things, which of the following local schools would YOU recommend for foreign kids to attend at the elementary level:
SMIC
Ping He
Golden Apple
Jian Qing Shi Yan School |
Oh my, there are so many more available. |
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msittig
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June 17, 2008 - 10:27 AM |
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| Oh my, there are so many more available. |
That's true, but the original poster was not asking about the others. Could you recommend some local schools besides those original four? |
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rucksack
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June 18, 2008 - 11:32 AM |
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Qi Se Hua near Yan Dang Lu, New Era on Xing Guo Lu - there are more of course I have a listing from the internet. |
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msittig
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June 18, 2008 - 12:28 PM |
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Interesting! So what sets it apart from other schools?
Actually my wife and I will send out daughter to a local preschool as well, so any advice you can give would be appreciated. |
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canuckian
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June 18, 2008 - 01:51 PM |
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Interesting! So what sets it apart from other schools?
Actually my wife and I will send out daughter to a local preschool as well, so any advice you can give would be appreciated. |
So do we. I believe there are many others available, but the discussion in this thread seems to evolve around those 4 schools. You're more than welcome to add on the list, rucksack.
Does your child enrolled in Qi Se Hua near Yan Dang lu or New Era on Xing Guo lu? What do you like about each school that is worth mentioning off the top of your head? |
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rucksack
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June 19, 2008 - 05:44 AM |
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Those are primary schools and my child is just finishing Zhong Ban at his kindergarten. There's Aiju, another primary school with an international stream. Some primary schools offer international streams. The class size is smaller and the pace is slower. Of course it's more expensive, but nothing like an international school. I only know from second hand about the schools I mentioned. I have many friends with their kids in local schools so I hear from their experiences. Qi Se Hua is an art school. New Era is experimental. They have smaller classes relatively speaking and a mix of nationalities. You don't have to have a foreign passport. I have about 8 months before I decide on a school and I'm still looking around, new things turn up all the time. You never know if the local primary school close by has an international stream or not, they don't really advertise. It takes a lot of footwork, time and patience. It's a learning experience. |
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GoPlayer
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June 19, 2008 - 03:28 PM |
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| A student may have a very good teacher who work well with him/her this year but next year there is no guarantee which teacher the student will get. |
My son is in Ping He international section, and I think their policy is to have the home classroom teacher stay with the same class.
This year, my son had the same Chinese and math teachers as last year. |
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msittig
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June 19, 2008 - 07:07 PM |
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Thanks for the tips, rucksack. I looked at Qisehua's website and their alumni page is certainly impressive, with lots of kids going on to study music at impressive middle schools. |
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elainelge
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June 20, 2008 - 04:21 PM |
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HI do you have the website link? I can't seem to google it? Do you know what the fee structure is like? |
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msittig
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June 20, 2008 - 05:12 PM |
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Actually I was looking at the wrong website. I had found Qisehua Preschool in Baoshan, but I think rucksack lives in Xuhui so she's probably talking about Qisehua Elementary School in Luwan:
http://www.qsh.lwedu.sh.cn
This site (http://jiwei.luwan.sh.cn/pop.asp?cid=82&nid=23) says that tuition was RMB 1500/semester in 2006. I'm fairly certain that's only for Shanghainese, and that it will be more expensive for foreign-passport holders. |
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elainelge
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June 23, 2008 - 09:16 AM |
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Hi Thanks for the information, I will include these in my list to check out when I get to Shanghai. My thots is to find school first and then find place to stay! Thanks so very much!. I will keep a look out for any further comments from PARENTS on any schools to research. Any feedback is valuable.
Thanks! |
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New gal
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July 05, 2008 - 10:18 PM |
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wow it seems like Ping He and Golden Apple are hot favourites.... does anyone know the websites of these 2 schools? Could you pls provide me the link? Thanks! |
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limme
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A-roaming I think your aim is for your children to pick up chinese. I think beside going to a local school there are plenty of other options.
Me and my wife are chinese origin (Taiwan and China). We migrated to Australia when we were 12 and 6 respectively.I actually went there by myself at 12 for study. The kids could hardly speak any chinese as we converse in English back at home (our mistake as we can speak chinese). As I went through 8 years of Asian education (Taiwanese style) and knowing the influence it has on me (rigid and spoon feeding) and later impacted part of my high school life in Australia, me and my wife decided to enrol them in international school.
After close to 2 years in China the kids pick up a lot of chinese and basically they can now converse in chinese even though writing is still a bit behind. Me and my wife are really please with the progress. They have chinese lesson in the international school plus we hire a tutor over the weekend (2 hours per day).
Just like what StMichael said earlier the ayi, tutor, music teacher,....... all speak chinese. It does force them to communicate in chinese Another big plus is that you have the environment here in china for them to learn chinese and in western countries the environment is not there.
I personally spend 8 years of education in Asia (Taiwan) and spend my high school + uni + research years in westren countries. Knowing the pro's and con's of both systems, you will need to assess the requirements of your children.
As parents we always believe the best way for children to learn something in life is at school. In fact there is a lot of other ways for children to learn beside learning in school.
At the end of the day there are thousand ways but you just need to assess the environment and requirements of your family and make the best choice for them.
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My family spend 2 years in Vietnam before coming to Shanghai and the kids picked up more vietnamese than me and my wife and they still chat with their vietnamese friends on the internet using vietnamese. Kids are just liked sponge, they absorb very quickly. It just depends on how we teach them. |
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elainelge
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July 07, 2008 - 06:20 PM |
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| wow it seems like Ping He and Golden Apple are hot favourites.... does anyone know the websites of these 2 schools? Could you pls provide me the link? Thanks! |
http://www.shphschool.com/english/1.htm - hi this is for Pinghe
if you google Gold Apple School Shanghai, you will find the site |
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rucksack
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For me, one important criteria for my children to attend their local kindergarten is that the teachers do not treat them differently. Sometimes I hear a parent saying to their child,"say hello to the waiguoxiaopengyou". It's more than obvious my children are foreigners with blond hair and blue eyes. It's not necessary to hightlight the obvious. The children don't really seem to mind the difference, it's their parents that make such a big deal. Yesterday, I overheard one parent saying that waiguoxiaopengyou are very wanpi (naughty). Like.....Chinese children aren't?? What a statement. I'm more concerned about what the parents are saying to their kids, how they are influencing them. I don't want my kids to get bullied when they go on to local primary school just because they look different.
My oldest son recently went on a train trip to Changsha with his dad. He got on great with the kids on the train. The adults, even though they heard him speak Chinese perfectly, still made very insensitive comments to their kids about him in front of him. Derek obviously understood and had his feelings hurt. It's like he was some exotic animal. Then those kids started to say the same things that the adults were saying and Derek just fell apart. It happens even in Shanghai to a lesser extent.
Anyhow, some challenges to being a "whitey" child in China. And, my husband said, Hunan isn't ready for a Chinese speaking, caucasion child. |
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