| Author |
Message |
woaishanghai07
Seeker
Joined: Dec 26, 2007
Posts: 50
Status: Offline
|
 Posted:
June 09, 2008 - 07:06 AM |
 
|
| Post subject: Is it necessary? |
At the moment my girlfriend is going through compulsory military training at university and every time she talks about it I just can't understand what possible purpose it serves.
It lasts for 10 days here in Shanghai, every morning she has to wake up at 5:45am, then she does training until 11am. She has a 3 hour break until 2pm, then continues the training. She has another break in the evening then continues again until 9pm. After 9pm she then has to spend 2 hours writing a diary and writing various essays about god knows what. After that she can finally get to bed at about 1am only to be woken up again at the wonderful hour of 5:45am.
The exercises involve standing still for half an hour, or if you're lucky enough to be male then you stand still for one hour. There is also plenty of marching around, bog standard military exercises such as push ups and so on.
Apparently the food is absolutely horrible and on the first day my girlfriend felt so exhausted and sickened by the food she actually couldn't bring herself to eat anything.
Also some of you may remember the torrential downpour we had 2 days ago, she still had to train in that. And the weather has been extremely hot, yes she still has to train in that...come wind, rain or shine.
Some girls are too weak for the training and she says a few of them have actually passed out.
She claims she is lucky to be a girl though, the boys get treated far more harshly. The exercises they do are far more intense and if the boys slack off then they don't just get told off, she has been told by some boys that they have seen others get slapped in the face very hardly and hit on the body with a leather belt.
Perhaps if my girlfriend actually wanted to be in the military I would understand why the training was so harsh (apart from the boys being beaten), but she is a university student. This military training is compulsory, i.e. if she doesn't do it she fails university.
So I am constantly wondering why?!?!? What possible purpose does it serve???? |
|
|
|
|
CoffeeHawk_0
Board Buddha
Joined: July 14, 2005
Posts: 14444
|
| Posted:
June 09, 2008 - 08:30 AM |
|
|
|
 |
|
sbergman
Veejay
Joined: Sep 12, 2007
Posts: 2167
Status: Offline
|
| Posted:
June 09, 2008 - 08:45 AM |
|
|
Compulsory military training for college students was instituted in 1989 (after Tianamen) with the purpose of encouraging nationalist sentiment among Chinese youth. Judging by the torch relay responses - it's working. |
|
|
|
|
|
woaishanghai07
Seeker
Joined: Dec 26, 2007
Posts: 50
Status: Offline
|
| Posted:
June 09, 2008 - 08:49 AM |
|
|
I see. Although it probably has worked with a lot of Chinese students, I am frequently surprised by how openly some Shanghainese tell me they dislike the government here. |
|
|
|
|
|
PG-30
Reacher
Joined: Mar 22, 2008
Posts: 345
Status: Offline
|
| Posted:
June 09, 2008 - 09:39 AM |
|
|
huh?that is for nationalist sentiment?hehe,good to know, apparently it didnt work for me or anyone i know. For fresh students, its a good opportunity to get to know your classmates, to make friends and to talk about girls/boys in other classes. For senior students, its a meat exhibition where you look for your naive little girlfriend. |
|
|
|
|
|
sbergman
Veejay
Joined: Sep 12, 2007
Posts: 2167
Status: Offline
|
| Posted:
June 09, 2008 - 09:51 AM |
|
|
More info, if anyone is interested:
| Quote: |
Students must undergo a one month's military training, but it is not clear whether it is compulsory for all students. In 1994, 155,000 students at 140 colleges underwent such training. [7]
Students were receiving military training back in the 1940s and 1950s, and it was reintroduced under the 1984 law, art. 30 of which states that "Military institutes and academies may, according to needs in building up the armed forces, recruit cadets from among young students. The age limit for the cadets to be recruited need not be the same for the active servicemen to be enlisted." [15] [18]
Students in particular were required to undergo military training, initially for one year, after the 1989 pro-democracy demonstrations. The authorities considered such training both a political re-education device and a means of forestalling further unrest. In September 1989 all first-year students at Bejing and Shanghai Fudan University had to receive a year's military training. In September 1990 this scheme was extended to most other universities and colleges. At that time military training was compulsory for those wanting to go to college, and it is believed that students who refused got expelled from university. [1] [7]
Compulsory military training was much critised by college authorities. Many students apparently went to colleges which were below their standard of education but where they did not have to receive military training. In 1993 the length of military training for students was therefore reduced from a year to a month. [7] |
http://www.wri-irg.org/co/rtba/china.htm |
|
|
|
|
|
woaishanghai07
Seeker
Joined: Dec 26, 2007
Posts: 50
Status: Offline
|
| Posted:
June 09, 2008 - 11:07 AM |
|
|
So the students avoided going to universities where military training was compulsory by going to lower standard universities where military training was not compulsory thus reducing the quality of educated individuals, which I'd imagine had a negative impact on the country as a whole. Result, government reduces military training from a year to a month.
Chinese people 1, government 0.
I love how clever Chinese people are at making bullies look like idiots. For Chinese people there always seems to be an alternative way of doing something and they always seem to find the alternative way if the original way is made too restrictive.
So PG 30, what sort of attitude did this military training create among you and your fellow classmates? Or did it not really create any sort of attitude? And what sort of advantages did you gain from it apart from making new friends? |
|
|
|
|
|
boredengineer
SuperStar
Joined: Oct 17, 2007
Posts: 1344
Location: Shanghai
Status: Offline
|
| Posted:
June 09, 2008 - 01:51 PM |
|
|
Hey honestly I wish my university did that. It's only 10 days and it seems like it would be a good experience provided I don't get butt raped or something. |
|
|
|
|
TheDudeAbides
Rocker
Joined: June 21, 2006
Posts: 720
Status: Offline
|
| Posted:
June 09, 2008 - 04:47 PM |
|
|
Apparently a ton of people get out of it due to poor eyesight. And I'd love to see them try to drag a Shanghai princesses ass through one of those camps. |
|
|
|
|
|
oh_the_darkness
Fire-eater
Joined: Apr 17, 2008
Posts: 2528
Status: Offline
|
| Posted:
June 09, 2008 - 04:59 PM |
|
|
| TheDudeAbides wrote: |
| Apparently a ton of people get out of it due to poor eyesight. |
So that counts out about 60% of them right? |
|
|
|
|
|
black_bird
Ranter
Joined: Mar 06, 2008
Posts: 594
Status: Offline
|
| Posted:
June 09, 2008 - 05:14 PM |
|
|
it is not true. before 1989 it exists too. highschool student usually go through that before starts form 4/5/6. for once.
it is more like a boot camp typa thingie, designed to discipline students and make bondings. it was a pain at the time but believe it or not it is actulaly part of the fun that students go through when you look back.
it doesnt serve the purpose of even trying to train studnets into soldiers. |
_________________
Blackbird fly,Into the light of the dark black night. - The BEATLES =) |
|
|
|
|
bloomark
PopStar
Joined: Apr 28, 2008
Posts: 1015
Location: Reality
Status: Offline
|
| Posted:
June 12, 2008 - 04:12 PM |
|
|
| Quote: |
Compulsory military training for college students was instituted in 1989 (after Tianamen) with the purpose of encouraging nationalist sentiment among Chinese youth. Judging by the torch relay responses - it's working.
|
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
It's really, really, really, really, really FUNNY. No comment go further.
You know, sbergman, your sense of humor this time does take finding. |
_________________
Never expect accountable tips from a bitter rumrunner. |
|
 |
|
bloomark
PopStar
Joined: Apr 28, 2008
Posts: 1015
Location: Reality
Status: Offline
|
| Posted:
June 12, 2008 - 04:15 PM |
|
|
| Quote: |
I see. Although it probably has worked with a lot of Chinese students, I am frequently surprised by how openly some Shanghainese tell me they dislike the government here.
|
HEHEHEHEHE.
Dude, you are so easy to mislead. |
_________________
Never expect accountable tips from a bitter rumrunner. |
|
|
|
|
bloomark
PopStar
Joined: Apr 28, 2008
Posts: 1015
Location: Reality
Status: Offline
|
| Posted:
June 12, 2008 - 04:23 PM |
|
|
| Quote: |
So the students avoided going to universities where military training was compulsory by going to lower standard universities where military training was not compulsory thus reducing the quality of educated individuals, which I'd imagine had a negative impact on the country as a whole. Result, government reduces military training from a year to a month.
|
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...... I can't catch my breathe.
(Cuckle, Chuckle, Chuckle) Dude, probaly that's your thought by which you chose your university.
| Quote: |
I love how clever Chinese people are at making bullies look like idiots. For Chinese people there always seems to be an alternative way of doing something and they always seem to find the alternative way if the original way is made too restrictive.
|
Agree.
| Quote: |
So PG 30, what sort of attitude did this military training create among you and your fellow classmates? Or did it not really create any sort of attitude? And what sort of advantages did you gain from it apart from making new friends?
|
HEHEHEHEHEHEHE......
Dude, now let me tell you what the compulsory(as is called by you fellows) military drill has created among us, aha, (chuckle, chuckle, chuckle......) it's fun and sweat. |
_________________
Never expect accountable tips from a bitter rumrunner. |
|
|
|
|
SatelliteTV
Rocker
Joined: Nov 18, 2006
Posts: 757
Location: Taiwan
Status: Offline
|
| Posted:
June 13, 2008 - 01:44 AM |
|
| Post subject: Re: Is it necessary? |
| woaishanghai07 wrote: |
Also some of you may remember the torrential downpour we had 2 days ago, she still had to train in that. And the weather has been extremely hot, yes she still has to train in that...come wind, rain or shine.
So I am constantly wondering why?!?!? What possible purpose does it serve???? |
**** what a surprise. This is after all the Army isn't it. They are a 24 hour a day organization. Maybe you only want them to fight 9am to 5pm so they can go home and watch tv.
But perhaps you may care to remember..... there's usually an army in your country. Yours or somebody elses.
Now seeing you didn't much like the Japanese Army being in your country you had best be getting along training your own. |
_________________
http://forum.taiwansatellite.tv/viewtopic.php?t=354 |
|
|
|
|
Andreas
Board Royalty
Joined: Feb 27, 2004
Posts: 6412
Location: 31 N 121 E
|
| Posted:
June 13, 2008 - 09:25 AM |
|
|
Military training is important here. They teach you how to flick bogies or spit all the way to Taiwan, and how to defeat the enemy with disgusting food. All very useful knowledge. |
_________________
If it has tits, tires, or a transom, there's gonna be issues! |
|
|
|
sbergman
Veejay
Joined: Sep 12, 2007
Posts: 2167
Status: Offline
|
| Posted:
June 13, 2008 - 09:51 AM |
|
|
And all while wearing those very fashionable green tennis shoes. |
|
|
|
|
|
hc
Post Roaster
Joined: Apr 04, 2007
Posts: 4545
|
| Posted:
June 13, 2008 - 01:30 PM |
|
| Post subject: Re: Is it necessary? |
| SatelliteTV wrote: |
| woaishanghai07 wrote: |
Also some of you may remember the torrential downpour we had 2 days ago, she still had to train in that. And the weather has been extremely hot, yes she still has to train in that...come wind, rain or shine.
So I am constantly wondering why?!?!? What possible purpose does it serve???? |
**** what a surprise. This is after all the Army isn't it. They are a 24 hour a day organization. Maybe you only want them to fight 9am to 5pm so they can go home and watch tv.
But perhaps you may care to remember..... there's usually an army in your country. Yours or somebody elses.
Now seeing you didn't much like the Japanese Army being in your country you had best be getting along training your own. |
Yeah but let's not forget the coward Chiang Kai Shek that didn't have the balls to fight the japanese.
Took an American general (Stilwell) to prove to the imbecile CKS that it was possible for the Chinese to win against the japanese. |
_________________
Click here to read the latest retarded PM Natalie sent me. Let's make her lose face and FINALLY leave this site. |
|
|
|
|
bloomark
PopStar
Joined: Apr 28, 2008
Posts: 1015
Location: Reality
Status: Offline
|
| Posted:
June 13, 2008 - 07:27 PM |
|
|
| Quote: |
Military training is important here. They teach you how to flick bogies or spit all the way to Taiwan, and how to defeat the enemy with disgusting food. All very useful knowledge.
|
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA...... I like that remark, it cracks. |
_________________
Never expect accountable tips from a bitter rumrunner. |
|
|
|
|
SatelliteTV
Rocker
Joined: Nov 18, 2006
Posts: 757
Location: Taiwan
Status: Offline
|
| Posted:
June 14, 2008 - 08:13 PM |
|
| Post subject: Re: Is it necessary? |
| hc wrote: |
[Yeah but let's not forget the coward Chiang Kai Shek that didn't have the balls to fight the japanese.
Took an American general (Stilwell) to prove to the imbecile CKS that it was possible for the Chinese to win against the japanese. |
SO my main point stands. |
_________________
http://forum.taiwansatellite.tv/viewtopic.php?t=354 |
|
|
|
|
Kiwi
Post Boaster
Joined: May 07, 2003
Posts: 4763
Status: Offline
|
| Posted:
June 15, 2008 - 08:34 AM |
|
|
| woaishanghai07 wrote: |
| I see. Although it probably has worked with a lot of Chinese students, I am frequently surprised by how openly some Shanghainese tell me they dislike the government here. |
Yeah, but the point is that they hate foreign governments far more. |
_________________
[offensive signature removed by ADMIN] |
|
|
|
|
shanghaiceltic
Board Royalty
Joined: Sep 20, 2005
Posts: 7619
Location: Perth WA
Status: Offline
|
| Posted:
June 15, 2008 - 09:06 AM |
|
|
| TheDudeAbides wrote: |
| Apparently a ton of people get out of it due to poor eyesight. And I'd love to see them try to drag a Shanghai princesses ass through one of those camps. |
Do they LV camouflage gear? They would get to add bling to their comms sets too.... |
_________________
I have parrallel bars at home, one for gin and one for whiskey |
|
|
|
|
860115huang
Barker
Joined: Mar 10, 2008
Posts: 159
Status: Offline
|
| Posted:
June 19, 2008 - 09:53 AM |
|
|
Actually, it is really a nice experience. The whole military trainning process is also very interesting. Before going to senior school and the college, everyone student should join the military training except that you are sick. Basically the military training for the students who will go to senior shool wil last for two weeks. And the military training for the students going to college will last for a month. And this is very necessary for the Chinese students. They are born after the 1980 and often spolied by their parents so much. This type activties is benifical for their growth. |
_________________
http://www.800chinabaskets.com Definitely a nice website!! |
|
|
|
|
black_bird
Ranter
Joined: Mar 06, 2008
Posts: 594
Status: Offline
|
| Posted:
June 19, 2008 - 05:23 PM |
|
|
yeah its basically a boot camp to teach decipline. nothing more.
painful at the time but u have lots of fun along the way!
its not like a taliban training. relax! |
_________________
Blackbird fly,Into the light of the dark black night. - The BEATLES =) |
|
|
|
|
860115huang
Barker
Joined: Mar 10, 2008
Posts: 159
Status: Offline
|
| Posted:
June 20, 2008 - 09:32 AM |
|
|
| sbergman wrote: |
| Compulsory military training for college students was instituted in 1989 (after Tianamen) with the purpose of encouraging nationalist sentiment among Chinese youth. Judging by the torch relay responses - it's working. |
Apparently, you are wrong and have some prejudices about the military training. It doesn't have that purpose at all. Just a common discipline and body trainning and don't have any political purpose. If you see the whole process of the training, you will understand what I said. |
_________________
http://www.800chinabaskets.com Definitely a nice website!! |
|
|
|
|
|
|
Forum FAQ
Search
Preferences
Watched Topics
Log in to check your private messages
Log in
