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Deniman
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July 14, 2004 - 09:10 PM |
 
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Urgentculture untill last months I don't have any problem with Godaddy as I use them only as register the problem isn't Godaddy the problem is in general the Chinese Network make same test from Dos digit tracert and the domain that you want see for example tracert godaddy.com you can see that the last router in china is 202.101.63.254 and this router is in Shanghai afther they connect to 202.97.33.90 and then to 202.97.51.206 (this router is in USA Sioux Falls). All the outgoing trafic to US and Europe for sure connect to this server from SHanghai and later to Sprintlink.net and here start the bad problem you can see the delay up to 800 ms and more if for same site appare * this mean that there are same firewall so you can give the results.
Normaly all the internet network has more than one connection to the router to the outgoing and ingoing trafic they normaly has two so they can swith the traffic in the second or the second is reserve for only few friends?? |
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Deniman
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July 14, 2004 - 09:11 PM |
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Urgentculture untill last months I don't have any problem with Godaddy as I use them only as register the problem isn't Godaddy the problem is in general the Chinese Network make same test from Dos digit tracert and the domain that you want see for example tracert godaddy.com you can see that the last router in china is 202.101.63.254 and this router is in Shanghai afther they connect to 202.97.33.90 and then to 202.97.51.206 (this router is in USA Sioux Falls). All the outgoing trafic to US and Europe for sure connect to this server from SHanghai and later to Sprintlink.net and here start the bad problem you can see the delay up to 800 ms and more if for same site appare * this mean that there are same firewall so you can give the results.
Normaly all the internet network has more than one connection to the router to the outgoing and ingoing trafic they normaly has two so they can swith the traffic in the second or the second is reserve for only few friends?? |
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Deniman
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July 15, 2004 - 02:37 PM |
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This morning I went to the local China Telecom in my area and I were very angry I explain to the manager the problem and I tell them that I don't want that they send anybody to my flat to check the ADSL because they don't know how Internet and ADSL work because they only check the site online.sh.cn and if the download of a program from that site run up to 150Kb/s that mean that internet and ADSL work properly.
I explain to him that when I do the trace of the website there is this problem, now they just call me and tell me that they find the problem as they go to the US Router and there are a congestion so now they pass the information to the international department of China telecom to solve the problem asap because a lot of person already inform them that are impossible to visit same website. Now I hope that they really try to find the problem and solve it. |
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jkurtzig
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July 15, 2004 - 03:26 PM |
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Hi--I've just moved here and have my site and email through godaddy.com. Is it worth switching? And if so, what to?
Also, is it worth applying for the T3 line? If so, how is it done and how much does it cost?
Thanks for the help--I'm new here! |
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urgentculture
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July 15, 2004 - 04:24 PM |
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Even though I'm on the war path with Godaddy, I'd say test it out for a bit and see how it goes. It's not just FTP and email that's been down from here, it's viewing the site on a browser -- embarrassing when you have a client over and you want to show them your portfolio. But Godaddy has clearly stated to me -- over phone and email -- that they refuse to do business with anyone in China. (moving over your web-based email might be a drag, however)
That said, I don't know much about Chinese hosts. Probably cheap but, reliable? Hmmm. I'm currently happy with WebSiteSource.com. They're based in USA, have 24/7 live chat support, good prices, and been *mostly* reliable for 3 years i've used them. I am currently moving my godaddy domains over to them. Trying to, at least, with no help from godaddy... I can't friggin ftp for more than 20 secs! |
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Deniman
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July 15, 2004 - 08:08 PM |
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Dear Sir Godaddy hasn't any problem just try to do this simple dos command:
Tracert godaddy.com And you see the following: afther same IP very fast 10ms arrive at 202.101.63.254 this is the last chinese ip from Shanghai afther go to USA into 202.97.33.90 and afther go to 202.97.51.206 (this is the real problem) when coming out from this ip go to the sprintlink.net a USA net and if you see the time arround 700 to 900 or more ms!!!!
When is fast same time this morning was the ip afther 202.97.33.90 was 202.97.51.150 and also Godaddy was very fast so the problem isn't Godaddy or the american or european webhosting or register but is the bad Shanghai network! Because they chose a bad pather in USA to send their traffic. If you go in Hangzhou you see that there aren't the same problem and the outcoming IP is different. So the problem isn't godaddy or others but the only problem is china Telecom Shanghai.
Try to check the website that you don't see using from msdos tracert domain.com and you will se that the site where you go slow or you don't see have more that 700 ms to arrive to them.
I currently use Rack64.com as webhosting and I have the same problem but not 6 weeks ago! All was OK!!! |
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Deniman
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July 15, 2004 - 11:53 PM |
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I just investigate and write to sprintlink to check and they answer that the problem is on IP 202.97.33.90 and 202.97.51.206 this IP is from ChinaTelecom Back Bonde in Beijing so I write to the contact person and hope that they can do somethinks. I keep you informed.
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urgentculture
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July 16, 2004 - 09:32 AM |
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Thanks for investigating. It's beyond my technical scope. I suspect something like this is the "real" reason Godaddy told me of their no-china policy, but they left it simply at that, which makes me mad. Those canned responses. I'm curious to hear what you find out, especially if there's some fix possible. |
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Deniman
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July 17, 2004 - 11:45 AM |
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They are working to improve the system and we hope that they will finish asap because the problem isn't godaddy or other good provider the problem is the bad service that China Telecom give to their costumer. They have a big congestion and they contnuius to sell 2 Mb/s ADSL?
We hope that they solve this problem ad the contact person in Beijing that I have email don't answer I try to call them monday and we will see. |
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Make
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July 25, 2004 - 12:12 PM |
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Hi Deniman
Two days ago again someone from Chinatelecom came...........
'Out off our controle because it does not happen in china' is what he said. 'The pipe line to the US is too small.'
So I am sorry to tell you I still have the same problem and NO solution. Please if anyone knows something please share!!!
This is driving me crazzy.. |
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Deniman
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July 28, 2004 - 01:35 AM |
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In the last two weeks I visit many city as Hangzhou, NingBo, Jinan and more and I try to trace same website and I find that there are no problem so this mean that the problem isn't with chinese network but It's only inside Shanghai and if China Telecom want they can solve it. We hope that they solve this bad affaire as is too bad to have a bad service in shanghai and in the small cities the service is better!
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bops
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July 28, 2004 - 11:50 AM |
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I was already thinking about cable modem. I had it last year for some month and i had no problem with the speed outside china at all. |
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Deniman
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July 30, 2004 - 06:27 PM |
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Dear BOPS the only problem is that you can't decide which kind of DSL service buy this depend from which area you are leaving so the only way is wait untill china telecom solve the congestion problem that they have for ADSL from Shanghai to Pekin. |
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vespertilia
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simonjo
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Aug 02, 2004 - 01:27 PM |
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Hello guys and gals!
It's been 3 days now I can't receive/send/see my emails from France (www.laposte.net or @laposte.net). But the 'www.laposte.fr' web page is working fine.
It is very inconvenient because I go back home in few days and really need to get in touch with my familly. I have to say I am using @163.com (chinese based email service) for the moment.
But I think about the others who do not have this idea...
I used the 'tracert www.laposte.net' and 'tracert www.laposte.fr' DOS command lines, in a DOS windows with my winXP chinese.
And I also used 'Visualroute' software to get more info about the IP adress found (especaly to get the email adress of webmasters servers...).
Download 15days demo is easy to fing on www.google.com (which is still woorking...)
The problem is really when you get out of China or Shanghai as the PB seem to not appaer in cities around Shanghai.
These are info, if you want complain :
CHINANET:
inetnum: 202.97.32.0 - 202.97.63.255
netname: CHINANET-BB
descr: CHINANET backbone network
descr: Data Communication Division
descr: China Telecom
country: CN
admin-c: CH93-AP
tech-c: CH93-AP
mnt-by: MAINT-CHINANET
changed: hostmaster@ns.chinanet.cn.net 20000801
status: ALLOCATED PORTABLE
source: APNIC
Enjoy. |
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simonjo
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Aug 02, 2004 - 01:45 PM |
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Sorry you also have this one:
inetnum: 202.101.0.0 - 202.101.63.255
netname: CHINANET-SH
descr: China Telecom
descr: SHANGHAI PROVINCE NETWORK
country: CN
admin-c: CH93-AP
tech-c: XI5-AP
mnt-by: APNIC-HM
mnt-lower: MAINT-CHINANET-SH
changed: hm-changed@apnic.net 20031104
changed: hm-changed@apnic.net 20031112
status: ALLOCATED PORTABLE
source: APNIC
Regards. |
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Michael
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Aug 02, 2004 - 03:17 PM |
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If anyone is interested, we are setting up a hosting center in HK as we speak. The servers are all on line, have decent fast connections to the internet, have pretty decent services at pretty decent prices. The most basic small site package is US$24 a year plus $10 for a .com,.net. or .org domain. Contact me for more info if you are looking around for a hosting provider/domain registrar.
michael@shanghaiexpat.com |
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simonjo
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Aug 03, 2004 - 09:38 AM |
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Hello again,
After sending the email yesterday to a bunch of people in China and France (??), my problem is sloved. I can recieve my emails  )
Just need be polite and explain clearly the PB.
Cheers. |
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simonjo
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Aug 03, 2004 - 10:50 AM |
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Hello again,
Coz i have nothing to do before august 09 and i am still in Shanghai.
I am playing with 'Visualroute software.
What a fun game.
Gess what, i made trace on different web page here are some results:
online.sh.cn:
fast, 7 bonds, coz just in shanghai...
hao123.com:
ok, 10 bonds, you are still in china but goes to sichuan, and gess: when you get out of shanghai, you get the crap delay... not a big deal but you see it.
yahoo.com.cn:
ok, 13 bonds, you are still in china but goes to beijing...
google.com:
ok?, 21 bonds, you get to chicago: shanghai, beijing?, los angeles(UUNET+level 3 communications) then chicago.
yahoo.com:
ok?, 19 bonds, you get to sunnyvale: shanghai, beijing?, stockton, sanjose, broomfield then sunnyvale.
Main PB is always between 4 and 6 bonds when it seems to get out of Shanghai with these info:
inetnum: 218.1.0.0 - 218.1.255.255
netname: CHINANET-SH
descr: CHINANET Shanghai province network
descr: Data Communication Division
descr: China Telecom
country: CN
admin-c: CH93-AP
tech-c: XI5-AP
mnt-by: MAINT-CHINANET
mnt-lower: MAINT-CHINANET-SH
changed: hostmaster@ns.chinanet.cn.net 20010412
status: ALLOCATED PORTABLE
source: APNIC
person: Wu Xiao Li
address: Room 805,61 North Si Chuan Road,Shanghai,200085,PRC
country: CN
phone: +86-21-63630562
fax-no: +86-21-63630566
e-mail: ip-admin@mail.online.sh.cn
nic-hdl: XI5-AP
mnt-by: MAINT-CHINANET-SH
changed: ip-admin@mail.online.sh.cn 20010510
source: APNIC
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inetnum: 202.97.32.0 - 202.97.63.255
netname: CHINANET-BB
descr: CHINANET backbone network
descr: Data Communication Division
descr: China Telecom
country: CN
admin-c: CH93-AP
tech-c: CH93-AP
mnt-by: MAINT-CHINANET
changed: hostmaster@ns.chinanet.cn.net 20000801
status: ALLOCATED PORTABLE
source: APNIC
person: Chinanet Hostmaster
address: No.31 ,jingrong street,beijing
address: 100032
country: CN
phone: +86-10-66027112
fax-no: +86-10-58501144
e-mail: hostmaster@ns.chinanet.cn.net
e-mail: anti-spam@ns.chinanet.cn.net
nic-hdl: CH93-AP
mnt-by: MAINT-CHINANET
changed: hostmaster@ns.chinanet.cn.net 20021016
remarks: hostmaster is not for spam complaint,please send spam complaint to anti-spam@ns.chinanet.cn.net
source: APNIC
To get a full/complete investigation it will be a good idea for people geting out side of shanghai and using the web + 'visualroute' to do the same tests and get/save the info.
This way we/somebody could show/send info/email to everybody in shanghai, beijing, sichuan...
And then demonstrate the crap down here in shanghai for international connections.
Then I am pretty sure something would be done coz shanhgainese do not want lose the face with the other ones...
But may be it is a political issue in shanghai???
Cheers |
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simonjo
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Aug 03, 2004 - 10:57 AM |
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Sorry,
shanghaiexpat.com:
ok?, 14 bonds, shanghai, beijing, Hong-kong
 ... Cheers |
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simonjo
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Aug 05, 2004 - 10:06 AM |
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I do not want to bother any body but this is an extense of my "investigations":
There are in fact 2 major PB for internet connections in Shanghai.
1 - Geting out of Shanghai means get a "delay" of 100-200ms regarding if you are router through CHINANET or CNCGROUP servers (you have also some backbone servers...).
2 - Geting out of China means get different "delays" regarding the foreign servers:
* 150-200ms by FranceTelecom, Tiscali, UUNET (if you try other your Europe website you may found other results for Germany, England, Spain...)
* minimum 400-800 by Sprint(Sprintnet) servers
Another piece of info:
Somebody from servers administration from FranceTelecom send me an answer and told me my first PB (connection to emails...) was due to a configuration PB on their servers.
It would mean that China is not only responsable for these "delay" PBs.
Somebody must teach those web/admin/tech how to configure their servers!!!
(but in China we have to deal with politics...)
Bye. |
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SirFiddler
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Aug 05, 2004 - 04:41 PM |
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it's a rather general china telecom question but : it happens quite a lot recently that i lose connection and when i try to re-log on i get "remote computer does not respon" , as far as i can tell there is nothing you can do about this, but has anybody else that problem ? |
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simonjo
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urgentculture
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Aug 07, 2004 - 11:32 AM |
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Spoke with my new web host in America, and was told the reason some hosts are not doing business with China is because a lot of fraud comes from here. Stolen credit card numbers, fake names, etc.
As conformist and patriotic as so many individuals seem here, there sure are a lot of crooks who mess things up for the rest of us, curbing the tide of progress. |
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jkurtzig
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Aug 07, 2004 - 06:19 PM |
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Does anyone have a reliable web host in the US that's fast in China? My godaddy.com sucks. |
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