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salome
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there are lots problem in china, but this country is developing in such a delightful high speed, not only its economics, but also many other aspects. we may still have some bad habbits from old poor time, but definitely people has realized that, changing gradually.
remember when perfume was invented, europeans also refused to take bath. when i frist arrived europe, i was also astronished that women left white strips of their bra out of the dark outwear...
please keep an open mind and be understanding. thinking of things like that will not do harm to chinese, but destroy your feeling of daily life.
i can answer you the water problem: many families even till nowadays don't have a nice bathroom at home. taking a shower in winter may mean very cold and unconvenient for them. water and gas may still a big cost for those poor people. even some of them are living a good life, but they cannot change their old habbits in a sudden.
THIS IS A DEVELOPING COUNTRY. and this is a reason you guys come here to work since a developing country gives the outside world cheaper labors and investment chances. |
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rhuei
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Aiyo... I just want to tell everyone.. I believe that a people whose can own their own apartment still will steal a water, of course when they got chance to do that.. becoz I live at Tomson Golf Villa, and i saw my neighbour using public (Tomson) water to watering their own garden!! Me my self is Chinese overseas, I believe mostly Chinese will think ÄÜ Ê¡ ¾Í Ê¡£¡neng sheng jiu sheng ¨¤ if you can save then save.
And about people whose don¡¯t like to queque¡ well, you can ask them to queque, usually if someone cut off my line, I told him to back to the line and queque. Of course will be easier if you can speak Chinese, said Õˆ Äã ÅÅ ê ! Qing ni pai dui = please queque.
Well, take it easy lah.. no body is perfect! |
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IamME
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dude many people on the bus are so damn foul it's not even funny.
Actually I come across it fairly regularly. THe other day where I live there was this woman... whatever. ANyway people stink.
Plenty don't. Many pretty girls I'm pressed up against in the subway smell fragrently of their soaps and things. But man some people **** wreak. don't **** say chinese don't stink, it's the dumbest "my **** don't stink" sentance ever.
God what the hell is wrong with people here. I don't think it's wrong to be poor or stink, but it's wrong to say chinese people don't frequently stink, aren't regularly rude and aren't greedy agents!
Okay, now you can respond with something patriotic if you want littleignorantfemaledog.
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IamME
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Personally I have much less of a problem with the behaviors than the lack of analytical abillity the government has instilled in most of the population that causes them to make such ignorant statements about china such as littlefox is always making.
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frenchlover1999
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Lame: you truly deserve your nickname! |
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harvardmed
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Too much Stupid questions! Do you think you are better than Shanghai people?! Do not kidding me! To answer such questions, pls let me know: Why lots of wester suck their figers while eating?Why lots of people outside China have some kind of smell though they have shower everyday? Why the theater always warning people turn off cell in America? All your questions happen everywhere. All nations have their character, but mostly are similar. China, an lod land with 5000 year, when the chinese use paper, you guys were still use stone to clean your *******. If you do not like China, but air ticket, and get out! |
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Edgewood
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If you don't like us, then you get out. If the glorious Party will give you a passport. Or you could try sitting in an aircraft wheel well like your recent ancestors... |
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Rio
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I dont understand a clue of what some people are saying here, really I do not understand it. |
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go_home
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china is not your home country. i assume most people using this site are from very developed western countries. china has gone through tremendous political and social upheaval and that has been one of the root causes of many of the problems you see in china today.
i'm from the US and i can imagine if the US were to have gone through such turmoil, americans would be in the same situation.
china has the same land area as the united states but not all of it is completely habitable. so therefore, you have 1.3 billion people crammed into a space smaller than that of the US. if the US had a population of 1.3 billion, do you think there would be queing? of course not, no society can maintain that kind of order with such a overwhelming population.
chinese people do not stink. those who you think smell bad probably don't have the facilities you had growing up, didn't have the economic or educational opportunities you had. i think it is unfair and downright mean to say that. i have so many chinese friends and they are all extremely hygienic.
on your complaints about not getting straight answers, spitting, etc. yes WE ALL KNOW IT'S A PROBLEM. but it is not getting worse, it is getting better. if you are unsatisfied you have several options.
you can educate yourself about the social and political history of china and come to terms with the present situation. read articles, books, and whatever you can get your hands on to understand how we got here. don't just walk into someone's home and be like "oh this is **** up." you have no idea where these people came from and the tremendous pain and suffering they have gone through. if you had gone through the cultural revolution or had parents who went through it, you might understand why there are so many problems with this country.
you can find opportunities to educate these people. i'm sure you're quite educated. why don't you find a job where you can work with chinese and help educate them.
or you can leave. no one asked you to come. certainly not the chinese government or the chinese people. so you can go back to that wonderful country of yours, whichever industrialized, civilized, and advanced superpower you hail from and lead the brilliant life you were born into and so rightfully deserve.
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Rio
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This I understand, good first post! I totally agree with you. |
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serend
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I reckon "Go-home" is the alias of some frequent poster at this forum who's usually nice and calm. But Lame, rhuei and Edgewood finally provoked him/her to such a pitch of annoyance that a new alias must be invented to vent a bit.
Whoever you are, I agree with your post.
Of the three miscreants, Lame is just juvenile; he meant no harm. Rhuei...sigh... let's be charitable and say she was dealing with her inferiority complex very unsuccessfully. Edgewood got a weight problem that turned him into an hermit. In dire isolation and loneliness, the poor worm already decided to sell his mother down the river to whore for any attention. His current self-therapy is insulting China and Chinese.
So you see, Rio and Go-home, there's really no point to have a serious debate, because your opponents have zero interest in it. This biatching is NOT about China; it's more about the pathetic state of existence losers find themselves in. |
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matty
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Until 30 or 40 years ago many working class people in the UK didn't have baths, showers or an endless supply of hot water. My parents grew up in East London and were only allowed a bath once a week. Lots of old people in the UK that my mum works with don't bathe very often. They still strip wash. People didn't get into using deoderant in the West until fairly recently.Old habits can take a while to change even when economic circumstances develop.
We're all a product of our culture and upbringing so that it going to affect our habits. Nevertheless, I think it's pretty bigoted to spend a lot of time worrying if people from other countries have had a shower that day or have smelly breath. There are more important things to worry about.
Personally, I have not found other people's personal hygeine in Shanghai to be a big problem. |
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sun_bin
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I called it "The Great Divide"........where the West meet the East. This forum has somehow become a convenient venue for diverse opinions..... a melting pot in the making?
Originarily, 1 believe, this forum is supposed to be for expatriates, Western and Asian, coming/staying/leaving Shanghai. Somehow, it got itself so popular that the local population (mainland Chinese) was attracted to it in great number. So, you have locals wanting to learn English from foreigners and so on. When you have two camps of people babbling at the same time, problems bound to arise. Patriots will bicker with antagonists to a point of "people living beyond the Great Wall are barbarians....to......what so great about China inventing gunpowder when we invaded their country with guns". Edgewood even came out with a hypothesis that Chinese forefathers came to this earth (from outer space??) by travelling on aircraft wheels. Mind you, the Chinese today is unlike the Chinese during the Opium Wars. Just heard from Bloomsberg that Chinese PC maker, Lenovo (formerly called Legend), just signed on the dotted lines to purchase the entire PC business of IBM, a Big Blue - the pride of Western technology, for USD1.75b. That say how far the Chinese has progressed. They may still travel on aircraft wheels (or **** on buckets or live in caves) but they also have spare cash now to buy part of IBM.
This site belong to the site owner. None of us can claim occupation of it. It is with their generosity that we find a platform "to give and to receive information". Hence, no one has the right to call the other quit.
There is no such thing as you are Chinese, I am Westerner. We all live in this one big chunk of rock (3/4 filled with water) floating in space. If this rock smashed into another rock, then it is the end of all of us, be it white, yellow or black. We are children (and living creatures) of this earth and our perspective, understanding and tolerance should find no boundary within its confines.
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serend
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Personally, I've never met any Chinese who thinks of westerners as "foreign devils" or "barbarians". But I do know many expats here who regard Chinese as lesser human beings.
Above is not an argument but an observation of fact. |
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Franky
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So you see, Rio and Go-home, there's really no point to have a serious debate, because your opponents have zero interest in it. This biatching is NOT about China; it's more about the pathetic state of existence losers find themselves in.
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well said, serend, it's the usual way for ppl like Edgewood to rile others up with his crap. with reading more his posts, this trick is getting boring, fortunately most expat i met here are very kind |
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fukuman
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maybe its something about mainlanders in general, i mean all the scum from mainland UK r just mindless meathead animals, but us mofos from "Northern Ireland" r so civilised , cultured and witty, just like the frogs in Jersey |
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sobie
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Some questions......
1. Why don't people shower? I have been told many don't have showers but it seems that even those educated and wealthy ones that can afford to fly abroad also don't shower.
2. Why do people queue jump and then refuse to queue when asked? Is face so important that they cannot do the right thing? We were even scolded by the ticket seller for asking someone to queue because as she put it we were "causing trouble"!!!
3. Why does nobody smile here? is everyone's life so miserable?
4. Why do people like to argue with you and give you a million reasons why something is not possible? eg. The gas company workers, China Telecom, etc.
5. Why do people all give you a different answer (procedure) when you ask them how to do something? Ask 3 people in a company something and get 3 different procedures.
6. Why are people so selfish that they refuse to turn off their mobile phones in the cinema or during presentations, meetings. I even see couples in restaurants staring into their mobile phones SMSing instead focussing on each other.
7. Why do people have to shout into their mobile phones?
8. Why can't people let you get off a bus, elevator or subway before getting on?
9. Why do people just walk into you, even if you are the only person on the street at 11pm?
10. Why do people spit everywhere and throw garbage out of car windows and bus windows? Don't they love their country?
11. Why is China Eastern airlines flights always late or cancelled and nobody from the airline can tell you why?
12. Why do I, as a driver, have to pay 10% of a pedestrian's or cyclists "economic loss" if they do something stupid and hit me? This happened to me a few weeks ago. It is the law here. |
we'll never know won't we? are these questions rhetorical? |
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sobie
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Dec 09, 2004 - 11:15 PM |
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GUD4KIKS: if you find yourself asking all these questions, maybe you should ask yourself.... WHY ARE YOU IN CHINA? |
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inexile
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All,
This message is really directed to the Chinese posters rather than the expats...I don't want to criticize, just understand.
Many of posters have reconted the history behind Chinese behavior that some expats find strange. I think it all comes down to behavior that a person is accustomed to.
The discussion about Chinese people smelling "bad" is a good example. I'm not in Shanghai yet but it's my sense that we foreigners probably smell just as "bad" to the Chinese. We don't really notice all of the products we use that have a smell such as hair gel, deoderant, cologne, mouth wash...whatever. We are immune because we are used to it, but to a Chinese person we probably smell strong. Chinese probably are not as offended by body "odor" because it is not a new/different experience. In this case, I may not enjoy being around people that don't smell like me, but at least I understand.
The discussion on queing though is what I want to understand better. I'm American so that's where my point of view comes from and my view is that when you want something that others also want you have to wait in line if they got there first. Sometimes either intentionally or not you end up going ahead of a person that was waiting longer than you....like when there are two ques for the same serivce...one que always seems to move faster. If I get what I want before another person who has waited longer, I feel guilty because it seems unfair becuase it seems improper to assume that that person's time is worth less than mine. So the question is... When a Chinese person jumps the que, what is going on in their head?...do they have the same feeling of guilt, or is it just a case of that's how things are done in China? I'm not judging anybody...I just want to know.
By the way, there was a post about the camera theft that suggested that Chinese people may smile in some situtations to express embarassment which made Westerners think they were being laughed at. I found this information very enlightening... but I asked my Chinese teacher (from Beijing) about the phenomenon and he didn't agree...so maybe it's regional? |
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Jill
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Some questions......
1. Why don't people shower? I have been told many don't have showers but it seems that even those educated and wealthy ones that can afford to fly abroad also don't shower.
- How comes! My Ayi take a shower everyday!
2. Why do people queue jump and then refuse to queue when asked? Is face so important that they cannot do the right thing? We were even scolded by the ticket seller for asking someone to queue because as she put it we were "causing trouble"!!!
- Learn some chinese conversations will solve this problem, such as;
* xiao jie, qing ni pai dui. (Please be on queue, miss). And if she doesn't care, you just say;
* ni you mei you kan dao wo zai pai dui? (Do you see that I'm on queue now)? But if she still stands in front of you... em let me see...
* rang kai! (Stay away and let me go in). But if you want a shortcut, just shout in english then jump on her. lol.
3. Why does nobody smile here? is everyone's life so miserable?
- Cuz it's too cold now. They don't have money to buy 'La Mer'. Then their faces will be too dry to smile. Easy, this question is so easy to answer.
4. Why do people like to argue with you and give you a million reasons why something is not possible? eg. The gas company workers, China Telecom, etc.
- They gave me so many reasons reminded me the song 'Sorry seem to be the hardest word'. Luckily, 'Mission Impossible' doesn't have a song they can sing to me.
5. Why do people all give you a different answer (procedure) when you ask them how to do something? Ask 3 people in a company something and get 3 different procedures.
- That always happen in every countries, I think.
6. Why are people so selfish that they refuse to turn off their mobile phones in the cinema or during presentations, meetings. I even see couples in restaurants staring into their mobile phones SMSing instead focussing on each other.
- Chinese are all businessman as you know. Even the way they walk on the street then push you, see, their business grow up so fast!
7. Why do people have to shout into their mobile phones?
- Cuz they don't know how to adjust their voices.
8. Why can't people let you get off a bus, elevator or subway before getting on?
- Go to answer 6.
9. Why do people just walk into you, even if you are the only person on the street at 11pm?
- It's a good time to attack you when the police's taking a nap.
10. Why do people spit everywhere and throw garbage out of car windows and bus windows? Don't they love their country?
- They love their feet more than their country, of course.
11. Why is China Eastern airlines flights always late or cancelled and nobody from the airline can tell you why?
- All China airlines do the same thing. It's their service guarantee.
12. Why do I, as a driver, have to pay 10% of a pedestrian's or cyclists "economic loss" if they do something stupid and hit me? This happened to me a few weeks ago. It is the law here.
- That's why I heard about some chineses will jump in front of your car, be careful then. |
BTW, my first year in Shanghai also made me feel the same way. But after I found some friends and went out, I found that Shanghai was such a nice place to enjoy your life. Try it and enjoy the way they treat you.
Have a nice day. |
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Some questions......
1. Why don't people shower? I have been told many don't have showers but it seems that even those educated and wealthy ones that can afford to fly abroad also don't shower.
2. Why do people queue jump and then refuse to queue when asked? Is face so important that they cannot do the right thing? We were even scolded by the ticket seller for asking someone to queue because as she put it we were "causing trouble"!!!
3. Why does nobody smile here? is everyone's life so miserable?
4. Why do people like to argue with you and give you a million reasons why something is not possible? eg. The gas company workers, China Telecom, etc.
5. Why do people all give you a different answer (procedure) when you ask them how to do something? Ask 3 people in a company something and get 3 different procedures.
6. Why are people so selfish that they refuse to turn off their mobile phones in the cinema or during presentations, meetings. I even see couples in restaurants staring into their mobile phones SMSing instead focussing on each other.
7. Why do people have to shout into their mobile phones?
8. Why can't people let you get off a bus, elevator or subway before getting on?
9. Why do people just walk into you, even if you are the only person on the street at 11pm?
10. Why do people spit everywhere and throw garbage out of car windows and bus windows? Don't they love their country?
11. Why is China Eastern airlines flights always late or cancelled and nobody from the airline can tell you why?
12. Why do I, as a driver, have to pay 10% of a pedestrian's or cyclists "economic loss" if they do something stupid and hit me? This happened to me a few weeks ago. It is the law here.[quote]
Some answers:
This thread just caught my attention. There are still so many improvements desired in today's China as in anywhere on this planet. Patience man, patience.
1. They normally don't smell too bad due to less meateating;
2. They seem always in a hurry because life is too short;
3. They have too much on their mind; how to make tomorrow better than today for them;
4. They act like American lawyers;
5. Everyone deserves the right to have his/her own opinion in a "democratic society."
6. Because they are living in a such commercially driven society now but their manners somewhat don't catch up with "western standards."
7. Bad cell phone connections or have hearing problem from listening too much Rock & Roll?
8. Always try to be the "first" in an overcrowded environment;
9. Need your attention and to have a brief "bonding" time with you;
10. If everyone else is doing it, I shall go with the flow;
11. Poor mgt, ripe for a takeover;
12. You pay if you cause other's physical injury or personal property loss.
Edgewood, I dislike your postings in general and resent your icon as Japanese soldier in WWII in particular. Two days ago it was Pearl Harbour day here. We all remember what that icon meant. |
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One_Brick_Shy
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If you had someone lock up a generation of citizens and call it a Cultural Revolution, you too would do all those things. |
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or you can leave. no one asked you to come. certainly not the chinese government or the chinese people. so you can go back to that wonderful country of yours, whichever industrialized, civilized, and advanced superpower you hail from and lead the brilliant life you were born into and so rightfully deserve.
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Right on, Joshua. Your wisdom is exceeded only by your number of posts to this site! |
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fukuman
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could u guys just cut the crap and say they r scum.
i swear to god, i could nail ur guys mom up the a$$ and u'd be all like "he had a troubled childhood" |
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yoolane
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well, all you write seems a pheonomenon in China... all the things you think most Chinese didn't do the correct way, yes, but , all the rule in what you said thing(eg,use cell phone) is create by you, we need time to STUDY , is just the same like, if you are in China, you have lunch in a really traditional Chinese restraunt , do you know the etiquette? and how will we Chinese think about you when you have traditional Chinese food in your way!!! IT IS the same! so, PLease have a kind kind heart to the world ! AND also if you do not know much about a strange country, do not use too many words shouting! Selfish? Chinese or YOU! |
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