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ShanghaiUnderground
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Jan 31, 2005 - 11:33 PM |
 
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God Bless those Germans [edited to read less offensively]; this is progress.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/01/30/wgerm3 0.xml
A 25-year-old waitress who turned down a job providing "sexual services'' at a brothel in Berlin faces possible cuts to her unemployment benefit under laws introduced this year.
Prostitution was legalised in Germany just over two years ago and brothel owners ? who must pay tax and employee health insurance ? were granted access to official databases of jobseekers.
The waitress, an unemployed information technology professional, had said that she was willing to work in a bar at night and had worked in a cafe.
She received a letter from the job centre telling her that an employer was interested in her "profile'' and that she should ring them. Only on doing so did the woman, who has not been identified for legal reasons, realise that she was calling a brothel.
Under Germany's welfare reforms, any woman under 55 who has been out of work for more than a year can be forced to take an available job ? including in the sex industry ? or lose her unemployment benefit. Last month German unemployment rose for the 11th consecutive month to 4.5 million, taking the number out of work to its highest since reunification in 1990.
The government had considered making brothels an exception on moral grounds, but decided that it would be too difficult to distinguish them from bars. As a result, job centres must treat employers looking for a prostitute in the same way as those looking for a dental nurse.
When the waitress looked into suing the job centre, she found out that it had not broken the law. Job centres that refuse to penalise people who turn down a job by cutting their benefits face legal action from the potential employer.
"There is now nothing in the law to stop women from being sent into the sex industry," said Merchthild Garweg, a lawyer from Hamburg who specialises in such cases. "The new regulations say that working in the sex industry is not immoral any more, and so jobs cannot be turned down without a risk to benefits."
Miss Garweg said that women who had worked in call centres had been offered jobs on telephone sex lines. At one job centre in the city of Gotha, a 23-year-old woman was told that she had to attend an interview as a "nude model", and should report back on the meeting. Employers in the sex industry can also advertise in job centres, a move that came into force this month. A job centre that refuses to accept the advertisement can be sued.
Tatiana Ulyanova, who owns a brothel in central Berlin, has been searching the online database of her local job centre for recruits.
"Why shouldn't I look for employees through the job centre when I pay my taxes just like anybody else?" said Miss Ulyanova.
Ulrich Kueperkoch wanted to open a brothel in Goerlitz, in former East Germany, but his local job centre withdrew his advertisement for 12 prostitutes, saying it would be impossible to find them.
Mr Kueperkoch said that he was confident of demand for a brothel in the area and planned to take a claim for compensation to the highest court. Prostitution was legalised in Germany in 2002 because the government believed that this would help to combat trafficking in women and cut links to organised crime.
Miss Garweg believes that pressure on job centres to meet employment targets will soon result in them using their powers to cut the benefits of women who refuse jobs providing sexual services.
"They are already prepared to push women into jobs related to sexual services, but which don't count as prostitution,'' she said.
"Now that prostitution is no longer considered by the law to be immoral, there is really nothing but the goodwill of the job centres to stop them from pushing women into jobs they don't want to do." |
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Edgewood
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Feb 01, 2005 - 07:13 AM |
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Does Germany have a 99.9% rule, too? |
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SirFiddler
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Feb 01, 2005 - 11:26 AM |
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So they did actually receive my letter on how to improve lifestyle in germany ...
Brilliant... |
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cornsey1011
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Feb 01, 2005 - 11:30 AM |
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Hahahah...i can see the Chancellor now looking over the letters and email ramblings of one SirFiddler.
Come on Fiddler, give us your advice on how to solve the problems in Germany.
1. The airline industry
2. The unemployment problem
3. Issues of reunification
4. The stagnant economy
5. The fact that German women are either uberbabes or absolute dog ugly....where is the middle gene?
It might be interesting to know. |
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SirFiddler
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Feb 01, 2005 - 11:44 AM |
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1.) What do you mean when talking about airline industry ? Passenger/Cargo ? Please be specific
2.) Unemployment problem : Like back in the 20's , get an austrian in, promise jobs,elect him fuehrer, attack Poland and then make all these jobless bastards work in the weapons industry.
or in connection with 3.)
Find a chinese multibillionaire, mail 5 mil bricks ( one to each jobless person ) build the wall again, make sure the 5 mil jobless are on the right side, make the chinese multibillionaire "Genosse" and leader of the new GDR, re-invent communism
4.) With 5 mil people less to take care of, the economy will recover quickly, especially now that I sold the chinese the extension of their Maglev train to Hangzhou.
5.) Sent all ugly women to the new GDR ( see 3 ) . There is no need for a middle gene. |
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lucar
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Feb 01, 2005 - 12:00 PM |
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Drizzle? What have you been calling in pranks at the Job Center again? |
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Paulo
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Feb 01, 2005 - 12:38 PM |
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If the prostitute works mainly from home and spends up to eight-to eleven hours on her back, I think it is a great job! |
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lucar
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Feb 01, 2005 - 12:43 PM |
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^I agree with you there. If you are required to flip over it's a different story though. |
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BaDaXianRen
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Feb 01, 2005 - 01:09 PM |
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cant the ladies just take the job...........refuse to do the job.........get fired from the brothel.................go back on the dole? |
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Edgewood
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Feb 01, 2005 - 02:04 PM |
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Nice one Fidds. I am tempted to solve the problems of Global Warming and Ozone Layer Depletion. Hell, it can't be any harder than the brilliant solutions you just came up with!
Let me know if you need Dr. Edgewoods services... |
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SirFiddler
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Feb 01, 2005 - 02:16 PM |
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I was actually leader of a small resistance group back home in Germany. Which is why I had to leave back home, it was getting too hot there if you know what I mean.
We were responsible for the Irish-Pub massacre on one spring day in 2001, where we captured and killed 221 pints of Guiness. A couple of days later we ignited 17grams of finest Jamaican and literally flew straight into Hong Kong's new airport without the use of an airplane...
It has become quiet in the Underground eversince. I would love to discuss my visions of a free KangQiao with you. We can overthrow the regime in my house and call it THE FREE STATES OF FIDDLEWOOD or something like that....
VIVE LA MENSTRUATION |
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Edgewood
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Feb 01, 2005 - 03:13 PM |
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Can I put up a sign at the borders of Fiddlewood, banning dogs and sundry ethnic groups (unless the dogs have been house-trained)? |
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SirFiddler
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Feb 01, 2005 - 03:17 PM |
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Edge, if we're the prez's we make the laws... and as it's definitely going to be a multi-democracy everybody gets his say... |
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Edgewood
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Feb 01, 2005 - 03:31 PM |
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Right then. I want to liberate/annex Shaanxi.
No reason, just because. We can rename it the Semi Automomous Region of Shan't-See.
Actually, I think Fiddlewood does in fact have an ancient and valid historical claim to this area. And I'm sure the locals will be delighted to be liberated and pay extra tax to us.
I've been giving it some thought, and I think we can improve the lives of our new people by forcing them to smelt plutonium in backyard furnaces, and grow extra crops, which we shall give away to foreign nations in order to gain face.
Today Shan't-See, tomorrow Ningxia Huizu Zizhiqu... The world can wait until after Spring Festival. |
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SirFiddler
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Feb 01, 2005 - 03:52 PM |
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Brilliant ... They'd be Fiddlewoodians then... We speak fiddlewoodish and the capitol is named Fiddleweed.
Andreas would be put in command of our naval fleet, GlasgowCraig our Foreign Minister. Nobody understands his Accent, so no troubles with anyone ever.
Our Army would consist of STUNNING Superbabes, MaoMingMaster could recruit them, he's got quite a good taste. Nobody would want to shoot at them in times of war, in times of peace we get our shot at them  |
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Edgewood
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Feb 01, 2005 - 04:04 PM |
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Red & Blue - Shan't-See & New Territories
Green - Disputed Zone |
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Edgewood
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Er, gonna be a small navy for Admiral Von Ober-Gruppen Andreas. Especially the Submarine Corps. We got a lake though: Zhidan. And we could start a naval blockade of Inner Mongolia, no problems. |
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SirFiddler
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Feb 01, 2005 - 04:23 PM |
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I would prefer trying a peaceful solution first. Get them all in a bar , drinking contest. Last man standing wins...Then off to our 24/7 "all-you-can-do" brothels to celebrate... |
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Edgewood
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Feb 01, 2005 - 04:38 PM |
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Not sure I want to try that drinking contest with those Mongolians.
Why not go to the 24/7 brothels with some Mongolian women... Last man standing wins a drinking contest? |
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SirFiddler
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^ I see where you are going with this and I like it... I'll send a messenger....
CORNSEY : ON YOUR HORSE |
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SirFiddler
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^ I see where you are going with this and I like it... I'll send a messenger....
CORNSEY : ON YOUR HORSE |
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Nick-la
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Feb 01, 2005 - 09:13 PM |
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There was a similar case in the UK.
Then the famous shop 'Anne Summers' legally battled to say that they were a sex shop... or not a sex shop... or something, god knows what it was. I do know that it happened though. I think. |
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skyline5k
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Feb 02, 2005 - 12:52 PM |
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http://www.snopes.com/media/notnews/brothel.asp Check this out for some further reading on this.
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Origins: A news story about a 25-year-old German woman who faced cuts to her unemployment benefits for turning down a job providing "sexual services'' at a brothel was carried by a variety of English-language news sources in January 2005. It has struck a chord in many readers as an example of liberal morality and bureaucracy run amok: if prostitution is legalized (as it was in Germany back in 2002), this story suggests, then society has conferred its approval upon that trade, and prostitution can therefore be proffered to (and even foisted upon) women as a valid choice of employment.
We remain skeptical about the literal truth of the version reported in the English press, however, because the issue seems to have received scant attention in the German press (at least that we can find). Most German-language sources on this topic point to an 18 December 2004 article from the Berlin newspaper Tageszeitung, which (as far as our rusty command of German allows us to discern) does not report that women in Germany must accept employment in brothels or face cuts in their unemployment benefits. The article merely presents that concept as a technical possibility under current law — it does not cite any actual cases of women losing their benefits over this issue, and it quotes representatives from employment agencies as saying that while it might be legally permissible to reduce unemployment benefits to women who have declined to accept employment as prostitutes, they (the agencies) would not actually do that. The thrust of the article seems to be that there is a loophole in the law which has not yet exploited and should be closed.
We suspect this is another case where, like a game of "telephone," a story has been garbled as it has passed from one news source to the next, and somewhere in the rewriting and translating process what was originally discussed as a mere hypothetical possibility has now been reported as a factual occurrence.
Last updated: 31 January 2005 |
edit: screw it, I'll just cut/paste the whole thing. |
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Andreas
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Feb 02, 2005 - 04:43 PM |
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Dive ! Dive ! Battle stations, down scope ! |
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Edgewood
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Admiral on the bridge! |
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