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carrol

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Posted: Feb 04, 2005 - 07:59 AM
Post subject: CHINESE MEDICINE

I read about a man from Finland, who suffered with terrible ulcers on his legs, for 17 years. Eventually his family sent him to China to see if he could be helped. Using Chinese Medicine, he was totally cured in 2 months !! If anyone who reads this has such a personal success story to tell, I'd really like to hear it.

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Posted: Feb 04, 2005 - 01:28 PM

hahahahahahah!

[couh] [cough] bullfeces [cough]

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Edgewood
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Posted: Feb 10, 2005 - 11:29 PM

Perhaps you should should study... well... medicine. Or history

Or reality.

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xixi
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Posted: Feb 11, 2005 - 12:00 AM

Chinese medicine does work sometimes, but it is very hard to measure its efficacy. If a traditional Chinese doctor gets some serious disease, the first thing he will do is go to a doctor who studied modern medicine. Actually most Chinese medicine doctors don't have much confidence in what they practice. In some ways, the history of Chinese medicine practice is a sort of combination of half folklore and half truth.

MikeStrong

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Posted: Feb 11, 2005 - 04:01 AM

Back in the 80's I was a foreman in a refrigerated warehouse, and I developed really bad carpul tunnel syndrom. My arm was swollen and throbbing with pain. I went to the company doctor who told me that I could get an operation, but the chances that it would do any good where nil to none.

I sought out a doctor of Traditional Chinese Medicine who was studying Western Medicine at The University of Iowa. After five acupunture treatments the swelling was completly gone and the pain was reduced by 90%. I quit practicing Aikido and took up Chinese Internal Martial Arts. After two years of practicing Nei Gong the wrist pain was totally gone, and in twenty years I have never experienced a relapse.

TCM is an art. And like any art there are different areas or specialties that a doctor will excel in... One doc might be very good at treating nerve pain; while another will only really get results when treating problems related to the digestive system.

Here's a tip: if you find a TCM doctor who is a wiz at treating skin conditions, you have found an ace.

mikestrong

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Posted: Feb 11, 2005 - 09:39 AM

Acupuncture isn't Chinese.

Right? Comments, LF and sino_whino ?

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olli

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Posted: Feb 11, 2005 - 12:41 PM

BEWARE! Here comes some knowledge:

Acupuncture comes from the latin words "acus" and "pungere", which means "needle" and "stich", the chinese Name (which I do not know exactly) means "stich" and "burn". Burn describes the action of heating the needle with burning dried herbs.
As far as i know this method IS chinese and about 4000 years old. Actually I found in the internet, that the oldest book about acupuncture is the
"Huang Di Nei Jing" the book of the yellow emperor (huang di, 2697–2596 BC), containing dialogues between him and his doctors.

However the origin of acupuncture is not assured. (Cannot in my opinion, since it is too old and written history is somwhat an inaccurate presentation of the facts at this time) but most facts indicate, that China is the land of origin. If you go with some "experts", Edgewood, that this fantastic medical technic could not have been developed this early, you can believe there might have been extraterrestrial powers working here Wink

Others consider, that some doctors observed changings for the good and the bad in the health of the soldiers, wearing armors, getting bruised etc.

In germany acupuncture is used since the 18th century for e.g. the prussian kings. Quite late, right?

Hope that's the info you were looking for... Very Happy

Neroccio

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Posted: Feb 11, 2005 - 04:52 PM

Was introduced to TCM after suffering recurring headaches during exercise, Regular GP and no explaination and could only give me painkillers. This went on for several weeks before a friend reccomended a TCM doctor. Was pretty skeptical but thought i'd give it a try was trying to prepare for a major sports event that was only a couple of months off but couldn't train so was willing to try anything at that stage

The treatment used was first cupping -a small round container with a vacuum that sucks a wad of flesh into it that is them massaged around the back. Turned my back black and blue and left all these weird hard lumps of black stuff under the skin that the doctor said was gunk from old injuries. These supposedly caused a partial chi blockage in my neck resulting in headaches when blood/energy circulating due to exercise couldn't move fast enough from my head down my spine.

Was still getting some minor symptoms after the bruising cleared up so went back a second time -a sucker for punishment...

the second treatment was quite bizarre, he spent a good 30 minutes lightly slapping my back with the back of his hands -was ok for the first few minutes but after that it was pure agony. The explaination was that while the cupping dislodged a lot of the shallow blockages he needed to use chi projections to push the deaper blockages to the surface where they could dissapate. With each slap he transmitted Chi into the body where it would reflect back and dislodge the bad stuff. Afterwards I could hardly lie down for two days and it looked like I had been run over by a truck. Sounds a bit like quackery i know but after the bruising cleared up I never had another problem and would happily use TCM to complement western treatments

On a side note this piqued my interest in the subject so I started studying Taichi under the same Doctors Tai Chi School and like mikestrong have found it great for RSI & other chronic problems resulting from sitting on my ass at work too much. If anyone is interested in finding out more they run an informative website http://www.singongtaichi.com/ ...Profession Yek is a scary dude to watch in action -small old dude controlling two hulking black belts with nothing but his little finger.

okido

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Posted: Feb 12, 2005 - 05:02 AM

T for Traditional. I guess.

But, Carrol, what's the point of sharing success stories? Those who believe do not need to listen to more stories. Those who refuse to believe will not believe in it no matter how many stories you tell them. Unless, unfortunately, one day they find modern medicines failed to solve their problems.

MikeStrong

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Posted: Feb 12, 2005 - 07:21 AM

TCM = Traditional Chinese Medicine.

Acupunture= Jen Jyou, Jen(needle) Jyou (???ahhh I'm a little rusty).

Here are two more stories:

I was living in Taichung, and I must have eaten a bad bowl of noodles, or something; (people say you should hold no truck with street vendors, but thier food is so tasty).. . Anyway, I had a bad case of food poisoning and I thought I was going pass out, spraying blood and bile from both ends. A friend saw me and said I was white as a ghost. He asked me if I'd been eating street food agine; and when I said yes he just laughed and fetched me a little vile of Bao Ji Wan.

I didn't think twice. I downed the little reddish-brown pills, and after about a minute I broke out in a lime-green sweat! I'm serious, I had great big beads of what looked like Mountain Dew pouring out of me, and at that point I realized I felt completly better.

I'd tell you the second story, but it involves two TCM doctors having a kind of show down, with stroke victims getting up out of wheel chairs and speaking for the first time in years...

You probably wouldn't believe me.

mikestrong

ps: I'm wearing a pair of over-alls, so I used the country-fried phrase,"hold no truck"; which means "to have nothing to do with".

okido

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Posted: Feb 14, 2005 - 08:11 AM

"Jyou" means burning herbs. Usually, it's a mixture of Chinese mugwort and other herbs.

There are no short of "miracles" in TCM. Some tips are useful to know. When someone has a stroke, immediately releasing a drop of blood from the fingers by piercing the all ten finger tips with needle or sharp knife can avoid termanent or long-term brain damage.

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Posted: Feb 14, 2005 - 11:27 AM

yesssss....................

Next, please.

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Posted: Feb 20, 2005 - 05:00 PM

Carrol, can you explain the rationale behind "The lazy man always does twice the work"? Do you mean lazy people think a lot about how to do things with less effort and thus make innovations?