| Author |
Message |
lemongrass
StreetBeater
Joined: Jan 15, 2005
Posts: 2437
|
 Posted:
July 15, 2005 - 12:10 AM |
 
|
|
FreeSoul does your place have a live band? |
|
|
|
|
hoolioh
Ranter
Joined: Jan 31, 2005
Posts: 513
Location: Pudong, Shanghai
|
| Posted:
July 15, 2005 - 01:18 AM |
|
|
|
 |
|
FreeSoul
Seeker
Joined: June 20, 2005
Posts: 71
Status: Offline
|
| Posted:
July 15, 2005 - 01:40 AM |
|
|
lemongrass,
Not yet but we are considering to have it in the future.What kind of music do you recommend? Tell me your idea.  |
|
|
|
|
|
FreeSoul
Seeker
Joined: June 20, 2005
Posts: 71
Status: Offline
|
| Posted:
July 15, 2005 - 01:52 AM |
|
|
|
|
|
|
DeeLphiC
Low Seater
Joined: Mar 11, 2005
Posts: 3333
Status: Offline
|
| Posted:
July 15, 2005 - 08:57 AM |
|
|
Hi SweetSoul, I may not be able to make it tonight ... well ... it depends ... not sure yet.
Hey hoo - yay roll on the boooozeday party!!! lol
D |
|
|
|
|
|
FreeSoul
Seeker
Joined: June 20, 2005
Posts: 71
Status: Offline
|
| Posted:
July 15, 2005 - 09:20 AM |
|
|
DeeLphiC,
O.K. At your convenience. We are open until 3am everyday and waiting for you with mijito  |
|
|
|
|
|
Kiwi
Post Boaster
Joined: May 07, 2003
Posts: 4972
Status: Offline
|
| Posted:
July 15, 2005 - 10:05 AM |
|
|
I ask what tempertaure the ice is, the bar management ignore me, and a certain mentally unstable patron warns me to stay away.
Dyniquee, go f**ck yourself OK?
Dear Free Soul, I'll ask again. . . What temperature is your ice?
You do realize you can't make a good cocktail unless your ice is at least minus 15 degrees celcius, right? If you are really serious about this cocktail making thing then you shold consider providing really good quality ice. And carve it by hand with an ice pick. Now then you would have the foundations for a decent bar.
See. . . I'm trying to help. |
_________________
Always blow on the pie |
|
|
|
|
DeeLphiC
Low Seater
Joined: Mar 11, 2005
Posts: 3333
Status: Offline
|
| Posted:
July 15, 2005 - 10:23 AM |
|
|
| Quote: |
---------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------
I ask what tempertaure the ice is, the bar management ignore me, and a certain mentally unstable patron warns me to stay away.
|
That is just what you rightfully DESERVE Da-lovely-and-temperate-friendly-open-minded-ambitious-generous-with-a -thing-for-Oriental-girls-fashionably-dressed-KIWI-BOY (LMAO!!!)!!!
If you cannot f**ck yourself, well, try to ice your a-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s, with at least minus 15 degrees celcius (woow thanks for the educational info.!!!) oh so good ice.
D |
|
|
|
|
|
DeeLphiC
Low Seater
Joined: Mar 11, 2005
Posts: 3333
Status: Offline
|
| Posted:
July 15, 2005 - 10:24 AM |
|
|
Stay away ... don't spoil our party thread! You almost DID!!
D |
|
|
|
|
|
FreeSoul
Seeker
Joined: June 20, 2005
Posts: 71
Status: Offline
|
| Posted:
July 15, 2005 - 11:04 AM |
|
|
Hi, Kiwi,
I just couldn't get the meaning of your question but now I checked the temperature of our freezer.It indicates minus 8. Maybe not cool enough for you... Anyway, thank you for your suggestion.  |
|
|
|
|
|
Kiwi
Post Boaster
Joined: May 07, 2003
Posts: 4972
Status: Offline
|
| Posted:
July 15, 2005 - 11:44 AM |
|
|
Dyniquee, why do you insist in following me around the boards and slagging me off? I try to politely ignore you. You can't seem to act like an adult and return the favor. F**ck off please.
Freesoul, it isn't a question of the ice not being cool enough 'for me'. I am just giving you some pointers on how to make a good cocktail. We aren't discussing my personal preference here, we are discussing the immutable laws of mixology.
Ice at minus 8 melts too fast when it comes into contact with spirits, juices, water etc. You want to be at least minus 15, or probably minus 18.
When you put minus 8 ice into a cocktail shaker you end up with a drink with too high a water content when it is poured. The drink will taste watery and lose its chill too quickly.
Another consideration is that cube machine ice melts too fast due to having a greater surface area compared to hand-carved block ice (the ideal choice). The result is a drink (say a scotch on the rocks) that warms and becomes watery too fast. For drinks served 'on the rocks' the ideal is a single large rock, not lots of small rocks.
Temperature is the key to getting cocktails right. 99% of bars get it wrong. If you could join the 1%. . . well. . . you would then have an excellent selling point.
To some extent you can offset the effects of insufficiently cold ice by being very very generous when filling the cocktail shaker with ice. But at the end of the day this not a true solution. It's a bit like wiping your nose on your sleeve - we've all done it, and it kind of works, but using tissues is so much nicer. |
_________________
Always blow on the pie |
|
|
|
|
Kiwi
Post Boaster
Joined: May 07, 2003
Posts: 4972
Status: Offline
|
| Posted:
July 15, 2005 - 11:45 AM |
|
|
Unfortunately Shanghai's bar bosses and patrons are a pack of 'shameless sleeve wipers'. |
_________________
Always blow on the pie |
|
|
|
|
DeeLphiC
Low Seater
Joined: Mar 11, 2005
Posts: 3333
Status: Offline
|
| Posted:
July 15, 2005 - 12:06 PM |
|
|
Geeeeeeez ... where is Merdy when you need him... !
following you around?!? Ha I need a break ... can you give me that?!? GIMME A BREAK.
D |
|
|
|
|
|
Kiwi
Post Boaster
Joined: May 07, 2003
Posts: 4972
Status: Offline
|
| Posted:
July 15, 2005 - 12:20 PM |
|
|
You started it, so yes you are followng me around.
These days I ignore all of your posts no matter how stupid. Just don't direct your stupidity at me please. Then we will have no problems.
Now lets return to the fascinating subject of ice temperature. . . |
_________________
Always blow on the pie |
|
|
|
|
lemongrass
StreetBeater
Joined: Jan 15, 2005
Posts: 2437
|
| Posted:
July 15, 2005 - 12:42 PM |
|
|
D I gonna PM merdy to get him back. The website is boring without him. 
FreeSoul I prefer Latin and house music. Very loud and noisy ones. |
|
|
|
|
|
DeeLphiC
Low Seater
Joined: Mar 11, 2005
Posts: 3333
Status: Offline
|
| Posted:
July 15, 2005 - 12:54 PM |
|
|
Latin Jazz ... reggeaton (not too many!!!) will be so koooooooool ...
D |
|
|
|
|
|
Kiwi
Post Boaster
Joined: May 07, 2003
Posts: 4972
Status: Offline
|
| Posted:
July 15, 2005 - 01:22 PM |
|
|
Yes, we really need Merdy back.
Hey, why bother to discuss anything at all? Lets just throw **** at each other. That would be fun.
Freesoul, I prefer quiet music. I go to a bar to drink and talk, not to scream into the ear of the person next to me.
But it kind of depends what custom you are going after. We are in China after all, and many Chinese people don't appreciate the pleasure that can be obtained from having a relaxing and well mixed drink while listening to the expertly delivered witticisms of good friends. Instead Chinese people find nirvana in skulling low quality but high priced booze while screaming numbers at one another, all against a background of very black walls, very loud music, and very young girls. Apparently it has something to do with 5000 years of history. As a westerner I cannot claim to fully understand the phenomenon. I can merely look on and dream about one day evolving to a level that would allow me to join in the fun. |
_________________
Always blow on the pie |
|
|
|
|
littlefox
Fire-eater
Joined: Nov 23, 2003
Posts: 2779
|
| Posted:
July 15, 2005 - 06:13 PM |
|
|
Yes, girls, let's get merdy back, he is cool and I miss his classic asssssswipes line!
Free soul, I reckon you are looking for ideas here to get more customers.
My opinions:
1. keep the drinks decent with reasonable price.
2. You may ask people for their opinions on music or future events, but you have to decide what kind of bar you want it to be yourself, since too many bars in Shanghai are just playing the same game. If you have something different, you might really stand out.
3. a good friendly atomosphere is enough for most bar hoppers, me thinks.
Just my two fens.
Back to Kiwi, where you hang out? |
_________________
Ah, the ubiquitous idiots... |
|
|
|
|
DeeLphiC
Low Seater
Joined: Mar 11, 2005
Posts: 3333
Status: Offline
|
| Posted:
July 15, 2005 - 06:34 PM |
|
|
|
|
|
|
Kiwi
Post Boaster
Joined: May 07, 2003
Posts: 4972
Status: Offline
|
| Posted:
July 15, 2005 - 06:42 PM |
|
|
| littlefox wrote: |
| Back to Kiwi, where you hang out? |
Why? You want to get a lynch mob together? 
I don't go out drinking that much these days. But. . .
Senses is good for decor, excellent garden, really good approach to service, decent beer list, excellent wine list, OK cocktails, and reasonable prices for what you get (being able to get a 25RMB drink in a place of this class is GOOD value in Shanghai terms). My only criticisms so far would be on the cocktails front: their ice isn't cold enough for mixing really exceptional cocktails (the drinks come out slightly watery), and they use lime concentrate for their Daiquiri instead of fresh limes (that just doesn't work). But they are really accomodating, they can make drinks not on the cocktail list without cocking up, and they get bottles they don't have in if you ask, so you really can't complain. Anyway, the ice problem applies to 99% of bars, and the same for the lime concentrate (been served that stuff in 5 star hotels here).
Used to go to Beaver and Kangaroo a bit for cheap beer and a fun atmosphere, but it somehow isn't the same without Pete. Last time I was in Kangaroo I got to thow dice around and scream numbers at a young girl dressed in a skimpy outfit. This could grow on me.
To totally lose the crowds and have a decent drink with friends I like to go to some of the little Japanese hole-in-the-wall bars. No I don't go to the ones with hostesses. I go to the ones that mix good drinks. Some have minus 18 celcius ice in big blocks, nice decor, and very professional bartenders. You can sit in peace and relax with a really good drink. The barstaff also treat you like an adult - none of the "Kiwi! Finish your drink NOW!" bullfeces that passes for "fun" in some more Chinese bars. But I can't give you exact locations. . . it's a secret you see.
There is also a little German place on Xinle Rd. that is good for a quiet beer. They have Erdinger and a couple of other German beers at good prices. Got wireless Internet too.
Arch is another good spot. I like the decor, they have a couple of good beers, and their cocktail list is interesting and reasonably well mixed (but again the ice doesn't seem cold enough). The staff are friendly too. |
_________________
Always blow on the pie |
|
|
|
|
FreeSoul
Seeker
Joined: June 20, 2005
Posts: 71
Status: Offline
|
| Posted:
July 16, 2005 - 02:12 AM |
|
|
Hi Kiwi, littlefox,
All the lessons you gave me we'll keep in mind.We are just opend small bar and trying to be a comfortable hangout for Shanghaiexpats.Altough our ice may not be cold enough but we believe our drinks are decent and
reasonable price.We don't have so many people working in the bar so far but we choose people carefully to keep the nice atmosphere. Music, we change the music according to the situation.Sometimes Loud,sometimes quiet, depending on the customer's requests in the bar.We are not big bar nor classy one but can be flexible instead.We wanna be a bar where customers away from their own countries can feel free, at home. we hope someday you'll come to our bar and enjoy conversation with our friendly bartenders and our regular customers.
Thanks a lot!!
By the way, I found out that the temperature in our freezer can't be minus 15c. We need to think about it.. |
|
|
|
|
|
rutuman
Low Seater
Joined: June 21, 2005
Posts: 3231
Status: Offline
|
| Posted:
July 16, 2005 - 05:52 AM |
|
|
"We started to grow spearmint in the bar from today and added mojito on our cocktail menu.
You can enjoy very fresh mojito everyday at FreeSoul "
now mint grows fast, i know.
but maybe ur trying to grow the other type faster.............
--------------------
#
kiwi- can ice actually be at a temperatuyre below 0 degrees C?
anyhow, i'll maybe leave the dvd u wanted and a few others u might be interested in at senses and u can pick em up , ok?
top marks to that place basically, because if i leave anything in another bar, nobody knows what happened to it the next day. i live my passport, degree and certificates at senses for a month and its in the safe waiting 4 me. |
|
|
|
|
|
FreeSoul
Seeker
Joined: June 20, 2005
Posts: 71
Status: Offline
|
| Posted:
July 16, 2005 - 07:55 AM |
|
|
rutuman,
Yes,our mint is growing fast. I could find only 1 small shop sells live mint plant in the biggest flower market in Shanghai. Also i could find mint leaves at Carrefour but were almost wilting...
Other type?sorry I can't get the meaning... |
|
|
|
|
|
DeeLphiC
Low Seater
Joined: Mar 11, 2005
Posts: 3333
Status: Offline
|
| Posted:
July 16, 2005 - 11:48 AM |
|
|
SweetSoul - go to open chat and check out the "elevator" thread. You will see two pictures that shows the full grown Mint.
FYI. rutuman is a very famous peasant of top marks here. Expvt on how to grow Senses of Mintness. Now he seems to be interested in growing a couple of Free Souls ... !!!
D |
|
|
|
|
|
FreeSoul
Seeker
Joined: June 20, 2005
Posts: 71
Status: Offline
|
| Posted:
July 16, 2005 - 04:39 PM |
|
|
DeeLphiC,
I saw the "elevator" thread and funny mint pictures.
happy if rutuman are growing FreeSouls!!!! |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Forum FAQ
Search
Preferences
Watched Topics
Log in to check your private messages
Log in
