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Taken from the History Channel Online
U.S. DECLARES INDEPENDENCE:
July 4, 1776
In Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, the Continental Congress adopts the Declaration of Independence, which proclaims the independence of the United States of America from Great Britain and its king. The declaration came 442 days after the first volleys of the American Revolution were fired at Lexington and Concord in Massachusetts and marked an ideological expansion of the conflict that would eventually encourage France's intervention on behalf of the Patriots.
The first major American opposition to British policy came in 1765 after Parliament passed the Stamp Act, a taxation measure to raise revenues for a standing British army in America. Under the banner of "no taxation without representation," colonists convened the Stamp Act Congress in October 1765 to vocalize their opposition to the tax. With its enactment in November, most colonists called for a boycott of British goods, and some organized attacks on the customhouses and homes of tax collectors. After months of prοtest in the colonies, Parliament voted to repeal the Stamp Act in March 1766.
Most colonists continued to quietly accept British rule until Parliament's enactment of the Tea Act in 1773, a bill designed to save the faltering East India Company by greatly lowering its tea tax and granting it a monopoly on the American tea trade. The low tax allowed the East India Company to undercut even tea smuggled into America by Dutch traders, and many colonists viewed the act as another example of taxation tyranny. In response, militant Patriots in Massachusetts organized the "Boston Tea Party," which saw British tea valued at some ý18,000 dumped into Boston harbor.
Parliament, outraged by the Boston Tea Party and other blatant acts of destruction of British property, enacted the Coercive Acts, also known as the Intolerable Acts, in 1774. The Coercive Acts closed Boston to merchant shipping, established formal British military rule in Massachusetts, made British officials immune to criminal prosecution in America, and required colonists to quarter British troops. The colonists subsequently called the first Continental Congress to consider a united American resistance to the British.
With the other colonies watching intently, Massachusetts led the resistance to the British, forming a shadow revolutionary government and establishing militias to resist the increasing British military presence across the colony. In April 1775, Thomas Gage, the British governor of Massachusetts, ordered British troops to march to Concord, Massachusetts, where a Patriot arsenal was known to be located. On April 19, 1775, the British regulars encountered a group of American militiamen at Lexington, and the first shots of the American Revolution were fired.
Initially, both the Americans and the British saw the conflict as a kind of civil war within the British Empire: To King George III it was a colonial rebellion, and to the Americans it was a struggle for their rights as British citizens. However, Parliament remained unwilling to negotiate with the American rebels and instead purchased German mercenaries to help the British army crush the rebellion. In response to Britain's continued opposition to reform, the Continental Congress began to pass measures abolishing British authority in the colonies.
In January 1776, Thomas Paine published Common Sense, an influential political pamphlet that convincingly argued for American independence and sold more than 500,000 copies in a few months. In the spring of 1776, support for independence swept the colonies, the Continental Congress called for states to form their own governments, and a five-man committee was assigned to draft a declaration.
The Declaration of Independence was largely the work of Virginian Thomas Jefferson. In justifying American independence, Jefferson drew generously from the political philosophy of John Locke, an advocate of natural rights, and from the work of other English theorists. The first section features the famous lines, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." The second part presents a long list of grievances that provided the rationale for rebellion.
On July 2, 1776, the Continental Congress voted to approve a Virginia motion calling for separation from Britain. The dramatic words of this resolution were added to the closing of the Declaration of Independence. Two days later, on July 4, the declaration was formally adopted by 12 colonies after minor revision. New York approved it on July 19. On August 2, the declaration was signed.
The American War for Independence would last for five more years. Yet to come were the Patriot triumphs at Saratoga, the bitter winter at Valley Forge, the intervention of the French, and the final victory at Yorktown in 1781. In 1783, with the signing of the Treaty of Paris with Britain, the United States formally became a free and independent nation. |
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skyline5k
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Events
July 4
1832 - It was on this day that America was sung in public for the first time -- at the Park Street Church in Boston, MA. Dr. Samuel Francis Smith wrote the words, borrowing the tune from a German songbook. Ironically, and unknown to Dr. Smith at the time, the melody is the same as the British national anthem.
1855 - The first edition of Leaves of Grass, by Walt Whitman, was published in Brooklyn, NY.
1881 - Tuskegee Institute opened its doors to the students who built it with bricks made in their own kiln. An abandoned plantation in Tuskegee, Alabama was the site chosen for Booker T. Washington’s institution for academic and vocational training.
1884 - Bullfighting was introduced in America. No, not in Texas or Arizona, but in Dodge City, Kansas.
1886 - The first rodeo in America was held at Prescott, Arizona.
1895 - America the Beautiful, the famous song often touted as the true U.S. national anthem, was originally a poem written by Katherine Lee Bates. The Wellesley College professor’s poem was first published this day in the Congregationalist, a church newspaper.
1923 - Jack Dempsey defeated Tommy Gibbons in a fight held in that boxing mecca of Shelby, Montana. The fight had been called the strangest fight in boxing history (until the 1997 match between Evander Holyfield and the ‘ear-biting’ Mike Tyson).
1939 - Lou Gehrig retired from baseball in a touching ceremony at Yankee Stadium in New York City. Some 60,000 fans of the ‘Iron Horse’ came out to bid him goodbye. To feel the emotion of the moment, see the movie Pride of the Yankees.
1942 - The Irving Berlin musical, This is the Army, opened at New York’s Broadway Theatre. Net profits of the show were $780,000.
1943 - The Rhythm Boys, Bing Crosby, Al Rinker and Harry Barris, were reunited for the first time since the 1930s on Paul Whiteman Presents on NBC radio.
1951 - Jack Webb did a summer switch -- from his Dragnet role of Sgt. Joe Friday to that of Pete Kelly. Pete Kelly’s Blues, a crime drama, was the summer replacement on NBC radio for Halls of Ivy (with Ronald Colman and Benita Hume). Webb also played Pete Kelly in the 1955 movie of the same name; then produced and directed a 1959 TV series, also titled Pete Kelly’s Blues, starring William Reynolds as Pete.
1955 - The first king cobra snakes born in captivity in the United States were hatched at the Bronx Zoo in New York City. A total of nine eggs hatched between July 4th and 12th of 1955.
1962 - Gene Autry’s baseball team, the California Angels, surprised fans everywhere by stunning the Washington Senators in a doubleheader sweep that propelled them into first place at the season’s midway point. The first place stay didn’t last. The Angels finished out of the running (by 10-1/2 games) at the end of the season.
1970 - Casey Kasem hosted radio’s American Top 40 for the first time this day.
1973 - Riva Ridge won the Brooklyn Handicap in a world-record time of 1:52.3/5 in the 1-3/16-mile event. Riva Ridge became thoroughbred racing’s 12th, million-dollar race horse.
1985 - A crowd, estimated at one million, gathered in Philadelphia to celebrate the 209th anniversary of America’s independence. The Beach Boys were joined by Mr. T. on drums to really add some fireworks to the festivities. The Oak Ridge Boys, Joan Jett and Jimmy Page joined in the celebration (but wouldn’t let Mr. T. play ...)
1987 - Martina Navratilova captured her sixth consecutive Wimbledon singles title.
1997 - The Mars Pathfinder spacecraft, launched by NASA from the Earth in December 1996, entered the atmosphere of Mars. A heat shield, parachutes, and airbags helped it land safely. The Sojourner rover searched the surface of Mars for rocks while millions of earthlings watch it on TV and the Internet.
1999 - Jose Canseco of the Tampa Bay Devil Rays smacked his 30th home run of the season, although Tampa Bay lost to the Toronto Blue Jays 6-3. Canseco became the first player in major-league history to hit 30 home runs with four different teams. He had previously reached that mark with the Texas Rangers, Toronto Blue Jays and the Oakland Athletics. Note: Canseco hit 30 or more homers with Oakland five times.
Birthdays
July 4
1826 - Stephen Foster
song writer of about 200 songs including: Oh! Susannah, Camptown Races, Old Folks at Home [Swanee River], Jeannie with the Light Brown Hair, Beautiful Dreamer; died Jan 13, 1864
1872 - Calvin Coolidge
30th U.S. President [1923-1929]; married to Grace Goodhue [two sons]; nickname: Silent Cal; died Jan 5, 1933
1883 - Rube (Reuben Lucius) Goldberg
inventor of elaborate, involved contraptions that accomplish simple tasks; cartoonist; died Dec 7, 1970
1902 - George (Lloyd) Murphy
actor: This is the Army, Little Miss Broadway, For Me and My Gal; politician: U.S. Senator; died May 3, 1992
1911 - Mitch Miller
record company executive, producer, arranger: Columbia, Mercury; musician & instrumentalist: Tzena, Tzena, Tzena, The Yellow Rose of Texas, March from The River Kwai; Sing Along with Mitch LPs and TV show
1913 - Virginia Graham (Komiss)
TV hostess: The Strawhatters; panelist: Where Was I?; died Dec 22, 1998
1918 - Ann Landers (Esther Pauline Friedman)
advice columnist; twin sister of Abigail Van Buren; died June 22, 2002
1918 - Abigail Van Buren (Pauline Esther Friedman)
advice columnist: Dear Abby; twin sister of Ann Landers
1920 - Leona Helmsley
hotel mogul: Helmsley Hotels
1924 - Eva Marie Saint
Academy Award-winning actress: On the Waterfront [1954]; North by Northwest, Exodus, Raintree County
1927 - Gina Lollobrigida
actress: Trapeze, Belles de Nuit, Solomon and Sheba, Strange Bedfellows, Come September
1927 - Neil (Marvin) Simon
Tony Award-winning playwright: The Odd Couple [1965], Lost in Yonkers [and Pulitzer Prize: 1991]; The Sunshine Boys, Barefoot in the Park, The Goodbye Girl, California Suite, Plaza Suite, Seems like Old Times, Prisoner of Second Avenue
1929 - Chuck (Charles William) Tanner
baseball: Milwaukee Braves, Chicago Cubs, Cleveland Indians, LA Angels; manager: Pittsburgh Pirates, Atlanta Braves
1929 - Al Davis
football general manager: Oakland Raiders; only one in pro football to be scout, asst. coach, head coach, general manager, league commissioner and owner
1930 - George Steinbrenner
shipping magnate, baseball team owner: New York Yankees
1937 - Rosey (Roosevelt) Taylor
football: Grambling College, Chicago Bears, San Diego Chargers, San Francisco 49ers, Washington Redskins: Super Bowl VII
1937 - Ray Pillow
singer: Take Your Hands Off My Heart, Thank You Ma’am, I’ll Take the Dog, Volkswagon, Gone with the Wine
1938 - Bill Withers
Grammy Award-winning songwriter, singer: Ain’t No Sunshine [1971], Lean on Me, Use Me
1940 - Pat Stapleton
hockey: NHL: Boston Bruins, Chicago Blackhawks
1942 - Floyd Little
College Football Hall of Famer: Syracuse: 3-time All-American running back; Denver Broncos: rushed for 6,323 yards on 1,641 carries & 43 touchdowns
1943 - Emerson Boozer
football: NY Jets running back: Super Bowl III
1943 - Geraldo Rivera
investigative reporter, talk show host: Geraldo
1943 - Al ‘Blind Owl’ Wilson
musician: guitar, harmonica, singer: group: Canned Heat: On the Road Again, Going Up the Country, Let’s Work Together; died Sep 3, 1970
1948 - Jeremy Spencer
musician: guitar: group: Fleetwood Mac: Black Magic Woman, Need Your Love So Bad, Albatross, Man of the World, The Green Manalishi [With the Two-Pronged Crown]
1955 - John Waite
singer: Missing You, Tears; group: The Babys: Isn’t It Time, Everytime I Think of You, Back on My Feet Again
1958 - Kirk Pengilly
musician: guitar, saxophone: group: INXS: Just Keep Walking, The One Thing, Original Sin, Melting in the Sun, This Time
1960 - Signy Coleman
actress: The Young and the Restless
1962 - Pam Shriver
tennis: grand slam doubles winner [1984]; w/ Martina Navratilova won 7 Australian, 4 French, 5 Wimbledon, 4 U.S. Opens [1981-1989]
1965 -Harvey Grant
basketball: Washington Bullets, Portland Trailblazers, Philadelphia 76ers, Washington Wizards; twin brother of Horace
1965 - Horace Grant
basketball: Chicago Bulls, Orlando Magic, Seattle Supersonics, LA Lakers; twin brother of Harvey
Chart Toppers
July 4
1945Laura - The Woody Herman Orchestra
Dream - The Pied Pipers
Sentimental Journey - The Les Brown Orchestra (vocal: Doris Day)
Stars and Stripes on Iwo Jima - Bob Wills
1953Song from Moulin Rouge - The Percy Faith Orchestra
April in Portugal - The Les Baxter Orchestra
Ruby - Richard Hayman
Take These Chains from My Heart - Hank Williams
1961Quarter to Three - U.S. Bonds
Raindrops - Dee Clark
Tossin’ and Turnin’ - Bobby Lewis
Hello Walls - Faron Young
1969Get Back - The Beatles
Love Theme from Romeo & Juliet - Henry Mancini
Bad Moon Rising - Creedence Clearwater Revival
Statue of a Fool - Jack Greene
1977Got to Give It Up (Pt. I) - Marvin Gaye
Gonna Fly Now (Theme from "Rocky") - Bill Conti
Undercover Angel - Alan O’Day
That was Yesterday - Donna Fargo
1985Heaven - Bryan Adams
Sussudio - Phil Collins
Raspberry Beret - Prince & The Revolution
She Keeps the Home Fires Burning - Ronnie Milsap |
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Magnolia
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Happy 4th! |
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Same to you! It's kind of fun being in the UK on Independence Day. The Pict and I have a little chat about this every year. He keeps referring to it as " that little scuffle" that took place a couple of hundred years ago.  |
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(similar to how southerners call the civil war "the recent unplesantness") ... |
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Goosie
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Never heard that one before, Mags! I'll file that away for future reference! |
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MaomingMaster
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Don't you mean 'theeeeeeeee reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeceeeeeeeeeeeeent uuuuuuuuunpleeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaasaaaaaaaaaaaaaaantneeeeeeeeees'? |
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Goosie
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So, THAT'S how you write Southern! |
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I'm sure the southerners will be barbequeing away just like the northerners today. |
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MaomingMaster
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I always make fun of Mags accent. She likes it. AND she's got a new boyfriend, but it's a secret. |
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Magnolia
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I do not!
Just spoke to my mother and she is going to be in Boston for the 4th... to see the Boston Pops... I have always, always, always wanted to see the 1812 Overture performed there... cannons!!!! |
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I thought it was Will Smith who declared independance!!! |
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skyline5k
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Nah, he just sucker punched some squid looking thing. |
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^~~~~~~~~
Three cheers from a chinese --
"Let freedom ring, let the white dove sing, Let the weak be strong, let the right be wrong ... it's Independence Day"!!!
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alex-hk
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Yeah. Let's remember the brave men and wimmin who gave their lives for Halliburton and the war industry interests of the Bush clan.
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This Fourth of July, while Americans are marching in parades and oohing and aahing at the fireworks, it would be a patriotic gesture to also spend some time thinking about what independence means today.
Our nation was founded on a determination to be free of domination by the British empire. The US Declaration of Independence proclaimed the need to fight the War of Independence against Britain because King George III had 'kept among us standing armies' that committed intolerable 'abuses and usurpations.' Today it is our government whose standing army is committing abuses and usurpations in foreign lands. Today it is our government that is in the business of empire-building. Even before 9/11, the US military maintained over 700 foreign military bases and installations and almost 250,000 troops in 130 countries.
George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and James Madison all warned that the invasion and occupation of other lands would turn America into precisely the sort of empire against which they had so recently rebelled. "We should have nothing to do with conquest," asserted Jefferson in 1791.
Unfortunately, subsequent leaders of this nation have refused to heed this advice - invading other countries to control their land, their oil, their people. From the 1890s to the 1930s alone, the US intervened 23 times in the Western hemisphere.
Building and maintaining a vast empire is expensive in both lives and money. The human cost in Iraq alone tops 1,700 US soldiers dead, tens of thousands severely injured both physically and psychologically, with much greater death and suffering endured by the Iraqi people.
Our out-of-control military budget will, by 2006, equal that of the rest of the world combined. This enormous cost is draining money from our schools, our hospitals, our public transportation. Martin Luther King's words that 'a nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense then on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual death' resonate today. According to the organization National Priorities, the $200-plus billion we're spending on the war in Iraq could have provided health care to over 46 million Americans, affordable housing to almost 2 million families, or renewable energy for some 360 million homes.
The imperial ambitions of this administration have also cost us dearly in terms of international prestige. A survey of public opinion in 16 countries released by the Pew Global Attitudes Project on June 23 found a dismal opinion of the U.S. Most said the world was more dangerous after the downfall of Saddam Hussein, rated China more favorably than the U.S., and said the world would be better off if a group of countries emerged as a rival to U.S. military power. And while 94 percent of Canadians and 83 percent of Indians said their countrymen were well-liked by the global community, seven in 10 Americans said Americans were ''generally disliked'' abroad -- the most downbeat assessment of global popularity given by any country in the survey.
Most Americans have come to understand that the cost of empire in lives, money and prestige is unacceptable. Recent polls show that the majority believes we should never have attacked Iraq, we should begin to withdraw our troops, and that the war in Iraq has not made us safer at home. Six out of ten Americans say that our nation is headed down the wrong path.
In 1821, then Secretary of State John Quincy Adams warned that if America went abroad in search of 'monsters to destroy - the fundamental maxims of her policy would insensibly change from liberty to force.' While she might become the dictatress of the world, he predicted, 'she would be no longer the ruler of her own spirit.'
This July 4, let us reflect on how empire-building is destroying the soul of our nation. Let us recommit to getting our soldiers out of Iraq, dismantling our foreign bases, preventing new conquests, rejoining the international community and, in the process, becoming the rulers of our own spirit. |
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well, those observations certainly were true around the turn of the 19th century. |
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skyline5k
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Everyone has their own interpretation of history to suit their own views of the world. Including you & I, Bullitt. It's a fact of life. We can twist it one way to make us look like the Evil Empire, or twist it another way to make us look like the benevolent benefactors of many 3rd world countries.
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What idiot wrote that? You think Bush or Blair or anyone else for that matter is dumb enough to think that they can control Arab land, control Arab oil, and control Arab people? |
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alex-hk
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Are you trying to say that Bush is clever? |
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Clever enough to know that your purported purpose for this war is ridiculous.
Theres another perspective on this whole matter in Recycled News & Opinion (July 4...Food for thought) that you might find interesting as your source has seen fit to evoke the wise words of Jefferson. |
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*CheerLeader*Mao
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youR blinD faiTh in youR corrupt leadERs is admireable bleucheese. you would makE a great chinESE.
at one time Canadians used to fight to support US rigths and freedoms. the belief in abolishing slavery and freeing jews from the germans and defeating communism, meant no less than 61 canadians have won the congression medal of honour, the USA's highest military award.
interesting now that canada would not support bush and his gov't in their occupation of iraq to secure their oil supplies.
Happy Independence Day none the less.
http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/07/01/canadians-usmedal05 0701.html
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Canada honours winners of top U.S. medal
Last Updated Fri, 01 Jul 2005 17:11:41 EDT
CBC News
Canadian officials in Washington marked Canada Day by laying wreaths on the graves of home-grown heroes who won the top U.S. medal for bravery.
Ambassador Frank McKenna and military attaché Rear Admiral Ian Mack honoured nine Canadians buried in Arlington National Cemetery, the main U.S. military cemetery.
Ambassador Frank McKenna, left, and military attaché Rear Admiral Ian Mack honoured nine Canadians buried in Arlington National Cemetery. (AP photo)
The nine were among the 61 Canadians who have won the Congressional Medal of Honor, more than half of them during the U.S. Civil War (1861-65) and only four since 1900.
"It's our national day. It's a day Canadians celebrate, but it's a day as well where we should honour our warriors who have been recognized by other countries by being awarded their highest medal for bravery," McKenna said.
The nine include Martin Thomas McMahon of La Prairie, Que., the first Canadian to win the Medal of Honor. He was serving with the U.S. Volunteers at White Oak Swamp, Va., in 1862. He died in 1906.
The most recent award among the nine was given to Charles MacGillivary from Charlottetown, who was cited for fighting Germans in France in 1945. He died in 2000.
"Bravery knows no nationalities and in this case, these were Canadians who chose to fight in an adopted country and who fought with great distinction," McKenna said.
Among other Canadian winners, Robert Sweeney, a sailor from Montreal, won it twice (1881 and 1883) and two brothers from Noel Shore, N.S., Harry and Willard Miller, won it serving on a U.S. ship in Cuba on May 11, 1898.
The most recent award to a Canadian went to Peter Lemon of Toronto for action in Vietnam in 1970.
Five Americans have won the Commonwealth's highest medal for bravery, the Victoria Cross. Four of them were serving with Canadian units, all during the First World War, the Department of National Defence said.
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skyline5k
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| youR blinD faiTh in youR corrupt leadERs is admireable bleucheese. you would makE a great chinESE. |
But Chinese don't like cheese. Are you sure, CheERleAdEr MAo? |
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yeS the advAncement of Chinese into the CheeSe eaters of the planet would be a great step in revolution.
....or waiT, would that be evolution, i always get the two confused i say them so many times in speeches. |
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| youR blinD faiTh in youR corrupt leadERs is admireable bleucheese. you would makE a great chinESE. |
Actually, I dont have blind faith in anything and they are not my leaders. I didnt vote for him (nor the other pompous idiot...Ive been voting 3rd party ("GO NADER!") ever since I got the right in 1990), I dont support most aspects of the current foreign policy, I dont support their fiscal policy, and I dont agree with just about every stance they take on social issues. I did not support the attack the unilateral attack on Iraq nor the subsequent lies and half-truths that ensued. BUT....I do think there is more to the current situation than
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