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wolfy
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Oct 13, 2005 - 09:49 AM |
 
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From Jane's Defence Weekly:
http://www.janes.com/security/international_security/news/jir/jir05101 1_1_n.shtml
Defections reveal extent of China's espionage operations
By John Hill
"China is the biggest [espionage] threat to the US today," David Szady, the US Federal Bureau of Investigation's (FBI) head of counterintelligence, told The Wall Street Journal on 10 August. It is a concern fuelled by a number of Chinese defectors in recent months who claim Beijing is engaged in large-scale intelligence-gathering operations overseas.
Chen Yonglin, the first secretary of the Chinese Consulate General in Sydney, Australia, defected on 4 June. Chen told Australian authorities that Beijing had been overseeing a network of more than 1,000 spies and informers in Australia. These claims were mirrored in Canada in July when Han Guansheng, a former Public Security Bureau official in Shenyang who defected to Canada in 2001, stated publicly that Beijing manages informants in Canada's Chinese community and gathers intelligence on key economic areas.
A second defector in Australia, believed to be a low-level intelligence official named Hao Fengjing, who came over to the Australians shortly after Chen, confirmed that China has more spies in Canada than in any other country. The Canadian Security and Intelligence Service (CSIS) will not comment on individual nations' intelligence activities, but CSIS officials told JIR: "Foreign countries who send students and visiting scientists often use them to obtain proprietary or classified information in Canada."
Europe is also said to be subject to China's scrutiny. The UK's Daily Telegraph reported in July that a Chinese intelligence defector in Belgium who had worked in European universities and companies for more than a decade, has given the Belgian security service (Sūreté de l'Etat) detailed information on hundreds of Chinese spies working at various levels of European industry. A British intelligence source told JIR that the two countries with the biggest intelligence operations in the UK were Russia and China. Whether this anecdotal evidence represents an increase in Chinese intelligence activity or just business as usual is a moot point. June Teufel Dreyer, a member of the US Congress's US-China Economic and Security Review Commission, told JIR: "My guess is that the Chinese do not spy any more now than they did, say, 20 years ago. But they are getting better at it. Unfortunately, we are not getting better at counterspy activities." |
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MaomingMaster
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Oct 13, 2005 - 12:09 PM |
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In the red corner - Edgewood.
In the blue corner - Henry Chinaski.
Seconds away, round one.... |
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shanghaiceltic
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Joined: Sep 20, 2005
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Location: Perth WA
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Oct 27, 2005 - 12:39 PM |
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Having dealt with instrumentation in both the industrial and research sectors in China for over 12 years I can say with a good amount of accuracy that much of the spying is of a industrial nature. Why bother with R&D when you can get the info and results for free.
I have seen many examples or reverse engineering too. Buy one item of the product then take it apart and copy it as best and cheaply as possible. The Chinese automotive industry is rife with it. But what better than use people to get source material at source.
With regards military spying that might be more difficult but not impossible. Chinese nationals working in sensative industries overseas would be put under enormous pressure to come up with the goods, even if those industries were not directly linked to defense.
It has beeen going on for years, the Russians were very good at coopting people to work for them at all levels, so why not China? When I was in submarines in the navy my fear was not of my shipmates offering info but of some civil/govt servant of some ilk selling it.
On a commercial side what is the difference for a Chinese national to get info in a company or for some employee who is leaving to go to a competing company to take info with them? Happens all the time.
Both Sun Tzu (Art of War) and Musahsi Miyamoto (Go Rin No Sho-Book of Five Rings) both stated that to win you need to know your enemy. |
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Henry_Chinaski
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Joined: Aug 16, 2003
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Oct 29, 2005 - 12:10 PM |
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Not only that. Espionage happens via the International Energy Agency too.
US and French's centrifugues cost 2 billion to manufacture. Centrifugues in one developing country, by using magnetism, costs 100 million. Surprise surprise the IEA wants to visit the facilities every week,even if the country has signed the non-proliferation treaty ages ago.
The article is another one in the category of "Only Whitey is allowed to behave badly, everybody else must shut the fk up while we steal from them".
f*** that hypocrisy. |
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ShanghaiUnderground
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Joined: July 15, 2004
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Location: Shanghai
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Oct 29, 2005 - 02:56 PM |
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Yea, many of the techniques would appear hypocritical.
But in lieu of being the dictator of my own country, I'd prefer being ruled by (or via) a democracy as opposed to some other perceived megalomaniacs and revolutionary extremists.
Bring the hypocrisy on. |
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