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benkloepfer
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Nov 02, 2005 - 03:10 PM |
 
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LifeMage, thanks for the medical dictionary on pot but regardless poolhopper is still right in this case. I say this because although marijuana can do some wonderful things it is bad medical advice for this one specific girl who (supposedly) has a medical condition called IBS.
By the way, what is a "menice"?
dfoo, you should realize that poolhopper was exaggerating and I agree with his basic theme but there no reason to get bent out of shape over his statements.
Hi Jenming,
Glad to answer, I'm from the USA and am a big fan of marijuana but personally no longer can smoke it due to the nature of my work ( and the fact that I'm living in Asia). When in high school my brother and I did alot of experimenting and found out some of the better ways to grow, use and enjoy this "weed". Never the less, there are many people out there in this world who (for often very different reasons) should not smoke pot. So therefore I urge LifeMage and Rio to be a little cautious with their advice.
How about you? Ever tried the stuff? |
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Rio
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Nov 02, 2005 - 07:03 PM |
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In Holland, doctors can presrcibe marijuana for the following 'diseases':
multiple sclerose;
cure sypmtoms of chemotherapy, radiotherapy en HIV-combinationtherapy;
chronical nervpain;
lowering eyepressure of glaucome;
syndrom of Gilles de la Tourette;
with some treatments of cancer and aids, as painkiller.
Please don't say that its because its Holland and the Dutch government is crazy or whatever argument you would like to use against the Dutch rules on softdrugs. I am saying this because its about what can be helpful for people who really feel better by using it and itsnt that what its all about? The people? Some people use a vaporizer, a very good way to reduce CO and tar.
I know its not 'good' to advice people to smoke it, but some consideration and discussion on it could open some of the more less open minded people? |
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dfoo
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Nov 02, 2005 - 09:38 PM |
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| benkloepfer wrote: |
dfoo, you should realize that poolhopper was exaggerating and I agree with his basic theme but there no reason to get bent out of shape over his statements.
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I'm not bent out of shape, I just don't agree with the general statement. In this case I'm not really sure because I don't know the person in question. |
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jenming
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Nov 03, 2005 - 10:28 AM |
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Hi Jenming,
Glad to answer, I'm from the USA and am a big fan of marijuana but personally no longer can smoke it due to the nature of my work ( and the fact that I'm living in Asia). When in high school my brother and I did alot of experimenting and found out some of the better ways to grow, use and enjoy this "weed". Never the less, there are many people out there in this world who (for often very different reasons) should not smoke pot. So therefore I urge LifeMage and Rio to be a little cautious with their advice.
How about you? Ever tried the stuff? |
people always talk about "brownies". Most brownies don't have butter in the recipe. Cookies do, though. |
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benkloepfer
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Nov 03, 2005 - 11:47 AM |
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True, the some brownies call for oil, which can be used the same way as butter. Just avoid the no-bake brownie receipes. |
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Zrilobyte
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Nov 03, 2005 - 02:37 PM |
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Was strolling up from Remnin Sq yesterday, complete with little Erin on my back, was in tow as usual, and a rather nicely dressed middle eastern man approached me. As usual I was nice and polite, until I made out from the usual babble- "hasssssisssshhh??". Blimey, right back to student days! Result!....Hang on. I'm in a country with strict drug laws (arn't I?), and in the middle of a public place. Man, Paranoia struck. I was toying with the idea of bartering for old times sakes and then the price dropped from Y1000 for the best part of a blim to Y100. Hummm... hang on.I'm now a dad and a responsible one (for the most part). My second thought was to pop to the cop shop and let them know. Ok so at the end of the day I did nothing and just went to the Model shop and bought some paint instead. Ok not much of a story, but I'm bored. |
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benkloepfer
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Nov 03, 2005 - 09:36 PM |
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Zrilobyte,
I completely sympathize with you and have the same thoughts run through my head before.
-B |
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janlynn
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Nov 04, 2005 - 08:28 AM |
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| By the way, it sounds like your friend just has a bad case of the sh*ts and needs to quit eating where she works. |
IBS doesnt only have the hershey squirts. it was also called spastic colon. Sometimes the colon muscles move out of rythmn and everything is trapped.
Belladona was an effective drug for ibs, but with IBS there is a lifestyle that has to be changed for anything to work. A lot of people want doctors to cure the symptoms without interferring in the lifestyle. I know people who swear by vitamins for their IBS. It is s syndrome not a disease. IBS is a diagnosis when you have symptoms of colitis or chrons disease. It is very painful and one way to lessen the symptoms is a diet of bland food. Alcohol, cigarette smoking, and stress trigger the symptoms. It also take a lot of time to allow your body to accept the changes and slowly return to a "normal" diet.
One thing a lot of people who have it dont realize is it is dehydrating but the thought of water makes one spaaz. I didnt find out til i was way old that my heartburn from water was caused by dehydration and the way to end a lot of the nasty stomach associated with IBS was to drink a whole lot of water, preferably with additives.
I am not a doctor nor did I sleep at a holiday inn express(JOKE) but I had my first GI series at 15 years old and went through the cycle til i was 50 or so |
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DrMike
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Nov 04, 2005 - 08:47 AM |
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I am amazed that this thread has for the most part concentrated on the question asked. Usually when you try to have any discussion on the medical use of MJ it drifts off into the sffects of recreational use of the 'medication'
Most patients who use MJ medically, and I have had eperience with patients undergoing chemotherapy. need very small doses quite frequently. For many it makes the horrible nausea and vomiting much better and increases their appetite so that the weight loss is less profound. Many patients have never used it before and in fact many have problems as they have never smoked a cigarette and having smoke in their mouths is very difficult at first. These patients are NOT getting high, they are not removing themselves from the reality of the disease, they are looking to ake the treatment more bearable. I think that to approve its use in these situations is a 'no-brainer' |
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frenchlover1999
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Nov 04, 2005 - 11:00 AM |
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"I am talking about the States. She's living there and I know its not prescribed by doctors there. The thing about this girl is she's got no luck in life. Works at a fast food restaurant, has IBS, not lucky in her love life. I just want to help a little bit by giving her the right advice. I'm afraid she might get in trouble if she wants a better job than her current one. Oh I so not like conservative people."
I just read this. Let's make her a drug addict on top of this! Then we can blame it all on Society! My analysis of it is you are not just pushing drugs, you are also promoting a revolutionary agenda. |
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LifeMage
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DrMike
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Nov 04, 2005 - 11:19 AM |
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DRUG ADDICT???? The evidence isagainst you Frenchlover, of the patients that used it during chemotherapy, the majority ONLY used it during thetreatment periods and not in te wk off and only a tiny proportion continued its use after thetreatment.
You also have to be careful in your definition of habituated and addicted. I like two cups of coffee to start me day, on days off and on vacation rarely drink it, certainly habituated not addicted. |
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frenchlover1999
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Nov 04, 2005 - 11:40 AM |
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Obviously Rio is talking about someone who is socially at risk, and suggests she takes illegal drugs, not about a high-educated Medical Doctor expat drinking coffee. |
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karnex420
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Nov 04, 2005 - 01:17 PM |
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The t¡betans considered Cannabis sacred. A Mahayana Buddhist tradition maintains that during the six steps of asceticism leading to his enlightenment, Buddha lived on one Hemp seed a day. He is often depicted with Soma leaves in his begging bowl and the mysterious god-narcotic Soma has occasionally been identified with Hemp. In Tantric Buddhism of the Himalayas of t¡bet, Cannabis plays a very significant role in the meditative ritual used to facilitate deep meditation and heighten awareness. Both medicinal and recreational secular use of Hemp is likewise so common now in this region that the plant is taken for granted as an everyday necessity.
Bhang is a mild preparation: dried leaves or flowering shoots are pounded with spices into a paste and consumed as candy known as maajun or in tea form.
One preparation, Bhang, was so sacred that it was thought to deter evil, bring luck, and cleanse man of sin. Those treading upon the leaves of this holy plant would suffer harm or disaster, and sacred oaths were sealed over Hemp. The favourite drink of Indra, god of the firmament, was made from Cannabis, and the Hindu god Shiva commanded that the word Bhangi must be chanted repeatedly during sowing, weeding, and harvesting of the holy plant.
The folk-medicinal value of Hemp frequently indistinguishable from its hallucinogenic properties may even be its earliest role as an economic plant. The earliest record of the medicinal use of the plant is that of the Chinese emperor herbalist Shen Nung who, five thousand years ago, recommended Cannabis for malaria, beri-beri, constipation, rheumatic pains, absent-mindedness, and female disorders. Hoa-Glio, another ancient Chinese herbalist, recommended a mixture of Hemp resin and wine as an analgesic during surgery.
Oh yeah. I almost forgot. This has been...
Quoted from: http://www.cannabis.net/thc/ |
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frenchlover1999
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Nov 04, 2005 - 01:54 PM |
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Now that you throw religion and t¡bet into this... I feel conforted in my zero-tolerance views on drugs. Such drugs are above all a means of oppression and control of the populace. Controlled use in a medical environment is something else, but I dont think thats what we are talking about here, right? |
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Rio
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Nov 04, 2005 - 07:22 PM |
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Frenchlover, im not suggesting anything, someone else made the suggestion, she asked me for my opinion. Am I allowed to give my opinion, just like you are? I haven't spoken to her since, but I heard that she's pregnant.........No comment. |
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frenchlover1999
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Nov 04, 2005 - 09:07 PM |
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I did not follow the part about being pregnant and no comments, but I otherwise agree everyone is entitled to his own opinion and agenda. By the way IBS means International Bible Study, right? I think I saw another thread on the subject. |
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Rio
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Nov 04, 2005 - 09:36 PM |
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Lol, no, irritable bowel syndrome. I heard from a friend, who is a mutual friend of us, that she is pregnant, the girl who asked for my opinion. Maybe that was causing her to feel even more worse than her usual pain symptoms. |
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