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psychodrew
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Joined: July 31, 2003
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Nov 12, 2005 - 09:41 AM |
 
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Has Wikipedia gone and ticked off the government? I haven't been able to access it from home or work for the last several days and it is driving me crazy! |
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kika
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Joined: Feb 14, 2005
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Nov 12, 2005 - 10:31 AM |
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you right! just try to access the website and no luck. and not only the english version. non of them works!
anyway, maybe it's a server problem and not the goverment, what can be worng or "dangerous" about Wikipedia? |
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mikegee
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Nov 12, 2005 - 10:45 AM |
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fox007
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Location: Minhang, Shanghai
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Nov 12, 2005 - 12:39 PM |
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you can still access it but need to got thru a proxy
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mikegee
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Joined: Apr 09, 2004
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Nov 12, 2005 - 01:28 PM |
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yes we can access everything by proxies. I recommand "ProxySwitcher", which is great to find new proxies every day and easy to use with any browsers |
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frenchlover1999
Shanghai Royalty
Joined: Sep 18, 2004
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Nov 12, 2005 - 02:45 PM |
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"what can be worng or "dangerous" about Wikipedia?"
Thats the true question. Wikipedia has been known to provide biaised information on some sensitive topics. It is very insidious propaganda or disinformation as more and more people rely on it, through Google. The government ban gives us an opportunity to diversify our sources of information. I think this is the real issue - getting your knowledge from one unique source, privately owned, with unknown agenda and motives is indeed very dangerous. |
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Michael
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Joined: Mar 22, 2002
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Nov 12, 2005 - 04:38 PM |
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While Wikipedia has a lot of great information, the model of having it contributed to and edited by any person that comes along on the web is not especially a good thing. An encyclopedia should contain reasonably factual information, and the present process they have for including content, could make it open to abuse ( which I understand it has been the case ). |
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psychodrew
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Nov 12, 2005 - 05:01 PM |
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I recognize that there have been problems with Wikipedia and I have been careful with the information I've gotten from it. But "dangerous"? Huh? The entire internet is full of biased information. |
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urgentculture
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Nov 12, 2005 - 05:02 PM |
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Right. I'm not so crazy about the growing popularity of Wikipedia. It's convenient, sure. But it's a bit too d3m0kratyk with just about anyone able to contribute, so the info on it is suspect, regardless of your politics. |
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good4kicks
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Joined: Jan 20, 2004
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Nov 12, 2005 - 05:08 PM |
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| frenchlover1999 wrote: |
"what can be worng or "dangerous" about Wikipedia?"
Thats the true question. Wikipedia has been known to provide biaised information on some sensitive topics. It is very insidious propaganda or disinformation as more and more people rely on it, through Google. The government ban gives us an opportunity to diversify our sources of information. I think this is the real issue - getting your knowledge from one unique source, privately owned, with unknown agenda and motives is indeed very dangerous. |
I have detected a strong pro-good4kicks government bias in your postings.
I think the good4kicks government's problem with Wikipedia is that it is available in good4kicks language if I recall correctly. |
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dfoo
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Nov 12, 2005 - 06:37 PM |
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If that's the case why is en.{WeeKeePeeDeeYa DOT org} blocked? |
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xiaolaowai
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Joined: Apr 24, 2005
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Nov 12, 2005 - 08:27 PM |
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| frenchlover1999 wrote: |
"what can be worng or "dangerous" about Wikipedia?"
Thats the true question. Wikipedia has been known to provide biaised information on some sensitive topics. It is very insidious propaganda or disinformation as more and more people rely on it, through Google. The government ban gives us an opportunity to diversify our sources of information. I think this is the real issue - getting your knowledge from one unique source, privately owned, with unknown agenda and motives is indeed very dangerous. |
How can banning something really be a way to diversify the kind of information we get? It is a decision people make everyday whether to rely on one source or check multiple sources. How many people get their news solely from one news network or one daily newspaper? Does that mean we should ban those as well? Being well-informed is something people have to want; it can't, and in my opinion shouldn't be forced on anyone. |
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frenchlover1999
Shanghai Royalty
Joined: Sep 18, 2004
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Nov 12, 2005 - 08:35 PM |
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"Being well-informed is something people have to want; it can't, and in my opinion shouldn't be forced on anyone. "
Hey, we are not in the Land of God, where media are free, the government never tries to control people and only work for the good of mankind. We can't even own weapons here. Hell on Earth, I tell you. |
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yangutasos
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Joined: Nov 07, 2005
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Nov 12, 2005 - 10:55 PM |
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 God!! can't believe that Wikipedia has been bloked!!! I use to find almost all the info i want there, I dont understand why our gov did that to us!!
Hey dutes , is there any way that i can still visit it in PRC? Maybe using some trcking thing??
How to visit it by a proxy btw? |
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frenchlover1999
Shanghai Royalty
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Nov 12, 2005 - 11:08 PM |
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"I use to find almost all the info i want there, I dont understand why our gov did that to us!! "
Read the previous posts.
"God!!"
Be informed that God doesnt and cannot involve in the internal affairs of communist countries. |
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mikegee
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Nov 13, 2005 - 12:04 AM |
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hey yangutasos, try to find a software called "freegate". it seems it's a software to allows users to access blocked websites. Since it's a chinese software, i don't know how does it work |
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yangutasos
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Nov 13, 2005 - 01:13 PM |
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""I use to find almost all the info i want there, I dont understand why our gov did that to us!! "
Read the previous posts.
"God!!"
Be informed that God doesnt and cannot involve in the internal affairs of communist countries."
hey!! frenchlover!! are you always sticking on the words??Cant you see my point?? no wonder you are a fenchlover!!
BTW what does frenchlover mean?? you are a guy or girl who loves french or you are a lover from France.
in either case, what the hell you are doing in Shanghai!!?? |
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yangutasos
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Nov 13, 2005 - 01:18 PM |
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thanks!! mikegee
i will tell you how to use it once i figure it out myself |
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aquagirl
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Joined: May 02, 2005
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Nov 13, 2005 - 02:06 PM |
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 frenchlover, you make me laugh.
i am so glad someone else is pissed off about wikipedia being blocked. and yes, i have read countless articles about how 'evil' it is, and have found some dubious information on the site, but the truth is, wikipedia can be a good starting point for research. no one should ever rely on just one source for information. i don't see what the big deal is.
while we are on the topic of blocking, has anyone else noticed images being blocked? i find that when i do image searches on Google, i usually come up with a page that does not load at all. |
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frenchlover1999
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Nov 13, 2005 - 02:14 PM |
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"no wonder you are a fenchlover!!
BTW what does frenchlover mean??"
Logic is not your forte... |
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mikegee
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Nov 13, 2005 - 06:51 PM |
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| aquagirl wrote: |
while we are on the topic of blocking, has anyone else noticed images being blocked? i find that when i do image searches on Google, i usually come up with a page that does not load at all. |
same here. Most of the time the first page works fine, but if i continu the search, the second page won't load any pictures (or very few).
you can use http://image.baidu.com/ instead, it's very fast and nothing is blocked there  |
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pixelpunter
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Nov 13, 2005 - 07:07 PM |
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Cool, I've also been having trouble with my image searches on google, I'll check out the image.baidu.com. |
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xiaolaowai
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Nov 13, 2005 - 10:17 PM |
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| frenchlover1999 wrote: |
"Being well-informed is something people have to want; it can't, and in my opinion shouldn't be forced on anyone. "
Hey, we are not in the Land of God, where media are free, the government never tries to control people and only work for the good of mankind. We can't even own weapons here. Hell on Earth, I tell you. |
Governments always try to control people. It's just a judgement call on whether they are going to far or not. Just about every government controls their media to some extent as well. In most countries pornography is illegal for mainstream television accessible to all. In many countries they have laws regarding campaigning for elections... that is controlling who can say what about politics. It's all a matter of degree.
(Ok tirade over)
A friend told me that google image service is blocked for economic reasons... to give other search engines a shot, but I don't know if she knew what she was talking about or not.
I think it's too bad about wikipedia too. They had great pictures of cockroaches, and I wanted to identify the species on my balcony. I'm sure I can find the information someplace else though. |
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LurdLuggler
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Joined: Oct 24, 2005
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Nov 14, 2005 - 06:34 AM |
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If you've tried to get "proxyswitcher," as someone has suggested, have you been thwarted? That is, i was sent to some innocuous, bubbly Chinese website called hinet.net, certainly did not look like the place to get the program. I think this breach has been secured, also. |
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drusus
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Nov 14, 2005 - 08:24 AM |
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> The government ban gives us an opportunity to diversify our sources of information.
somebody said that banning web sites is a way to help people diversify their sources?
damn, how idiotic is that?
damn, now we can't access it! i feel i have more choices!
Well, frenchlover, I don't think you can possibly be that thick headed (j'espere pour toi), or maybe you are a party official and we are still in the 1970s? yeah, that must be it...
come on, everybody with average intelligence can figure out that wiki based web sites are a good way to ensure that information stays free and out of centralized control. if you think that "they" are biased then why not contribute yourself!!!
I'm not aware that I can contribute to the official part news channel, right?  |
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