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frenchlover1999
Shanghai Royalty
Joined: Sep 18, 2004
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Dec 13, 2005 - 10:29 PM |
 
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Nonsense Lemonade. Japan was already much more developed than China before the war. It is not your government that fuels hatred of Japan. FYI the people who ask you to join the so-called anti-Japanese demonstrations earlier this year were not government representatives. They were in the opposition. |
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frenchlover1999
Shanghai Royalty
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Dec 13, 2005 - 10:35 PM |
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But the point is that the world (including Japan) has moved on while China hasn't.
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All my examples prove that certainly the world (including Germany and Israel) has NOT moved on. |
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MaomingMaster
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Joined: Feb 03, 2004
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Dec 13, 2005 - 10:57 PM |
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What colour is the sky in your world, FL? |
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bellabella
Gypsy Queen
Joined: Aug 03, 2004
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Location: London
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Dec 13, 2005 - 11:41 PM |
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| All my examples prove that certainly the world (including Germany and Israel) has NOT moved on. |
but this does not make it right. and anyway I disagree, most europeans are not caught up in what happened during the war 60 years ago and who did what to whom. Yes we remember, but we don't demonise the germans like the chinese seem to do with the japanese. This thread is ridiculous anyway, we are just going round in circles. |
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happyending
Reacher
Joined: Oct 30, 2005
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Dec 14, 2005 - 11:14 AM |
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shut up grass, i didnt whine under this thread, did i?? it is you guys whining under this thread.
and gene is a fantastic thing. lets imagine a kid, who parents are all murders, then this kid I doubt his personality and moral. and even the gene does not work on this kid, this kid grow up with his murder parents, he will be affected by his parents eventually. see i am not racist. |
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happyending
Reacher
Joined: Oct 30, 2005
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Dec 14, 2005 - 11:17 AM |
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I am not saying every Japanese or german is bad, but it is highly likely such Japanese or german you meet is one of the descendants of those war murders, then they are suspicious. And since the possibility is quite high, so you cant trust any of them to avoid being attacked by them esp you are on an isolated island. |
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happyending
Reacher
Joined: Oct 30, 2005
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Dec 14, 2005 - 11:18 AM |
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but grass, dont say anything which you yourself dont approve or believe, or it is gross. |
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happyending
Reacher
Joined: Oct 30, 2005
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Dec 14, 2005 - 11:19 AM |
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it is hypocritical.
i am not saying grass is hypocritical, but i suspect she is. |
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wolfy
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Dec 14, 2005 - 11:54 AM |
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Estimates of Japanese civilian casualties for the the firebombing of Tokyo, the Hiroshima bomb and the Nagasaki bomb are around 300,000. But you don't often hear Japanese preaching hate and claiming victim status on the basis of this.
If Japanese hatred is still clouding your thinking then consider the bombing of Dresden, which claimed the best part of another 100,000 civilian lives.
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The difference is that the Chinese had done nothing to deserve it. |
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MaomingMaster
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Joined: Feb 03, 2004
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Dec 14, 2005 - 12:03 PM |
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True enough, but that's the nature of war....
War is hell. There are very few, if any, rules. It's not a game of cricket. |
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happyending
Reacher
Joined: Oct 30, 2005
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Dec 14, 2005 - 12:08 PM |
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no mmm, there are rules for a war.
you are wrong. |
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Henry_Chinaski
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Joined: Aug 16, 2003
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Dec 14, 2005 - 12:24 PM |
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"The difference is that the Chinese had done nothing to deserve it."
^^ Well said wolfy.
It's sad that peasant appears not to visit this site anymore, but one of the points he mentioned is that, in all the 33235 apologies of Japan to China the japanese have never used the deepest "apology" word in their language. Apparently they use something light, something like you use when you step on somebody else's foot in the subway, like when you break a glass in a cheap bar...when in fact they massacred a fu-king whole city (not to mention Harbin's experiments). Well, I know shite about the japanese language, but if this is the case, I think it indeed carries a powerful symbolism, and as such it IS prone to be interpreted EMOTIONALLY, which IT DOES. So, it's China's right to feel pissed. I am not saying that it is ok to incite hate (which is sad), but I dont think that "every chinese hates japanese" either. That's a simplification that only simple, idiotic people use since they cannot deal with complexity without simplifying things to blunt half-truths that they love to vomit around pretending "to understand china."
So, who the f*** are we foreigners to come here and tell "how China should feel" or to even compare the way China should feel to the way the jews should feel? It's a totally different culture, with different values. Germany apologizes every fkng year. So, you wanna compare this with Japan? Let's all drop the arrogance for a while and stop thinking we all know the truth and the "chinese never know the truth because their government is so bad". We hardly understand how China thinks. We hardly understand their values, their motivations, their fears....so, you are telling me that you all are very studied sinologists that all know the chinese psyque and really "understand" China? Ridiculous. Opinions are like arseholes: everyone has one. And like arseholes, most people has a disgusting opinion, mostly fueled by their own insecurities and here, most importantly, fueled by sheer racism ("oh, he is chinese, HENCe, he is <insert adjective here>").
So easy for us laowais to come here, watch somebody squatting on the corner or somebody pushing in the subway and say "oh, China is so <insert adjective here>". "The chinese are all <insert adjective here>". All this based on the 5 last pages of the Lonely Planet that we read while the plane is almost hitting the tarmac first time they come here...racist observations about people that barely had what to eat 35 years ago, while the laowai, sitting on their fat asses (and having had a cavity being the biggest misfortune of their lives) love to pass judgement on everybody left and right, like if they knew how the poor fk carrying 40 10 liter bottles of water in the sun feels. Ridiculous. |
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MaomingMaster
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Dec 14, 2005 - 12:31 PM |
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You're right HC. I think it's well documented that the Japanese use a lower-form apology when apologising to China.
Even so - by asking for the correct-form apology will it make it any more valid NOW?
I think it's got to the point when aplogies have become merely academic.
Btw, the official Nanjing Memorial link:
http://english.nj1937.org/english/default.asp |
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happyending
Reacher
Joined: Oct 30, 2005
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Dec 14, 2005 - 12:34 PM |
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well said HC and WOLFY.
i know most laowais all laugh at us chinese. but i dont care at all.
most laowais think most chinese are brainwashed, desperate, stupid, greedy, impolite, rude, dirty, poor....
but if you can tolerate slaughter, then you should be able to tolerate such shortcoming we chinese have.
i do know most laowais all laugh at china, this poor and miserable developing country, with loads of pathetic chinese.
ok i dont care. i am universal animal.
but there is a truth you must learn: only those who are unperfect and not good enough, would laughs at others. well, wsl is unperfect and not good enough, so wsl sometimes laugh at all of you. that is it. |
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happyending
Reacher
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Dec 14, 2005 - 12:36 PM |
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since wsl is unperfect and not good enough, is wsl is the leader of china, then wsl maybe he will lead chinese army to invade japan, but then i wont allow my soldiers to slaughter or torture armless japanese ppl. fighting and shooting between armies is another story. |
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happyending
Reacher
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Dec 14, 2005 - 12:38 PM |
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this imaginary leader, wsl, he will obey the war law. |
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happyending
Reacher
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Dec 14, 2005 - 12:39 PM |
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then if requested by the Jews, wsl will invade germany as well, still he will obey the law of war |
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Henry_Chinaski
Board Lord
Joined: Aug 16, 2003
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Dec 14, 2005 - 12:42 PM |
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"i know most laowais all laugh at us chinese. but i dont care at all.
most laowais think most chinese are brainwashed, desperate, stupid, greedy, impolite, rude, dirty, poor....
but if you can tolerate slaughter, then you should be able to tolerate such shortcoming we chinese have.
i do know most laowais all laugh at china, this poor and miserable developing country, with loads of pathetic chinese.
ok i dont care. i am universal animal.
but there is a truth you must learn: only those who are unperfect and not good enough, would laughs at others. well, wsl is unperfect and not good enough, so wsl sometimes laugh at all of you. that is it.
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WSL, that was a gem in its simplicity man. I can see that came from the core.
If you can post sincere stuff like this post, why do you need to spam the board with stupidity most time?
Really, I think some of your posts carry a lot of value. But you keep hurting yourself online by sounding silly on purpose man. |
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shanghaiphooey
Barker
Joined: Nov 26, 2005
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Dec 14, 2005 - 12:43 PM |
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I think the correct way for Chinese government to get this thing right is to tax japanese imports as payment for war crime retributions and start chase after former war criminals in the japanese government and outside and hang them like the jews are doing to the former nazis.
Yet the Chinese government got no bones to do just that. They seem to be happy just to be victims. The Russians got paid, the Americans got paid, The French got paid, don't know about whether the english men got paid but who cares! Chinese should also get paid for winning the WWII. |
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happyending
Reacher
Joined: Oct 30, 2005
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Dec 14, 2005 - 12:50 PM |
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thanks HC, i do have many gems to show all you guys, but then they all hate me, then i dont care at all. but sometimes it is just taht i feel like i have the responsibility to teach those stupid ppl, so that they can be less stupid, but then how come you can expect stupid ppl to ad mit wsl is sometimes smart and wise? no they wont,they are afraid, they cheat themself, they repeatedly tell themself that wsl is a stupid cnut, they repeatedly do that, then eventually they do think wsl is really stupid.
only smart ppl can recognize and appreciate smart ppl, that is XING XING XI XING XING, or XING XING XIANG XI.
but then i dont care. |
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merdy
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Joined: Mar 10, 2004
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Dec 14, 2005 - 02:59 PM |
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110% in agreement with chinaski...both for his post and his take on adsl / lovingglue / heavyshiiiting (nice guy overall but a little coo coo in the head).
All this poor guy said in the title and in his opening post is that the chinese should never forget the massacre by the japanese...he never mentioned that Japanese are evil or showed any kind of hatred towards them...I looked up slaughter in the dictionary: one of the definitions is "the killing of a large number of people"...now does 300 K qualify as a large number? I'd say yes...therefore, just as the jews should never forget the holocaust (and we all know they never will), the Chinese should never forget Nanjing.... This does not mean that jews should hate Germans or Chinese should hate the Japanese...But if you forget, then history may repeat itself...Now Germany apologizes every year cause they killed 6 million people and wanted to eradicate a whole religion...Japan has not apologized at all (half apology in this case is equal to no apology) and on the contrary keeps putting oil on the fire...
And yes, the Chinese who take this grim episode of their history as an excuse to hate the Japanese are missing the point, but this is not what this thread is discussing...
We should all preach tolerance and peace. Nevertheless, significant historic stains like this senseless massacre should never be forgotten or taken lightly. Not only by the Chinese, but by all of us...
So all of you frustrated, bitter racists who attacked him with the whole "get over it" message should take a second look at what you are saying...
And that's that... |
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happyending
Reacher
Joined: Oct 30, 2005
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Dec 14, 2005 - 03:15 PM |
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that is it merdy, now i am signing off, this iste is hopeless, byebye. |
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lemongrass
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Joined: Jan 15, 2005
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Dec 15, 2005 - 03:25 AM |
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Well Frank I know some dark strength from an island are participating in making the cake of "I-hate-Japanse". But the local media controlled by the government exposes their intention better than anything else.
And you wsl, my compatriot. I must be hypocritical at times but not in this thread. I wont forget Nanjing massacre and the various of live body experiments made by Unit 731 happening in the history of China. Oh yeah I understand how you fell about it!!! I just fed up with the nonsense coming out again and again without a bright direction as I've wished. So are we clear now?
Look, you are perhaps not a good example to learn from but I do think you are wise at times. To make others stop looking down on pathetic Chinese, please you start to be a wise man who has dignity from now on and stop talking about shiat. btw for those who feel superior to the pathetic Chinese, I pity them too. Only retards having no courage to be self-cynical on their own dark sides have to make them feel better by laughting at others' weak points. |
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sweetgirl17
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Dec 15, 2005 - 05:45 PM |
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"I think the correct way for Chinese government to get this thing right is to tax japanese imports as payment for war crime retributions and start chase after former war criminals in the japanese government and outside and hang them like the jews are doing to the former nazis.
Yet the Chinese government got no bones to do just that."
i was taught that conversely to germany, where the nazis were totally overthrown and persecuted, japan basically just had some select ringleaders hung to let every1 know the USA ran japan from now on. but the underlying fabric and foundations of the japanese establishment, including the foul criminal emperor were let off scot free.
this was done to prevent instability and the possibilty of communist gains in japan, democratic (very conceivable at that time, sepecially if they were made to fully accept their guilt)
thus very little has changed until the koizumi victory or maybe even today about the fundamentals of japanese society. that is probably a big worry for its past victims
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interesting that some1, no doubt a dumb american, said japan wasnt as bad. the germans were of course vile, but they were really just using machinery in the most efficient way, which is what they do best. the japanese were barbaric unseen since the turks in armenia |
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acujerjer
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Dec 15, 2005 - 06:52 PM |
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Look all you morons, who cares if Japan appologizes? We are talking about their stupid government. There is no Mr. Japan. Hey, Bush kills lots and lots of innocent people and doesn't appologize. Why don't you all hate me. It's the same thing dumbfuuks.
Ok, the Jappanese government sucks. GREAT! What gov't doesn't suck. Are the Japanese people walking around proud that they killed Chinese? A very very small minority. Most Japanese are modern people like us. They don't think about it and they don't care. Get over it you morons. We got people like Nathalie 25 who is like 22 who hates Japps because of something that happened 60 years ago. It is such bullshiit. All you have to do is go to Japan fopr 1 week and talk to people and you will see that the image the CCP put in your head about Japan, does not exist now. |
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