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thewalrus
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Joined: Apr 28, 2004
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Jan 28, 2006 - 11:53 AM |
 
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Took it yesterday...best 40 kuai I spent! Goo goo goo jooob! |
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pixelpunter
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Jan 28, 2006 - 02:17 PM |
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I just took it today, and thought it was awesome! Granted, you've got to do the slog by metro to Longyan, but then you get onto this supercool, superfast train and just watch the rest of the journey get eaten up by speed! WhooHoo! |
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mikko
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Joined: Oct 29, 2005
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Location: 80% Shanghai, 20% Istanbul
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Jan 29, 2006 - 01:44 PM |
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Don 't forget that from the first morning train until 9.00 a.m., and after the 5.32 p.m. train until the last train at 9.00 p.m. (from both ends) it only goes at 200 KM/hr. Saves a load of electricity going that bit slower.
And saving prohibitive electricity costs is what I was told was the reason for abandoning the idea of extending it to Beijing. But Shanghai Daily last week said that they plan to extend it to Shanghai South Railway Station and on to Hong Qiao Airport. Hence a 15 minutes connection between the two airports. Great.
BTW I can't remember being here in Shanghai in a former life, but I was here for three weeks in August/September 1962 in my present life. Anbodby beat that? |
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stevep
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Jan 29, 2006 - 02:48 PM |
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i have taken many fast trains before and i must admit that this's one awesome ride. as far as i m concern, money well spent on this infrastructure. i dreamt i was here in 1961 - must be a real dream during your sleep. |
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nishi
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Joined: Jan 12, 2006
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Feb 04, 2006 - 08:02 AM |
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I took maglev last tuesday. Wohooo!!! fast train only 7mins from longyang station to pudong airport. I paid 40 rmb one way |
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frenchlover1999
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Feb 04, 2006 - 01:12 PM |
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And saving prohibitive electricity costs is what I was told was the reason for abandoning the idea of extending it to Beijing.
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Electricity is cheap in China and this factor was easily calculated in the design stage, not a surprise really. |
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Andreas
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Joined: Feb 27, 2004
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Feb 04, 2006 - 03:12 PM |
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As a ride, an attraction, the Maglev is of course a nice experience. Cool speed, cheap fun !
From an energy conversion (sorry, but I'm an engineer  ) point of view it's a nightmare. And from a transportation point of view it's about as useful as a screen door in a submarine. I guess everybody that has ever used the Hong Kong Airport express will agree. |
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Andreas
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Joined: Feb 27, 2004
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Feb 04, 2006 - 03:21 PM |
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[quote="mikko"]And saving prohibitive electricity costs is what I was told was the reason for abandoning the idea of extending it to Beijing. But Shanghai Daily last week said that they plan to extend it to Shanghai South Railway Station and on to Hong Qiao Airport. Hence a 15 minutes connection between the two airports. Great.[quote]
The energy consumption is one reason why the idea of a Maglev connection between Shanghai and Beijing was abandoned. But it was not the most important one.
Building any railroad connection will only be profitable if you can use the track not only to transport passengers, but also freight.
Now with a Maglev track you can not transport freight efficiently. The relatively higher weight would not only drive the energy costs up exponentially, but also calls for much heavier equipment (cars, lifting coils, moving coils). Add to that the fact that building a Maglev track costs about 3 times more than building a conventional (high speed) railway track. |
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Trix77
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Feb 04, 2006 - 07:00 PM |
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After all this talk on this thread, and since the Mr. and I were in a touristy mood, we did it.
It is incredible. But what was also very nice to watch, was the obvious pride on peoples' faces (Im assuming they were from here). If sucha thing were ever made in Bombay, I'd burst with pride I think... but that's utopian, so I can keep dreaming on.
Ignorance is bliss, so I'll turn a blind eye to the economics. The Walrus and the french Carpenter can continue their little game on those issues.
Did anyone else feel 'sea-legs' after the ride? I dont know if we were imagining it, but both my husband and I felt a bit woozy after the rides. |
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tmalg
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Andreas
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Feb 04, 2006 - 08:32 PM |
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Well that explains why it's outdated technology |
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Domm
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Joined: Oct 25, 2005
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Feb 05, 2006 - 09:23 AM |
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Hey tmalg,
You should not source information from websites that obviously contain wrong information:
"1998 - Hamburg to Berlin route will be complete" This route was only discussed and never went into any detail planing phase
Well, concerning the glory of invention I think it is like with most other developments, too: Many scientists in a couple of different countries conduct research in the same field and achieve coalesce results...
But beside this: There can be no doubt, that THIS amazing transportation system here in Shanghai is a German train |
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frenchlover1999
Shanghai Royalty
Joined: Sep 18, 2004
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Feb 05, 2006 - 11:13 AM |
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If sucha thing were ever made in Bombay, I'd burst with pride I think... but that's utopian, so I can keep dreaming on.
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Have they build sidewalks and paved the roads in Bombay yet? The magic of Democracy.
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Ignorance is bliss, so I'll turn a blind eye to the economics. The Walrus and the french Carpenter can continue their little game on those issues.
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If I were a carpenter
and you were a lady,
Would you marry me anyway?
Would you have my baby?
If a tinker were my trade
would you still find me,
carring the pots I made,
following behind me.
Save my love through loneliness,
Save my love for sorrow,
I'm given you my onliness,
Come give your tomorrow.
If I worked my hands in wood,
Would you still love me?
Answer me babe, "Yes I would,
I'll put you above me."
If I were a miller
at a mill wheel grinding,
would you miss your color box,
and your soft shoe shining?
If I were a carpenter
and you were a lady,
Would you marry me anyway?
Would you have my baby?
Would you marry anyway?
Would you have my baby?
Sorry I am in one of those crooning moods today. |
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Trix77
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Feb 05, 2006 - 12:34 PM |
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Are you crooning to the Gallahagar Walrus? or me? If it's the latter, it's a nice song, but sorry I already have a ring around my finger. Albeit, an indo-franco baby would look rather cute.
In case YOUR classics are rusty, I was referring to Lewis Carrol's CLASSIC Alice in Wonderland. |
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yu888
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Feb 07, 2006 - 02:02 PM |
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Actually after 5:30pm, the Mag lev travels at 300km/hr not 200 as mentioned earlier.
While the cost of building this thing was probably pretty astronomical, now that its built, we shoudl utilise it to get more efficiency out of it. I personally found the ride to be very nice. COmfortable and convenient too, especially now with its extended hours. |
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wolfy
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Joined: Sep 13, 2004
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Feb 07, 2006 - 03:20 PM |
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Rubbish! I don't know where you dug that bogus site up from...
Professor Eric Laithwaite of Imperial College in London designed the first magnetically levitating high-speed train in the 1950s.
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Laithwaite's ideas, of no use to the British Government, were rapidly picked up by the Japanese and Germans as the oil crisis began to bite. Undaunted, Laithwaite continued to develop his theories and soon replaced the hovercraft principle with magnetic levitation. This relied on the repelling power of like poles of magnets to lift and move a craft along a track at speed. Although "Maglev" trains were relatively cheap, only one was built in Britain, at Birmingham airport. Japan and Germany were again quicker to see the benefits.
For the next 20 years, the costs of Maglev and controversy surrounding Laithwaite's thinking on other scientific matters (notably the propelling qualities of gyroscopes) meant his work on linear motors was ignored.
Magnetic levitation was relegated from the frontier of technology to a place as one of Q's toys in the James Bond film The Spy Who Loved Me (1977) - Major Boothroyd uses it to propel a tray at decapitating speed. |
http://www.keelynet.com/gravity/laithobi.htm |
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DragonAss
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May 03, 2007 - 04:02 PM |
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Does anyone have its timetable?? |
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chingiskhan
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Joined: Apr 24, 2007
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May 04, 2007 - 01:55 AM |
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Lived in Shanghai for 2 years and only took it for the first time last month. It was very cool. I had no luggage and was going to Nanjing East so it was quick and easy. My only complaint was it was too short (7 minutes) and was over almost before it began. Of course it's disappointing it doesn't extend to the downtown area and the MUCH SHORTER subway part of my journey took longer than the airport to Longyang part, but I was very impressed nonetheless. |
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nettyli
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May 04, 2007 - 09:21 AM |
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Only took it once, as a visiting guest had read about it and wanted to try it. It's clean and fun, but a real nightmare once you get off, as you are surrounded by taxi drivers. Its also not convenient for me, as I lived in Gubei as I then have to take a cab anyway, to get home. |
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DragonAss
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May 04, 2007 - 01:13 PM |
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I need a quick ride to get to the airport as I have flight to catch after arriving from Nanjing by train. My only concern is that the train may only take 7 minutes, but waiting time was like 20-30 minutes last time I was there. |
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buttercookie
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May 05, 2007 - 09:40 PM |
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the train comes at 15min intervals.. i've been on it trice and have never waited more than 15mins.. |
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answerer
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May 06, 2007 - 01:08 AM |
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I think they say it's 20min intervals between departures. I've been on it quite a few times and from Longyang -> PVG follows the on-the-hour, 20 after and 40 after. So 7:00, 7:20, 7:40, 8:00 and so on. |
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DragonAss
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May 06, 2007 - 12:42 PM |
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ahaa.... that's very helpful... thanx a lot, guys. I will try to get there on time 'coz I have like 2 hours before the flight, but that's if my train fron Nanjing didnt get delayed which I pray it wouldnt...
I missed this flight, I would miss the connecting flight and I wouldnt be on time for my appointment in jakarta the following morning... what a mess...  |
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currychook
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Joined: Dec 21, 2005
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May 08, 2007 - 07:48 PM |
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Few things for improvement-
a) a conveyor belt could be installed on the second storey platform corridor to the Maglev station. Better signs and a better maintained corridor (that wasn't littered with rubbish)
b) lifts to allow passengers with heavy luggage to access ground floor from Longhua station stop.
c) Service staff should be better trained at crowd control when getting down escalators to Maglev boarding platform.
d) Seating system for passengers so that there is no dispute during rush hour.
e) Announcements in at least four different languages (for newbies) so that people know where to proceed from Longhua station.
f) Seperation of airport passangers (with luggage) and Chinese tourists (who just come to gawk) into different carriages - again ticketing system!
g) clear standing lines and porters to help with passengers trying to get on the f*king train. |
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chingiskhan
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May 09, 2007 - 02:59 PM |
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Yeah that's why there isn't another similar maglev route anywhere in the world. A nice idea but not very practical in terms of cost effectiveness. A pity as I would love to have seen a Beijing to Shanghai maglev which would really be a real alternative to flying. |
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