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acujerjer
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Feb 28, 2006 - 04:19 PM |
 
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Have people forgotten that the reason there was a war in Iraq was supposedly because of these so called Weapons of Mass Destruction? What happened to this?
"Well, Saddham won't get rid of his WMDs, so we are gonna bomb him!"
So, the official word came in stating there were no WMDs and woops! Sorry folks!
Now you look at what's going on in IRaq now, with a civil war possibly to occur, and it's like, what the fuuk? The reason the Bush dikheads told us was not to blow up Iraq then rebuild it, protect the world from the big bad Weapons that Saddham was building.
So that's it? We just sit by and watch? Noone is accountable for this debauchery? The world is a bunch of pussies! Everyone talks shiit about America, but you don't see any countries getting together to try and take the Bush Administration to international trial. Instead of protesting and burning synagogues in France, why don't nations get together and get an international civilized trial going on. There is enough evidence that this Government is a complete farce. I mean, here they are at war for reasons that change over and over again. |
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shanghaiphooey
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Feb 28, 2006 - 04:22 PM |
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The thing is, they are winning. Germany is down, with the female "pro-american chanceller" elected. Canada is down too and France is under attacks of bird flu or some other germ weapons. Others like japan and austrilia are already inside the pants...
The world is f*cked, all for a few bucks. |
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acujerjer
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Feb 28, 2006 - 04:26 PM |
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And with all this seriousness, VP Dickhead Cheney goes fuukin hunting. Is this all really happening? Is this all real? |
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LifeMage
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Feb 28, 2006 - 04:42 PM |
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The funniest/scariest thing is that Saddam was placed in power by the CIA after the 1963 coup to overthrough, the then popularly supported president Qasim. Osama bin Laden was trained and funded by the CIA to fight the Russians in Afghanistan and the Talban itself was heavily aided / supported by the U.S, in it's rise to power.
Regime change is nothing new for the US.
Pick a leader that will suppress his people and do your bidding.
When he doesn't listen anymore, oust him and find another puppet. |
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sass
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Feb 28, 2006 - 04:47 PM |
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When was the last time you voted????
And I will refrain from saying what I am REALLY feeling about your comments.
Sass !! |
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Andreas
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Feb 28, 2006 - 04:49 PM |
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Found this little gem in my archive. It's still spot on...
Excellent letter to the London Observer from Terry Jones of Monty Python.
Sunday January 26, 2003
I'm really excited by George Bush's latest reason for bombing Iraq: he's
running out of patience. And so am I! For some time now I've been really
pissed off with Mr Johnson, who lives a couple of doors down the street.
Well, him and Mr Patel, who runs the health food shop. They both give me
queer looks, and I'm sure Mr Johnson is planning something nasty for me, but
so far I haven't been able to discover what.
I've been round to his place a few times to see what he's up to, but he's
got everything well hidden. That's how devious he is. As for Mr Patel, don't
ask me how I know, I just know - from very good sources - that he is, in
reality, a Mass Murderer. I have leafleted the street telling them that if
we don't act first, he'll pick us off one by one. Some of my neighbours say,
if I've got proof, why don't I go to the police? But that's simply
ridiculous. The police will say that they need evidence of a crime with
which to charge my neighbours. They'll come up with endless red tape and
quibbling about the rights and wrongs of a pre-emptive strike and all the
while Mr Johnson will be finalising his plans to do terrible things to me,
while Mr Patel will be secretly murdering people. Since I'm the only one in
the street with a decent range of automatic firearms, I reckon it's up to me
to keep the peace. But until recently that's been a little difficult. Now,
however, George W. Bush has made it clear that all I need to do is run out
of patience, and then I can wade in and do whatever I want!
And let's face it, Mr Bush's carefully thought-out policy towards Iraq is
the only way to bring about international peace and security. The one
certain way to stop Muslim fundamentalist suicide bombers targeting the US
or the UK is to bomb a few Muslim countries that have never threatened us.
That's why I want to blow up Mr Johnson's garage and kill his wife and
children. Strike first! That'll teach him a lesson. Then he'll leave us in
peace and stop peering at me in that totally unacceptable way.
Mr Bush makes it clear that all he needs to know before bombing Iraq is that
Saddam is a really nasty man and that he has weapons of mass destruction -
even if no one can find them. I'm certain I've just as much justification
for killing Mr Johnson's wife and children as Mr Bush has for bombing Iraq.
Mr Bush's long-term aim is to make the world a safer place by eliminating
'rogue states' and 'terrorism'. It's such a clever long-term aim because how
can you everknow when you've achieved it?
How will Mr Bush know when he's wiped out all terrorists? When every single
terrorist is dead? But then a terrorist is only a terrorist once he's
committed an act of terror. What about would-be terrorists? These are the
ones you really want to eliminate, since most of the known terrorists, being
suicide bombers, have already eliminated themselves. Perhaps Mr Bush needs
to wipe out everyone who could possibly be a future terrorist? Maybe he
can't be sure he's achieved his objective until every Muslim fundamentalist
is dead? But then some moderate Muslims might convert to fundamentalism.
Maybe the only really safe thing to do would be for Mr Bush to eliminate all
Muslims?
It's the same in my street. Mr Johnson and Mr Patel are just the tip of the
iceberg. There are dozens of other people in the street who I don't like and
who - quite frankly - look at me in odd ways. No one will be really safe
until I've wiped them all out. My wife says I might be going too far but I
tell her I'm simply using the same logic as the President of the United
States. That shuts her up. Like Mr Bush, I've run out of patience, and if
that's a good enough reason for the President, it's good enough for me. I'm
going to give the whole street two weeks - no, 10 days - to come out in the
open and hand over all aliens and interplanetary hijackers, galactic outlaws
and interstellar terrorist masterminds, and if they don't hand them over
nicely and say 'Thank you', I'm going to bomb the entire street to kingdom
come.
It's just as sane as what George W. Bush is proposing - and, in contrast to
what he's intending, my policy will destroy only one street. |
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acujerjer
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Feb 28, 2006 - 05:25 PM |
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The last time I voted? What the fuuk? The last election was the last time I voted. So what? |
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sass
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Feb 28, 2006 - 07:25 PM |
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Calm down!!!!,, I was just curious. Continue on
Sass !! |
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shanghaiphooey
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Feb 28, 2006 - 07:44 PM |
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I voted for Bush. Just can't get myself together to vote for that gore guy. Somehow he gives me the creaps.
alpha male huh?
heh heh gimpy fag heh. |
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OrangePJ
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Feb 28, 2006 - 11:00 PM |
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what the hell are those iraqis doing still fighting anyway? Don't they know Bush has already proclaimed victory a long time ago? Mission accomplished, job well done. Next! Someone should tell these people... |
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keayts
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Feb 28, 2006 - 11:32 PM |
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I don't think WMDs were the sole reason for going to war, but one of a few cited by the resolution authorizing war that had passed the Senate a few years ago. At any rate, as I've heard it, the WMD intelligence had been collaberated by the Israeli intelligence agency for certain, and either the French or the German one as well. Saddam did use gas on Iraqis (Kurds and Shiites) and Persians in the past, so there was a historical record of their use. And as far back as 1996, he had been playing cat-and-mouse with the UN inspectors (I remember reading an article on this back then, collaberated with photographs and testimony from the UN), arranging his security operations as to give people the impression that he had something to hide.
Intelligence can never be 100% accurate as it is. The WMD argument against the war is a red herring.
Why are the Iraqis still fighting? Well, I think it might have something to do with the fact that foreign fanatics are interrupting their pace of life, stalling the growth of a representative form of government, and generally causing havok and making life miserable.
And why did America support Saddam in Osama in the past? Because we were at war with the Soviets, and allowing the Soviets to control the world's oil supply would have led to an entirely different ending to the Cold War. The Soviets had backed the Iranians; allowing Tehran to win the war in Iraq would have been a disaster in those days.
I don't think America's history of involvement in the Middle East is flawless by any stretch of the imagination, but given how history has played out, I definitely do think that what missteps America has made usually has been in response to the geopolitical realities of the Cold War. |
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Kiwi
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Mar 01, 2006 - 12:21 AM |
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How many American civilians have died as a result of terrorism?
How many Iraqi civilians have died as a result of the 'war on terror'? |
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LifeMage
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Mar 01, 2006 - 12:51 AM |
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The 'war on terror' IS the reincarnation of 'the cold war'.
Fear causes normally sane people to support insanity
and the men of war understand this, down to a science. |
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Bluebag
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Mar 01, 2006 - 01:21 AM |
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Keayts: "...foreign fanatics are interrupting their pace of life, stalling the growth of a representative form of government, and generally causing havok and making life miserable."
Yep, Halliburton are bastards, aren't they.
Oh! You meant the OTHER foreign fanatics - the ones who aren't making a gazillion bucks out of it. |
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acujerjer
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Mar 01, 2006 - 01:23 AM |
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Keaytes:
"I don't think WMDs were the sole reason for going to war, but one of a few cited by the resolution authorizing war that had passed the Senate a few years ago"
WMDs were the 100% exact reason the Bush Administration gave for why they even cared about Iraq in the first place. It was the ONLY reason they said why they should go to war. The reasons have changed. Then it became to oust Saddham, then it was the liberate Iraq, now it is bring democracy. What a load of pure Shiit! Liberate this asholes! (grabs crotch). As if all that matters in the world is if Iraq votes.
The funny thing is, before this war, Iraq had no links to terrorism. No intelligent person could ever favor this war. The only people that could support this, would have to be someone completely brainwashed by the rhetoric. |
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LifeMage
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Mar 01, 2006 - 01:33 AM |
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U.S. Had Key Role in Iraq Buildup
Trade in Chemical Arms Allowed Despite Their Use on Iranians, Kurds
By Michael Dobbs
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, December 30, 2002; Page A01
High on the Bush administration's list of justifications for war against Iraq are President Saddam Hussein's use of chemical weapons, nuclear and biological programs, and his contacts with international terrorists. What U.S. officials rarely acknowledge is that these offenses date back to a period when Hussein was seen in Washington as a valued ally.
Among the people instrumental in tilting U.S. policy toward Baghdad during the 1980-88 Iran-Iraq war was Donald H. Rumsfeld, now defense secretary, whose December 1983 meeting with Hussein as a special presidential envoy paved the way for normalization of U.S.-Iraqi relations. Declassified documents show that Rumsfeld traveled to Baghdad at a time when Iraq was using chemical weapons on an "almost daily" basis in defiance of international conventions.
The story of U.S. involvement with Saddam Hussein in the years before his 1990 attack on Kuwait -- which included large-scale intelligence sharing, supply of cluster bombs through a Chilean front company, and facilitating Iraq's acquisition of chemical and biological precursors -- is a topical example of the underside of U.S. foreign policy. It is a world in which deals can be struck with dictators, human rights violations sometimes overlooked, and accommodations made with arms proliferators, all on the principle that the "enemy of my enemy is my friend."
Read the rest here;
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A5 2241-2002Dec29 |
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Andreas
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Mar 01, 2006 - 01:44 AM |
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It's always been history repeating itself. Nothing changed. |
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LifeMage
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Mar 01, 2006 - 01:55 AM |
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how did WWII start again?
"On August 31, 1939, Hitler and the Nazis staged a Polish attack on a minor German radio station in order to justify a German invasion of Poland. On September 1, Hitler declared war on Poland stating one of his reasons for the invasion was because of "the attack by regular Polish troops on the Gleiwitz transmitter."
Hmmm??? makes ya' wonder about 9-11. |
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Andreas
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Mar 01, 2006 - 02:00 AM |
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Exactly my point |
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acujerjer
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Mar 01, 2006 - 02:03 AM |
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Yeah but it didn't happen entirely like that. Many Americans were very against the war.
But most importantly, if Turkey is attacked from the rear, will they use Greece? |
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gman
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Mar 01, 2006 - 02:30 AM |
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gotta tell ya all its all about the money same as every war in recent history. it has nothing what-so-ever to do with patriotism, us being attacked, WMDs or anything else.
The environment was right, the money was obtainalbe and now its theirs. Plain and Simple.
War is encouraged by politicians because they suffer no loss and always come thru with financial gain, and not by chance. |
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gman
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Mar 01, 2006 - 02:31 AM |
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Acu. "will Turkey use Greece" brilliant. goodun dude. |
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acujerjer
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Mar 01, 2006 - 04:16 AM |
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Hehe. Yeah "Greece" like "grease". |
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dfoo
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Mar 01, 2006 - 12:10 PM |
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The amazing thing about that quote is it is *exactly* what the administration did after the attacks on 9/11. Anyone who spoke up against Bush was ripped a new one -- publically if possible. You are unpatriotic! You are either with us, or against us. It is "unamerican" to not support the president in a time of war.
What horseshit. |
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hammerforlife
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Mar 01, 2006 - 12:24 PM |
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Article from the Guardian today included:
"Another striking element of the poll was the opinion of US soldiers over why they were there.
Only a quarter thought their role was establishing a democracy "that can be a model for the Arab world".
Nearly 86% said it was "to retaliate for Saddam's role in the 9/11 attacks", a role proved to have been non-existent."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,1720507,00.html |
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