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rutuman
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Mar 20, 2006 - 11:25 AM |
 
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,1734902,00.html
this article is very factual and so dissappoing to me.
what has the USA become. maybe some century old Irish thing, but i always saw the USA as our great saviour, the most righteous nation on earth. Now, they r just retards run by crooks with no regard for human life.
GWB, all known relatives and associates should be hung for what they have done. f*** milosovic and saddam trials. saddam prevented this, bush caused this.
americans need their own civil war to gas these freak christian psychos that vote for bush, otherwise f*** em. this is no longer the america of the 50's.
Europe should align with all other states against the USA, those sobs r no better than china now
if americans want to spread democaracy, maybe they should look at their own country and see how good it is.
the EU should show it has the principles that europe invented and apply sanctions to the USA for the illegal war they launched that has caused mass-slaughter, much worse then saddam, kosovo and Darfur together. |
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frenchlover1999
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Mar 20, 2006 - 12:24 PM |
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My poor friend, we French are too busy rioting in Paris. Students are once again in the streets, storming Mac Donalds, blocking universities, burning cars... over some new employment law that would allow them to find a job quicker, albeit without all the strings, parachutes and other benefits usually attached to employent in France. As I explained in another thread, France needs a strongman, a Milosevic or a Saddam. Frenchlover is still too young for the job, but 10 years from now I would consider it. |
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shanghaiceltic
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Mar 20, 2006 - 12:27 PM |
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The US Govt is in denial mode. Their troops have never been any good at peacekeeping only at front line fighting which is why British troop number are being increased. Reading the various newspapers none of the British troops like working with the US Army as they are too quick to shoot and then ask questions. |
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rutuman
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Mar 20, 2006 - 12:48 PM |
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^ as if ours are any better. my friend who is now a marine's ambition was to kill people
the miltary's job is to kill people and now people wonder why they abuse people? what a crap joke
and frenchlover , as u well know, those bandits are just small-minded, stupid scum and should be gassed. i have and still would join in a riot and i fully expect to be beaten or worse. the world offers no more than the temporary excitement of having the pigs on the run. get it, while the gettin is good. i recommend joining in a riot to any1 out there. funnest crap ever! |
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frenchlover1999
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Mar 20, 2006 - 08:43 PM |
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I am shocked. The article is basically saying Rumsfeld is an idiot who cannot manage the war in Iraq. Rumsfeld has one of the world’s best resumes, with a career both in government (he has been secdef before) and business. He knows his thing. The more likely explanation is that Rumsfeld has actually done his job as planned and reached his goals… The article mentions the breaking up of Iraq in religious and ethic factions, the civil war, etc! Welcome to Yugoslavia! That's exactly the model that the US has been – and is still – promoting around the world. Wake up guys. The guy who wrote the article is on the same side as them, his role being to confuse the public even more, blaming incompetence while we are dealing with very successful master planners. |
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acujerjer
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Mar 21, 2006 - 03:29 AM |
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But most of the US doesn't support Bush. He probably rigges the election anyways. America is completely taken over by Right Wing Christian fascists. |
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LifeMage
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Mar 21, 2006 - 04:03 AM |
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complacency doesn't change anything. |
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acujerjer
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Mar 21, 2006 - 06:46 AM |
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So everyone who lives in the USA can be classified as "one who is in support of what is happening right now in Iraq"? What the government is doing right now does not represent the people as a majority. So the statement "Fuuk the USA" should be more "Fuuk the Bush Administration" who does not represent the majority of American people, nor the life here. |
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The_Meanderer
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Mar 21, 2006 - 09:10 AM |
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| acujerjer wrote: |
| What the government is doing right now does not represent the people as a majority. So the statement "Fuuk the USA" should be more "Fuuk the Bush Administration" who does not represent the majority of American people, nor the life here. |
YES! Excellent point and one that we all need to remember. America is not an entire, unfractured entity. Which also means that a person cannot be simply defined as 'an American' leaving us with a clear and correct idea of who they are and what they believe in.
Any group is made of individuals. If a group is large enough it may be made of smaller groups. This is why any generalisation over race, religion or country of origin is completely redundant.
And as for **** the Bush Admin, I can only agree. |
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lancesidecar
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Mar 21, 2006 - 10:01 AM |
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You can't blame the entire population for the actions of the government. As AJJ pointed out, the majority does not support the Administration.
The biggest shame is that the truth seems to be irrelevant to the folks in charge concerning Iraq and the Middle East, yet they are forcing the "truth" of right wing religious fundamentals on the domestic population. IE: you are not a good Christian unless you are Republican. Or you are not a true Republican if you aren't against abortion, etc. This administration has been very clever in propagating the idea that if you are a liberal or democrat then you are anti-american/anti-religious, etc. Things are just too black and white now with the two party system. |
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frenchlover1999
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Mar 21, 2006 - 10:08 AM |
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I think the army is representative of the "people". The administration is more representative of the elite. Both don't look very good in Iraq. Think Abu Graib. |
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lancesidecar
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Mar 21, 2006 - 10:20 AM |
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| I think the army is representative of the "people" |
Can you expand on this FL, I don't get your drift? Are you saying that Americans are sleep walking through this administration's era? |
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Henry_Chinaski
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Mar 21, 2006 - 10:23 AM |
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By definition a Democracy represents the wishes of the majority of the people, so, Bush DOES represent the wishes of the majority of the americans.
Otherwise he wouldnt have been elected would him?
So, since we all need our share of simplifications to cope with the complexity of life, Bush = USA is pretty valid, since the majority of the USA voted for Bush. That's Democracy for you.
Unless of course you can prove that the elections were rigged, etc, etc, etc, which no one can, hence Bush = USA.
Funny that we love to generalize here and say "all the chinese are this, all the chinese are that", but now that someone is generalizing the americans the discussion is all about "the administration does not represent me".
I presume the same would hold true when we judge the Chinese wouldnt it  ? The Lao Wang down the street does not represent the CCP (and as a matter of fact he cannot even be represented directly by his own government), but we keep going on and on about about it.
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yu888
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Mar 21, 2006 - 10:31 AM |
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^NOT entirely accurate since the Democracy system in the US only reflect the wishes of the time of election of those who actually vote. Unlike in Austtrailia where voting is mandatory, may Americans are too lazy or uneducated or just plain ignorant to actually take time to vote. Many others in America may not have that right yet. So in actuality, in a close vote like the one that allowed Shrub in to office, he and his administration may not actually represent the wishes of the majority of the people. |
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frenchlover1999
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Mar 21, 2006 - 10:37 AM |
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may Americans are too lazy or uneducated or just plain ignorant to actually take time to vote.
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Ok thats what I meant by "the army represents the people". These guys join the low ranks in the army. See what they do. |
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Henry_Chinaski
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Mar 21, 2006 - 10:43 AM |
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yu888 this is not material to the case, at all. The people that do not vote do not care about the outcome of the election: either way is good (or bad) for them.
If you have the right to chose but give this right to somebody else then you cant actually complain about it can you?
It is like going to the restaurant with a bunch of people, letting them do the ordering for you and then complaining about the food. If you exercised your right to chose then you wouldnt end up with a shitty meal. But you didnt care.
Also, by majority I meant voting majority: those that actually DO care and DO exercise their right to vote. |
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frenchlover1999
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Mar 21, 2006 - 10:48 AM |
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And the truth - which I keep repeating - is that the Bush administration did their job well. Rumself, who is now being called incompetent, achieved what he was set to achieve. The breakup of Iraq in religious and ethnic factions. We saw this happening before in Europe (now blamed on villains like Milosevic). |
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lancesidecar
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Mar 21, 2006 - 10:51 AM |
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...and in an instant this thread becomes polarized. It could have been an intelligent discussion. |
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yu888
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Mar 21, 2006 - 11:01 AM |
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| Henry_Chinaski wrote: |
yu888 this is not material to the case, at all. The people that do not vote do not care about the outcome of the election: either way is good (or bad) for them.
If you have the right to chose but give this right to somebody else then you cant actually complain about it can you?
It is like going to the restaurant with a bunch of people, letting them do the ordering for you and then complaining about the food. If you exercised your right to chose then you wouldnt end up with a shitty meal. But you didnt care.
Also, by majority I meant voting majority: those that actually DO care and DO exercise their right to vote. |
While I agree the majority of voters somehow ended up voting for Shrub, I was only asking for a better defintieion of what you meant by majority, which i see you have provided. But my points are not immaterial because while some non-voters may not have cared eitehr way about the two bad choices they could have had for president, they may find that they DO care about some of the idiot decisions made afterward. So their opinions will need to count at some point. Given this, when one crituques Americans as a whole for electing an idiot, I agree, but to say the majority agree with him now is not necessarily accurate. Thats all i am pointing out. |
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frenchlover1999
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Mar 21, 2006 - 11:17 AM |
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...and in an instant this thread becomes polarized. It could have been an intelligent discussion.
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How so? This thread started with "**** USA". I raised the debate to a brand-new level: it is not about bad Bush or incompetent Bush (or Rummy). They are in fact doing very well in achieving their goals. There lies the true debate. |
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frenchlover1999
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Mar 21, 2006 - 11:20 AM |
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Amazing to see how people critizing the world's most successful democracy - the same model we want to impose all over the world - saying it doesnt work etc. You would prefer the US to be ran by an elightened elite, like say China? |
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lancesidecar
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Mar 21, 2006 - 11:29 AM |
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Wasn't referring to you, FL. Some flawed logic here. You actually make some good arguments when you clarify yourself. |
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acujerjer
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Mar 21, 2006 - 12:08 PM |
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HC:
"By definition a Democracy represents the wishes of the majority of the people, so, Bush DOES represent the wishes of the majority of the americans.
Otherwise he wouldnt have been elected would him?"
and you claim to be intelligent?
First of all, Bush won by 51% of the people who voted. He had 2% more than Kerry. Not only that, only 60% of eligible voters voted. Not only that, Kerry sucked too. Saying Bush represents America is retarded. How dumb! Plus, different regions vote differently. America is not a tiny little island. What a lame post that was HC! |
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acujerjer
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Mar 21, 2006 - 12:12 PM |
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Lancisdair:
"...and in an instant this thread becomes polarized. It could have been an intelligent discussion."
Intelligent discussions can only occur with intelligent people. Anyone that can't see that Bush only represents one aspect of America is entirely ignorant. America, a nation made up of every nationality and culture and wide range of differences. Again, he won by 2% over Kerry. That is not a majority. |
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LifeMage
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Mar 21, 2006 - 12:20 PM |
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Who fuels the war machine?
The war in Iraq is estimated to cost more than $700 billion dollars. ($5.6 billion per month.)
When broken down, each american has paid $727 to the effort so far.
taxes are the 'rubber stamp' of approval. |
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