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frenchlover1999
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Joined: Sep 18, 2004
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Posted: May 18, 2006 - 10:38 AM
Post subject: Video released: no plane crashed into the Pentagon!

The crime of the century.

Have you seen the Americans finally released some of the videos of the explosions at the Pentagon on September 11, 2001? Hillarious how they are showing it on all the mainstream news channels with comments such as "we can see the airplane". They usually add red arrows and circles highlighting some blurr area.

Actually the video proves one thing: we cannot see any airplane crashing on the Pentagon.

hammerforlife
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Joined: May 24, 2004
Posts: 2701

Posted: May 18, 2006 - 10:58 AM

At 500km/hour what do you expect to see, the kidnappers waving? At that speed the plane was doing 140m/second.

Anyway the post was only written to keep up your "ooohhh its all a conspiracy theory" personna.

Magnolia
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Joined: June 01, 2004
Posts: 31071

Posted: May 18, 2006 - 11:01 AM

These people may beg to differ.

Flight 77
Crew
Charles F. Burlingame III 51 Herndon, Va. captain American Airlines
David M. Charlebois 39 Washington, D.C. first officer American Airlines
Michele M. Heidenberger 57 Chevy Chase, Md. flight attendant American Airlines
Jennifer Lewis 38 Culpeper, Va. flight attendant American Airlines
Kenneth E. Lewis 49 Culpeper, Va. flight attendant American Airlines
Renee A. May 39 Baltimore, Md. flight attendant American Airlines

Passengers
Paul W. Ambrose 32 Washington, D.C. senior clinical adviser Office of the Surgeon General
Yeneneh Betru 35 Burbank, Calif. director of medical affairs IPC
Mary Jane (MJ) Booth 64 Falls Church, Va. secretary American Airlines
Bernard Curtis Brown II 11 Washington, D.C. student Leckie Elementary School (Washington)
Suzanne M. Calley 42 San Martin, Calif. strategic marketing Cisco Systems Inc.
William E. Caswell 54 Silver Spring, Md. physicist U.S. Navy
Sara M. Clark 65 Columbia, Md. sixth-grade teacher Backus Middle School (Washington)
Asia S. Cottom 11 Washington, D.C. student Backus Middle School (Washington)
James Daniel Debeuneure 58 Upper Marlboro, Md. fifth-grade teacher Ketcham Elementary School (Washington)
Rodney Dickens 11 Washington, D.C. student Ketcham Elementary School (Washington)
Eddie A. Dillard Alexandria, Va. retired marketing manager Philip Morris
Charles A. Droz III 52 Springfield, Va. vice president for software development EM Solutions Inc.
Barbara G. Edwards 58 Las Vegas, Nev. teacher Palo Verde High School
Charles S. Falkenberg 45 University Park, Md. research director ECOlogic Corp.
Dana Falkenberg 3 University Park, Md.
Zoe Falkenberg 8 University Park, Md.
James Joseph Ferguson 39 Washington, D.C. educational outreach director National Geographic Society
Darlene E. Flagg 63 Millwood, Va. housewife
Wilson F. Flagg 63 Millwood, Va. retired Navy Admiral and pilot American Airlines
Richard P. Gabriel Sr. 54 Great Falls, Va. managing partner Stratin Consulting
Ian J. Gray 55 Columbia, Md. president McBee Associates
Stanley R. Hall 68 Rancho Palos Verdes, Calif. director of program management Raytheon Co.
Bryan C. Jack 48 Alexandria, Va. budget analyst/director of the programming and fiscal economics division Defense Department
Ann C. Judge 49 Great Falls, Va. travel officer manager National Geographic Society
Chandler R. Keller 29 El Segundo, Calif. propulsion engineer Boeing Co.
Yvonne E. Kennedy 62 Sydney New South Wales, Australia retired, Australian Red Cross, Australian
Norma Cruz Khan 45 Reston, Va. manager of member services Plumbing-Heating-Cooling Contractors-National Association
Karen Ann Kincaid 40 Washington, D.C. lawyer Wiley Rein & Fielding (Washington)
Dong Chul Lee 48 Leesburg, Va. engineer Boeing Co.
Dora Marie Menchaca 45 Santa Monica, Calif. associate director of clinical research Amgen Inc.
Christopher C. Newton 38 Ashburn, Va. executive WorkLife Benefits
Barbara K. Olson 45 Great Falls, Va. TV commentator author and lawyer
Ruben S. Ornedo 39 Los Angeles, Calif. propulsion engineer Boeing Co.
Robert Penninger 63 Poway, Calif. electrical engineer BAE Systems
Robert R. Ploger III 59 Annandale, Va. software architect Lockheed Martin Corp.
Zandra F. Ploger 48 Annandale, Va.
Lisa J. Raines 42 Great Falls, Va. senior vice president Genzyme Corp.
Todd H. Reuben 40 Potomac, Md. tax and business lawyer Venable, Baetjer, Howard & Civiletti
John P. Sammartino 37 Annandale, Va. technical manager XonTech Inc.
Diane M. Simmons Great Falls, Va. Xerox retiree
George W. Simmons Great Falls, Va. retired manager of sales training Xerox
Mari-Rae Sopper 35 Santa Barbara, Calif. women's gymnastics coach UC Santa Barbara
Robert Speisman 47 Irvington, N.Y. executive vice president Lazar Kaplan International
Norma Lang Steuerle 54 Alexandria, Va. clinical psychologist
Hilda E. Taylor 62 Forestville, Md. sixth-grade teacher Leckie Elementary School (Washington)
Leonard E. Taylor 44 Reston, Va. technical group manager XonTech Inc.
Sandra D. Teague 31 Fairfax, Va. physical therapist Georgetown University Hospital
Leslie A. Whittington 45 University Park, Md. professor Georgetown University
John D. Yamnicky Sr. 71 Waldorf, Md. defense contractor Veridian Corp.
Vicki C. Yancey 43 Springfield, Va. defense contractor Vredenburg Co.
Shuyin Yang 61 Beijing, China retired pediatrician Chinese
Yuguang Zheng 65 Beijing, China retired chemist Chinese

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frenchlover1999
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Posted: May 18, 2006 - 11:20 AM

The last two statements do not prove in any way that this airplane crashed into the Pentagon. The conspiracy theory is not the one you think.

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Henry_Chinaski
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Posted: May 18, 2006 - 11:20 AM

Stanley R. Hall 68 Rancho Palos Verdes, Calif. director of program management Raytheon Co.
Ruben S. Ornedo 39 Los Angeles, Calif. propulsion engineer Boeing Co.
Robert Penninger 63 Poway, Calif. electrical engineer BAE Systems
Robert R. Ploger III 59 Annandale, Va. software architect Lockheed Martin Corp.

There is some sublime irony in this. They were probably going for meetings in the Pentagon to sell a load of weapons, to bomb the same folks that in the end killed them.

That's a movie right there for you.

Magnolia
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Posted: May 18, 2006 - 11:27 AM

or perhaps these people who were in the building would have been able to shed some light on it.

Spc. Craig Amundson, 28, Fort Belvoir, Virginia
multimedia illustrator for deputy chief of staff of personnel, U.S. Army
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Melissa Rose Barnes, 27, Redlands, California
yeoman second class, U.S. Navy
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

(Retired) Master Sgt. Max Beilke, 69, Laurel, Maryland
civilian employee, U.S. Army
Reported missing, Pentagon, at/in building

Kris Romeo Bishundat, 23, Waldorf, Maryland
information systems technician second class, U.S. Navy
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Carrie Blagburn, 48, Temple Hills, Maryland
civilian budget analyst, U.S. Army
Reported missing, Pentagon, at/in building

Lt. Col. Canfield D. Boone, 54, Clifton, Virginia
U.S. Army
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Donna Bowen, 42
Pentagon communications representative, Verizon Communications
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Allen Boyle, 30, Fredericksburg, Virginia
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Christopher Lee Burford, 23, Hubert, N.C.
electronics technician third class, U.S. Navy
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Daniel Martin Caballero, 21, Houston, Texas
electronics technician third class, U.S. Navy
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Sgt. First Class Jose Calderon, 44, Puerto Rico
U.S. Army
Reported missing, Pentagon, at/in building

Angelene C. Carter, 51, Forrestville, Maryland
accountant, U.S. Army
Reported missing, Pentagon, at/in building

Sharon Carver, 38, Waldorf, Maryland
civilian employee, U.S. Army
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

John J. Chada, 55, Manassas, Virginia
civilian employee, U.S. Army
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Rosa Maria (Rosemary) Chapa, 64, Springfield, Virginia
civilian employee, Defense Intelligence Agency
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Julian Cooper, 39, Springdale, Maryland
Navy contractor
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Lt. Cmdr. Eric Allen Cranford, 32, Drexel, North Carolina
U.S. Navy
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Ada Davis, 57, Camp Springs, Maryland
civilian employee, U.S. Army
Reported missing, Pentagon, at/in building

Capt. Gerald Francis Deconto, 44, Sandwich, Massachusetts
director of current operations and plans, U.S. Navy
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Lt. Col. Jerry Don Dickerson, 41, Durant, Mississippi
U.S. Army
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Johnnie Doctor, 32, Jacksonville, Florida
information systems technician first class, U.S. Navy
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Capt. Robert Edward Dolan, 43, Florham Park, New Jersey
head of strategy and concepts branch, U.S. Navy
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Cmdr. William Howard Donovan, 37, Nunda, New York
U.S. Navy
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Cmdr. Patrick S. Dunn, 39, Fords, New Jersey
surface warfare officer, U.S. Navy
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Edward Thomas Earhart, 26, Salt Lick, Kentucky
aerographer's mate first class, U.S. Navy
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Lt. Cmdr. Robert Randolph Elseth, 37, Vestal, New York
U.S. Navy
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Jamie Lynn Fallon, 23, Woodbridge, Virginia
storekeeper third class, U.S. Navy
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Amelia V. Fields, 36, Dumfries, Virginia
civilian employee, U.S. Army
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Gerald P. Fisher, 57, Potomac, Maryland
Booz-Allen & Hamilton Inc.
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Matthew Michael Flocco, 21, Newark, Delaware
aerographer's mate second class, U.S. Navy
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Sandra N. Foster, 41, Clinton, Maryland
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Capt. Lawrence Daniel Getzfred, 57, Elgin, Nebraska
U.S. Navy
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Cortz Ghee, 54, Reisterstown, Maryland
civilian employee, U.S. Army
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Brenda C. Gibson, 59, Falls Church, Virginia
civilian employee, U.S. Army
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Ron Golinski, 60, Columbia, Maryland
civilian employee, U.S. Army
Reported missing, Pentagon, at/in building

Diane M. Hale-McKinzy, 38, Alexandria, Virginia
civilian employee, U.S. Army
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Carolyn B. Halmon, 49, Washington, D.C.
budget analyst, U.S. Army
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Sheila Hein, 51, University Park, Maryland
civilian employee, U.S. Army
Reported missing, Pentagon, at/in building

Ronald John Hemenway, 37, Shawnee, Kansas
electronics technician first class, U.S. Navy
Reported missing, Pentagon, at/in building

Maj. Wallace Cole Hogan, 40, Florida
U.S. Army
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Jimmie Ira Holley, 54, Lanham, Maryland
accountant
Reported missing, Pentagon, at/in building

Angela Houtz, 27, La Plata, Maryland
civilian employee, U.S. Navy
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Brady K. Howell, 26, Arlington, Virginia
management intern for chief of intelligence, U.S. Navy
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Peggie Hurt, 36, Crewe, Virginia
accountant, U.S. Army
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Lt. Col. Stephen Neil Hyland, 45, Burke, Virginia
personnel issues, U.S. Army
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Robert J. Hymel, Woodbridge, Virginia
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Sgt. Maj. Lacey B. Ivory, 43, Woodbridge, Virginia
U.S. Army
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Lt. Col. Dennis M. Johnson, 48, Port Edwards, Wisconsin
U.S. Army
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Judith Jones, 53, Woodbridge, Virginia
civilian employee, U.S. Navy
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Brenda Kegler, 49, Washington, D.C.
budget analyst, U.S. Army
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Lt. Michael Scott Lamana, 31, Baton Rouge, Louisiana
U.S. Navy
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

David W. Laychak, 40, Manassas, Virginia
civilian budget analyst, U.S. Army
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Samantha Lightbourn-Allen, 36, Hillside, Maryland
budget analyst, U.S. Army
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Maj. Steve Long, 39, Georgia
U.S. Army
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

James Lynch, 55, Manassas, Virginia
civilian employee, U.S. Navy
Reported missing, Pentagon, at/in building

Terrance M. Lynch, 49, Alexandria, Virginia
consultant, Booz-Allen & Hamilton Inc.
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Nehamon Lyons, 30, Mobile, Alabama
operations specialist second class, U.S. Navy
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Shelley A. Marshall, 37, Marbury, Maryland
budget analyst, Defense Intelligence Agency
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Teresa Martin, 45, Stafford, Virginia
civilian employee, U.S. Army
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Ada L. Mason, 50, Springfield, Virginia
civilian employee, U.S. Army
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Lt. Col. Dean E. Mattson, 57, California
U.S. Army
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Lt. Gen. Timothy J. Maude, 53, Fort Myer, Virginia
deputy chief of staff for personnel, U.S. Army
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Robert J. Maxwell, 53, Manassas, Virginia
civilian employee, U.S. Army
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Molly McKenzie, 38, Dale City, Virginia
civilian employee, U.S. Army
Reported missing, Pentagon, at/in building

Patricia E. (Patti) Mickley, 41, Springfield, Virginia
financial manager, Defense Department
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Maj. Ronald D. Milam, 33, Washington, D.C.
assistant to the Secretary, U.S. Army
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Gerard (Jerry) P. Moran, 39, Upper Marlboro, Maryland
engineering contractor, U.S. Navy
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Odessa V. Morris, 54, Upper Marlboro, Maryland
budget analyst, U.S. Army
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Brian Anthony Moss, 34, Sperry, Oklahoma
electronics technician second class, U.S. Navy
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Ted Moy, 48, Silver Spring, Maryland
civilian employee, U.S. Army
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Lt. Cmdr. Patrick Jude Murphy, 38, Flossmoor, Illinois
U.S. Navy
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Khang Nguyen, 41, Fairfax, Virginia
Navy contractor
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Michael Allen Noeth, 30, New York, New York
illustrator/draftsman second class, U.S. Navy
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Diana B. Padro, 55, Woodbridge, Virginia
civilian employee, U.S. Army
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Spc. Chin Sun Pak, 25, Oklahoma
U.S. Army
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Lt. Jonas Martin Panik, 26, Mingoville, Pennsylvania
U.S. Navy
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Maj. Clifford L. Patterson, 33, Alexandria, Virginia
U.S. Army
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Lt. J.G. Darin Howard Pontell, 26, Columbia, Maryland
U.S. Navy
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Scott Powell, 35, Silver Spring, Maryland
BTG Inc.
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

(Retired) Capt. Jack Punches, 51, Clifton, Virginia
civilian employee, U.S. Navy
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Joseph John Pycior, 39, Carlstadt, New Jersey
aviation warfare systems operator first class, U.S. Navy
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Deborah Ramsaur, 45, Annandale, Virginia
civilian employee, U.S. Army
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Rhonda Rasmussen, 44, Woodbridge, Virginia
civilian employee, U.S. Army
Reported missing, Pentagon, at/in building

Marsha Dianah Ratchford, 34, Prichard, Alabama
information systems technician first class, U.S. Navy
Reported missing, Pentagon, at/in building

Martha Reszke, 36, Stafford, Virginia
budget analyst, U.S. Army
Reported missing, Pentagon, at/in building

Cecelia E. Richard, 41, Fort Washington, Maryland
accounting technician, U.S. Army
Reported missing, Pentagon, at/in building

Edward V. Rowenhorst, 32, Lake Ridge, Virginia
civilian employee, U.S. Army
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Judy Rowlett, 44, Woodbridge, Virginia
civilian employee, U.S. Army
Reported missing, Pentagon, at/in building

Robert E. Russell, 52, Oxon Hill, Maryland
civilian budgetary supervisor, U.S. Army
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

William R. Ruth, 57, Maryland
Chief Warrant Officer 4th Class, U.S. Army
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Charles E. Sabin, 54, Burke, Virginia
civilian employee, Defense Department
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Marjorie C. Salamone, 53, Springfield, Virginia
budget program analyst, U.S. Army
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Lt. Col. David M. Scales, 45, Cleveland, Ohio
U.S. Army
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Cmdr. Robert Allan Schlegel, 38, Gray, Maine
U.S. Navy
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Janice Scott, 46, Springfield, Virginia
civilian employee, U.S. Army
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Michael L. Selves, 53, Fairfax, Virginia
information management support center director, U.S. Army
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Marian Serva, 47, Stafford, Virginia
civilian employee, U.S. Army
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Cmdr. Dan Frederic Shanower, 40, Naperville, Illinois
U.S. Navy
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Antoinette Sherman, 35, Forest Heights, Maryland
budget analyst, U.S. Army
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Don Simmons, 58, Dumfries, Virginia
civilian employee, U.S. Army
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Cheryle D. Sincock, 53, Dale City, Virginia
administrative assistant, U.S. Army
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Gregg Harold Smallwood, 44, Overland Park, Kansas
chief information systems technician, U.S. Navy
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

(Retired) Lt. Col. Gary F. Smith, 55, Alexandria, Virginia
civilian employee, U.S. Army
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Patricia J. Statz, 41, Takoma Park, Maryland
civilian employee, U.S. Army
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Edna L. Stephens, 53, Washington, D.C.
budget analyst, U.S. Army
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Sgt. Maj. Larry Strickland, 52, Woodbridge, Virginia
senior adviser on personnel issues to the Joint Chiefs of Staff, U.S. Army
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Maj. Kip P. Taylor, 38, McLean, Virginia
adjutant general's corps, U.S. Army
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Sandra Taylor, 50, Alexandria, Virginia
civilian employee, U.S. Army
Reported missing, Pentagon, at/in building

Karl W. Teepe, Centreville, Virginia
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Sgt. Tamara Thurman, 25, Brewton, Alabama
classified employee, U.S. Army
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Lt. Cmdr. Otis Vincent Tolbert, 38, Lemoore, California
U.S. Navy
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Willie Q. Troy, 51, Aberdeen Proving Ground, Maryland
civilian employee, U.S. Army
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Lt. Cmdr. Ronald James Vauk, 37, Nampa, Idaho
watch commander, U.S. Navy
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Lt. Col. Karen Wagner, 40, Texas
U.S. Army
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Meta Waller, 60, Alexandria, Virginia
civilian employee, U.S. Army
Reported missing, Pentagon, at/in building

Staff Sgt. Maudlyn A. White, 38, St. Croix, Virgin Islands
U.S. Army
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Sandra L. White, 44, Dumfries, Virginia
civilian employee, U.S. Army
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Ernest M. Willcher, 62, North Potomac, Maryland
Booz-Allen & Hamilton Inc.
Reported dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Lt. Cmdr. David Lucian Williams, 32, Newport, Oregon
U.S. Navy
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Maj. Dwayne Williams, 40, Jacksonville, Alabama
U.S. Army
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Marvin Woods, 58, Great Mills, Maryland
Navy contractor,
Reported missing, Pentagon, at/in building

Kevin Wayne Yokum, 27, Lake Charles, Louisiana
information systems technician second class, U.S. Navy
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Donald McArthur Young, 41, Roanoke, Virginia
chief information systems technician, U.S. Navy
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Edmond Young, 22, Owings, Maryland
BTG Inc.
Confirmed dead, Pentagon, at/in building

Lisa Young, 36, Germantown, Maryland
civilian employee, U.S. Army
Reported missing, Pentagon, at/in building

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frenchlover1999
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Posted: May 18, 2006 - 11:36 AM

Does anyone know how large a Boeing 757-200 is?

I tell you:

Basic Dimensions
Wing span 124 ft 10 in (38.05 m)
Overall Length 155 ft 3 in (47.32 m)
Tail Height 44 ft 6 in (13.6 m)
Interior Cabin Width 11 ft 7 in (3.5 m)
Body Exterior Width 12 ft 4 in (3.7 m)

Unlike the list posted by Magnolia, these specs wont make anyone cry. See how propaganda works?

I suggest everyone go look at the videos.

frenchlover1999
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Posted: May 18, 2006 - 11:38 AM

Mr Bush's Magic Airplane, that would make a good song

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hammerforlife
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Posted: May 18, 2006 - 11:41 AM

Go on then, I'll bite. What is your theory of what the Pentagon explosion was all about?

I tend to side with Magnolia myself, its not really a matter for lighthearted discussion.

frenchlover1999
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Posted: May 18, 2006 - 11:53 AM

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its not really a matter for lighthearted discussion.

Indeed, it is not. Not only a few Americans died, but many more are now dying in the Middle East, plus all the illegal prisoners, as a direct result of 9/11.

The first thing is to go and look at the video. I dont know exactly what happened at the Pentagon or in New York. Two things are clear though: 1. no Boeing 747-200 crashed into the Pentagon, 2. the WTC towers destruction, that looked a lot like a classical demolition, remains unexplained.

My personal feeling is whoever did this (NOT "Al Qaida") did it with the sincere hope of bringing peace to the world, serving God or the people, improving national security or something along those lines. Not a devilish scheme for more oil and money, though oil and money certainly have a role to play in achieving some of these goals.

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hammerforlife
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Posted: May 18, 2006 - 11:59 AM

So to summarise, from your last paragraph, you think this was carried out by some US government sponsored body for the reasons you mention.

However one of your reasons for saying this was that in your first post you think there was never a plane involved. So where are all the people that died that Mags listed? Or do you think that all these people were ficticious too?

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Posted: May 18, 2006 - 12:02 PM

I'm not trying to side with FL here but what did happen to all the wreckage of the plane. Have a look at the pictures of the Pentagon after vit was hit. Where are the plane's wings and fuselage? They're not there. I know a pilot in Shanghai and he was the first to mention it to me. It odd to say the least.

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Posted: May 18, 2006 - 12:04 PM

Of course I dont have the answer to that. How could I have? But please apply some logicial thinking here. The plane and its passengers dissapeared - at least as far as the public is concerned. That is a fact. It still doesnt mean it crashed into the Pentagon. Same for WTC. 2 planes did crash into the towers. The towers collapsed, but it doesnt mean the crash caused it.

As for your:

Quote:

So to summarise, from your last paragraph, you think this was carried out by some US government sponsored body for the reasons you mention.

Have you ever thought that maybe it was the US government that was sponsored by another entity?

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Posted: May 18, 2006 - 12:05 PM

Whoever did what we will most probably never know. What we do know is that it was a very convenient opportunity to start a few wars, and de-stabilize a whole region.
Hitler had somebody set fire to the Reichstag in order to have an excuse to go after the communists. Different times, different methods, same goals.

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Posted: May 18, 2006 - 12:06 PM

Scott_Weiland wrote:

From my opinion as an engineer, and I do try to keep as open a mind as possible, planes are built of aluminium mainly and are kept as light as possible. At that speed pretty much everything would have been shredded into tiny pieces, after all the Pentagon is a damn solid building, nothing like the World Trade Center. The only items with any weight are the engines. From the (disputed) video you can see the fireball move inside the building and that probably followed the path of the engines.

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Posted: May 18, 2006 - 12:09 PM

Quote:

I'm not trying to side with FL

Ah ah. Political correctness. Apologize first, then speak. For more impact, I suggest next time you also pay respects to the Jews for what happened to them during the "Holocaust", the Greatest of All Crimes.

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Posted: May 18, 2006 - 12:11 PM

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Pentagon is a damn solid building, nothing like the World Trade Center

Good one.

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From the (disputed) video you can see the fireball move inside the building and that probably followed the path of the engines.

Did you know the firefighters seem to have used water to stop the fire? What does an engineer think of that?

(Yes, of course I am an engineer as well)

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Posted: May 18, 2006 - 12:14 PM

The reason i apologised first is because you do have a reputation for being a crackpot with some mental issues.

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Posted: May 18, 2006 - 12:16 PM

frenchlover1999 wrote:

Did you know the firefighters seem to have used water to stop the fire? What does an engineer think of that?

(Yes, of course I am an engineer as well)

Yes I know you are an engineer.

To use water to stop the fire, if it is true, is obviously a bad idea with aviation fuel. However two points. Firstly did the firefighters know what caused the fire? It is not inconceivable that they didn't initially if everything was indeed shredded. Secondly I would guess that the pentagon may even have had its own firefighting unit. It is unlikely that they would have been geared up for a plane crash.

Even way it doesn't support the conspiracy arguement much by itself.

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Posted: May 18, 2006 - 12:17 PM

Scott_Weiland wrote:

The reason i apologised first is because you do have a reputation for being a crackpot with some mental issues.

That's a damn poor excuse. Everyone on this particular thread is a crackpot.

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Posted: May 18, 2006 - 12:20 PM

Ok fair enough, you got me there.

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Posted: May 18, 2006 - 12:52 PM

didn't we have this very same conversation recently on another thread?

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Posted: May 18, 2006 - 01:18 PM

You are right fl the plane didn't directly crash into the pentagon. It hit the ground first. Well planned I think so you could have fodder to spew. The security cameras were not able to give us a good enough view to shut your face, but the confirmation from my acquaintences who worked there and the eye witness reports certainly out weigh your pathetic attempt to rewrite history.
Sometimes, when individuals try to stir up controversy, they inadvertantly, or on purpose, open old wounds. May you never have to remember the smell of burning flesh or move out of the way of bodies dropping around you. I am blessed not to havethose experiences but deal with some who have. I bet you think Iraq people are intentionally blowing themselves up for your entertainment too.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ppfinal.html

The "Pod People" And The Plane
That Crashed Into the Pentagon

Right now, government shills are working hard to trick web sites into running the claim that a passenger jet did not really hit the Pentagon.
This is an old intelligence trick called "Poisoning the well", the intentional promotion of lies to blend with an embarrassing truth to discredit it. The government shills are trying to conceal real news stories such as the Israeli Spy Ring and its connections to the attacks on the World Trade Towers. So, we get hoax stories poured onto the net by government propagandists, to be used by the media to attack the credibility of anyone who dares doubt the official story.

At some point in the near future, photographs, or video will be "discovered" clearly showing the impact, and the mainstream media will have a field day ridiculing those "kooky Internet web sites" and their "silly conspiracy theories", all based on a silly theory the government is itself planting on the web.

But if you think about it, common sense tells you their claims are just plain silly. After all, if the passenger jet didn't hit the Pentagon, then where did it go? And since the people behind 9-11 had to get rid of the passenger jet and its contents anyway, there was no reason for them NOT to ram it into the Pentagon. Why risk a swap? Why complicate matters even further?

Lately, in their efforts to plant more bogus information on the web for the media to use to ridicule doubters of the official story, the shills have used over-processed and blurry photos of the 9-11 planes to claim that they carried "pods" on the outside (which the ground crews at all the airports somehow never noticed). For that reason, the government shills have come to be known as the 9-11 "Pod People".

In response to the question of "where is the wreckage of the plane", the answer is that much of the wreckage slid into the ground floor of the Pentagon. It slid INTO the building, into the first floor space, starting a fire in the first floor, whereupon the upper floors later collapsed down onto the remains of the aircraft. Most of the aircraft wreckage is therefore under the collapsed roof section in the photo.
So where is the rest of the wreckage from the passenger plane? Right in plain view, for those who actually look.

Click for larger image of the damage to Pentagon

In the above copy of the wide area view, a red rectangle marks an area to be examined. This area appears below.

Yet here is a pile of crumpled aluminum debris, and clearly seen mixed in with it are pieces of luggage. Since the Pentagon itself does not travel, we can conclude that the luggage (and the aluminum shards mixed with them) are part of the remains of the passenger jet which hit the Pentagon.
In similar crashes, the resulting debris was in small pieces, 6 feet long at most. You don't SEE huge pieces of airplane sitting at crash sites in head on collisions such as slamming into the wall of the Pentagon. Despite their impressive size, aircraft and relatively fragile objects due to weight considerations.

THE POD PEOPLE'S CARTOON WORLD

Only in Warner Brothers cartoons does the Coyote leave a cookie-cutter outline of himself as he crashes into the rock face. In the real world (someplace that the "pod people" need to spend more time in) collisions are more complex. Airplanes do not make clean outline holes in buildings they collide with any more than cars make clean outline holes in walls they collide with. The Pentagon, built mostly of wood and concrete, and in that one section having been recently reinforced, is a heavy and solid object. Jet aircraft, designed to be able to fly, are very thin and lightweight. They are, if you think about it, mostly filled with air, like an aluminum balloon. They are not designed to penetrate other objects or to remain intact while doing so.

Take a glass Christmas ornament and hurl it against a brick wall. Do you get a round opening in the brick wall the size of the ornament? No, of course not. Neither will an aluminum plane leave a clean outline of itself crashing into concrete. In the case of the plane, there are subassemblies which are heavy and solid, such as the engines, the frames supporting the landing gear, cockpit avionics, the potable water tanks, APU, etc. On impact, these would break loose from the aircraft and continuing forward, produce smaller holes.

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Posted: May 18, 2006 - 01:35 PM

The beginning was good, with the tears and all that. Many are dying in the Middle East and many are still being tortured, right now, by people like you.

The last sentence was good too: where are the holes made by the enginers? Anyway, where is the plane?

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Posted: May 18, 2006 - 01:45 PM

frenchlover1999 wrote:

The only reason you keep bringing up the Holocaust and have issues with it is because you wish Hitler completed his Final Solution. You hate Jews and you wish everyone was slaughtered, probably right in front of you eyes.

The video you talk of is so old man. I saw a video about this 2 years ago. I knew of this before you did dikwad!

There was no plane that crashed into The Pentagon, the Pennsylvania plane was shot down, and Bush let the whole 9-11 thing happen to fulfill his agenda.It isn't rocket science. Go into any bookstore in america and there are loads of literature about it. You didn't discover anything new Frenchdik! I even believe its possible the planes that hit the Towers were remote control. Flying a jet is not like driving a car. It seems almost impossible to just hit a building at will at 350 mph.

You're a tosser Fenchdik, but I feel sorry for you. You haver all these conspiracy theories and noone to share them with stuck in China.

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