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| Talking about sects, haven't you wondered (I bet you havent, as you havent been prompted by the big media to do you) why we don't hear so much anymore about the Raelian sect who was doing research on cloning? And why this coincides with the demise, echoed in all media, of a world-reknown Korean scientist wotking on the same subject? Plus the recent wave of legalizing homosexual marriage and adoption, obviously just the beginning. But you haven't wondered, so lets not talk about it. |
WTF?! You mean to tell me that you are referencing Raelians to support your theories? As open minded as I try to be, I kinda felt that the validity of their claims was called into question when the flying saucers that were supposed to descend on the Midwest and ferry them off to their home planet didn't show up on the appointed date.
I'll cut and paste an article about the Raelians (from Time Magazine-admittedly "Big Media") for those of you who are not familiar with the movement. You can also link to it yourself at http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,404175,00.html
Saturday, Jan. 04, 2003
Who Are the Raelians?
The news of a second "cloned" baby has piqued further interest in this tiny, controversial sect. One member speaks out
By ANNE BERRYMAN
Saturday morning, Clonaid, a company founded by a religious group called Raelians, announced the birth of a second "cloned" baby, this time in Europe. The news comes just days after the sect's first claim of a successful clone, and has sparked worldwide skepticism — and intense curiosity: who are the Raelians and what do they believe? TIME's Anne Berryman spoke to Raelian Damien Marsic, a Frenchman now living in the U.S.
Twenty years ago Damien Marsic, then 18 and living in Nancy, France, doubted Raelian views. "When I first heard about it, I thought how can people believe such strange things!" he says. Now the 38-year-old University of Alabama at Huntsville doctoral student is a true believer and is even preparing to become a Raelian "guide," or priest.
The turning point came for Marsic after a Raelian friend loaned him "The Final Message," the book written by the movement抯 French founder, Rael. Formerly known as Claude Vorilhon, Rael reportedly claims to have been taken up in a spaceship by a 4-foot-tall, green-skinned, long-haired, oval-eyed alien who directed him to write a book revealing the identities of the aliens as the creators of human beings. The aliens reportedly called him Rael.
Even if Marsic had doubts, Rael抯 work "was like a calling," he said. He spent "a few months analyzing it in detail" and questioning, a practice which is encouraged by the Raelian movement. "I had been told that evolution was a fact and that life on earth appeared by itself." But "if evolution is true, how can it be that life can be created by extraterrestrials?" he asked. With further exploration, Marsic says he discovered other scientists who do not believe in evolution and with even further investigation, he "only found confirmation that 憈he message?is true."
"I really think that this book was given to mankind by extraterrestrial people," Marsic says. Raelians call the extraterrestrial creators Elohim, a Biblical term, but the Rael movement is "an atheistic religion," with "no God, no supernatural," says Marsic. Even so, "we have a spiritual teaching. We believe in love and nonviolence and, as Raelians, we always try to improve ourselves, to raise our level of consciousness. We hope to contribute to make the earth a better place."
"At the same time, we believe in infinity — no beginning, no end," he says. The universe, to Raelians, was always in existence and "there is life in infinity in different places of this universe."
"What do you think is going to happen on earth in this decade?" asks Marsic. "We will be able to travel to new solar systems and discover new planets." As scientific advances increase, humans, like the Elohim, "will be able to design new organisms from scratch," he says. "I抦 sure some day some people from earth will go to another planet and create new life."
The Elohim "are not gods," but beings, "like we are," says Marsic. The difference is that the Elohim have a "higher wisdom level."
"And we are going to become like them," Marsic adds. Significantly, Raelians see the Elohim as benevolent beings, devoid of aggression. The question of aggression is addressed in Raelian philosophy, which holds that creatures who are so advanced that they can create life forms will have overcome war-like emotions that would eventually destroy civilizations.
Aggression is caused by a form of emotional oppression, according to Marsic. If human beings are better educated and allowed to "liberate themselves from their feelings of fear or being guilty," believe the Raelians who oppose war, they will not become aggressive or wish to dominate one another.
Marsic says he knows little of Clonaid, except that it was founded by Rael. He says he does not know the names of any investors or how the organization is funded. He believes that Raelian dues pay no salaries within the movement or in the company, but, instead, go toward advertising speakers on the Raelian movement or for operating educational booths, like the one open recently at a holistic expo in Atlanta. He says dues begin at $150 per Raelian annually, although members can pay more if they wish.
Marsic sees Clonaid抯 announcement that a baby has been successfully cloned as "a great thing. It抯 important in the symbolic point of view. It shows," Marsic says, "that we should not be afraid of science, but we should welcome science" like the world welcomes a newborn baby. Cloning a human baby is "not playing God," he says. "Rael likes to do exactly the opposite of that which some religious leaders do. We are very progressive and we oppose all the traditions that make people feel guilty."
"We support the right for everybody to live the way they want to live," he says. "Human cloning is just another reproductive option. As Raelians, we believe that science should not be stopped or should not be slowed down because science is what is helping mankind to progress."
Beyond cloning, Raelians are deeply interested in finding the technology to prolong life, which they believe will happen by transferring the contents of the brain into another brain with a new body, according to Marsic. "This is science fiction for now," he admits. But if it ever became a reality, human beings could live longer, perhaps eternally.
While Raelians do not believe in the eternal life of the soul, they do believe that the Elohim抯 scientific advancements have allowed them to provide eternal life to a relatively few individuals, including Jesus and Mohammad, who live with other worthy human beings on another planet. When Rael wrote his message, he claimed that there only 8,400 individuals deemed worthy enough to live on this planet, Marsic says. While it is believed that Mother Theresa and Gandhi have passed muster, most others will not be so lucky.
"That抯 why our philosophy of enjoying each moment is important," Marsic says. The Raelians are neither secretive nor evangelical. They would, however, like to get the word out for the good of mankind, according to Marsic. They frequently send out press releases concerning their activities, but they have received little coverage compared to the recent interest that the Clonaid announcement aroused.
The Raelians?"final goal" is "to prepare" mankind "for an official encounter with the extraterrestrials," a meeting, which Marsic describes as likely to be the most important event in human history."
"As Raelians, we are very concerned with the future of mankind, and we would like to help to contribute to make it a better world than what it is right now," he says. "There is so much conservatism in society. We need to help people question themselves and think of other possibilities."
It would seem that being a Raelian in the Bible Belt of the Deep South could be a lonely experience, but Marsic says it is not. "Every Raelian is integrated into society," he claims. Even so, he knows of only four other Raelians in Alabama, only a handful in Georgia and none in Tennessee. He estimates that there are approximately 1,000 Raelians in the U.S., with concentrations in Florida, California, and the Northeast. Although the small Huntsville group does not schedule regular meetings, they do get together occasionally. "In each region or each city, people just organize themselves as they wish," he says.
Rigidity is not a Raelian characteristic. Individual expression is encouraged among Raelians. People wearing different types of clothing and hairstyles other than the top knot sported by Rael attend the annual U.S. "seminar" at Lake Mead in Las Vegas, Nev., each spring. The only common piece of attire is a medallion, bearing a symbol for infinity, which only some Raelians choose to wear.
Another large seminar is held in the summer in Canada, and "this is really great," Marsic says, because the "open-minded, very peaceful" gathering attracts Raelians and those interested in the movement from North America, Europe and Asia. "We talk about enjoying life and developing ourselves. We practice meditation."
"In our meditation, there is no supernatural. We don抰 believe in the soul, for example. The goal is to improve our ability to enjoy life. We are connected to the environment with our senses," he says. "This is a way to achieve a more peaceful society."
There are Raelian rituals, including baptisms and marriages. "We don抰 baptize children because it抯 always a personal choice," he says. Raelian parents are not supposed to force a belief upon their children, but offer them choices.
In a Raelian baptism, a "guide" or a Raelian priest, puts his or her hand on the forehead of the person wishing to be baptized in order to transfer the baptized person抯 "genetic information" to extraterrestrials. The ceremony can only occur between 3 and 4 p.m. "We believe at that particular time," says Marsic, "that there is some spaceship that records what is happening."
Marsic has been training for three years to become a guide. There is no formal teaching. "It抯 just a life teaching," he says. To become guides, trainees must pass the approval of Raelian bishops. There are only 25 Raelian bishops in the world, but there are approximately 150 guides in the U.S.
The Raelian marriage celebrates partnerships of people who wish to live together, with a benevolent look to future separations. "The idea is people commit themselves to keep a high level of love and harmony between them and to have the wisdom to separate before this level of harmony decreases too much," Marsic says. "So, we actually encourage divorce when people don抰 feel like being together."
A Raelian divorce is "always done in a fun way," he says. Raelian spouses have agreed "to always be nice to each other even if we don抰 want to live together anymore."
At the annual seminar in Las Vegas, Marsic saw a ritual in which the ashes of a deceased Raelian, who had been cremated, were sprinkled in a forest to demonstrate that "we are a part of the infinite." The ceremony, he says, also helped "to remind us that life is something that we should care for and that we never know how long we will live. That抯 why we should appreciate every moment we are alive." |
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It's a good career move if you think about it, lucar. Going from schizophrenic to spiritual leader... Good for Claude... I mean, Rael! |
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well to be fair 99% of shxpat members have discribed me thus
" 4-foot-tall, green-skinned, long-haired, oval-eyed alien" |
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[quote]Beyond cloning, Raelians are deeply interested in finding the technology to prolong life, which they believe will happen by transferring the contents of the brain into another brain with a new body, according to Marsic. "This is science fiction for now," he admits. But if it ever became a reality, human beings could live longer, perhaps eternally.[b]
There was a futuristic movie about this a couple of years ago with Mick Jagger, Rene Russo and Anthony Hopkins, people 'snatching' bodies from the past, just before they died untimely deaths and then transplanting their brains into the new bodies.
Man's just not meant to live forever though. Death is probably the most important part of our development as human beings. Avoiding that final destination is going against nature. |
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| he claimed that there only 8,400 individuals deemed worthy enough to live on this planet, |
I love the way these sects always have exact numbers as if it makes their bogus statistics more plausible. We humans truly are a gullible species. |
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WTF?! You mean to tell me that you are referencing Raelians to support your theories? As open minded as I try to be, I kinda felt that the validity of their claims was called into question when the flying saucers that were supposed to descend on the Midwest and ferry them off to their home planet didn't show up on the appointed date.
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First, read my post again. I am not referencing Raelians to support my theries. My post was referring to the little-known fact that US agencies have decided to collaborate with the Raelians in order to benefit from their more advanced research on cloning. Thats why we dont hear so many negative news about Rael these days... At the same time, their Korean competitor was destroyed. Now the US have the quasi monopoly on cloning research... Cloning is on the longer term agenda of the homosexual lobby, for obvious reasons. |
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"Man's just not meant to live forever though. Death is probably the most important part of our development as human beings. Avoiding that final destination is going against nature."
well thats not very nice is it? |
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lucar
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WTF?! You mean to tell me that you are referencing Raelians to support your theories? As open minded as I try to be, I kinda felt that the validity of their claims was called into question when the flying saucers that were supposed to descend on the Midwest and ferry them off to their home planet didn't show up on the appointed date.
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First, read my post again. I am not referencing Raelians to support my theries. My post was referring to the little-known fact that US agencies have decided to collaborate with the Raelians in order to benefit from their more advanced research on cloning. Thats why we dont hear so many negative news about Rael these days... At the same time, their Korean competitor was destroyed. Now the US have the quasi monopoly on cloning research... Cloning is on the longer term agenda of the homosexual lobby, for obvious reasons. |
But, you are. In your post above, you are saying that the US Gov is "collaborating with Raelians to benefit from their more advanced research on cloning." By saying that it obviously means that you believe that the Raelians actually possess advance cloning research. Look at the source bud. I love how you bismirch almost any mainstream news (simply because it is mainstream), but are so eager to accept the claims of a fringe group who believe that small green saviors with spiky hair will come to Earth in flying saucers. You crack me up pal. |
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Well, your government seem to think they possess such technology and I think they are probably right. |
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raelian press release, there is only one person deemed worthy on this planet, and that man is chuck norris. |
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WTF?! You mean to tell me that you are referencing Raelians to support your theories? As open minded as I try to be, I kinda felt that the validity of their claims was called into question when the flying saucers that were supposed to descend on the Midwest and ferry them off to their home planet didn't show up on the appointed date.
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First, read my post again. I am not referencing Raelians to support my theries. My post was referring to the little-known fact that US agencies have decided to collaborate with the Raelians in order to benefit from their more advanced research on cloning. Thats why we dont hear so many negative news about Rael these days... At the same time, their Korean competitor was destroyed. Now the US have the quasi monopoly on cloning research... Cloning is on the longer term agenda of the homosexual lobby, for obvious reasons. |
But, you are. In your post above, you are saying that the US Gov is "collaborating with Raelians to benefit from their more advanced research on cloning." By saying that it obviously means that you believe that the Raelians actually possess advance cloning research. Look at the source bud. I love how you bismirch almost any mainstream news (simply because it is mainstream), but are so eager to accept the claims of a fringe group who believe that small green saviors with spiky hair will come to Earth in flying saucers. You crack me up pal. |
That's why? It has nothing to do with the fact that they all believed a space ship was coming to pick them up and never showed? Talk about losing face...
This in not an episode of the X-Files, Agent Mulder. |
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WTF?! You mean to tell me that you are referencing Raelians to support your theories? As open minded as I try to be, I kinda felt that the validity of their claims was called into question when the flying saucers that were supposed to descend on the Midwest and ferry them off to their home planet didn't show up on the appointed date.
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First, read my post again. I am not referencing Raelians to support my theries. My post was referring to the little-known fact that US agencies have decided to collaborate with the Raelians in order to benefit from their more advanced research on cloning. Thats why we dont hear so many negative news about Rael these days... At the same time, their Korean competitor was destroyed. Now the US have the quasi monopoly on cloning research... Cloning is on the longer term agenda of the homosexual lobby, for obvious reasons. |
But, you are. In your post above, you are saying that the US Gov is "collaborating with Raelians to benefit from their more advanced research on cloning." By saying that it obviously means that you believe that the Raelians actually possess advance cloning research. Look at the source bud. I love how you bismirch almost any mainstream news (simply because it is mainstream), but are so eager to accept the claims of a fringe group who believe that small green saviors with spiky hair will come to Earth in flying saucers. You crack me up pal. |
That's why? It has nothing to do with the fact that they all believed a space ship was coming to pick them up and never showed? Talk about losing face...
This in not an episode of the X-Files, Agent Mulder. |
Shhhh... don't burst his bubble. For what they're worth, his rants against reality are pretty funny - I bet FL could make a killing writing screenplays. |
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lucar
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I know. It's pretty funny. Can't you just imagine all those synapses misfiring and all sorts of irrelevant connections being made that have some sort of earth shattering connection to him. Perhaps he's mildly autistic or has Asburger's syndrome or something.
I imagine him sitting on a roof in Brindisi (he's Italian right?) and hearing a car horn toot 3 times while a plane flies over and a bird shits on a ledge. He ponders these coincidences deeply and declares the next day that obviously (based on logic), the Pope has a secret agenda infiltrate Russia’s secret off-world colonies with Ladyboys from Thailand in order to control the flow of oil in the Middle East to pacify the Zionist big media spin doctors. |
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frenchlover1999
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That would be nice. |
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I met FL on a rooftop in Brindisi, he told me he was a carpenter, i said I was looking for my lost cat, he promised to make me a new one out of rosewood, I said "what are you, an idiot?". He then said he would take me to Miami. |
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frenchlover1999
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If I were a carpenter
and you were a lady,
Would you marry me anyway?
Would you have my baby? |
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there's a place in Shanghai that can make you lady, easier than they could make FL a carpenter |
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i cant afford it, but therse this chef in Paris, swears by the FRENCHLOVER, makes wood like uve never seen |
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ah French wood, almost as good as Norwegian wood |
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frenchlover1999
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Happened to fukuman more than once, to sleep in the bathtub I mean. |
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I met FL in a bathtub in Miami, he said he was a caprenter, I said, "but I called a plumber", he said "ah, same thing" |
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frenchlover1999
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That could almost be true, except for the Miami part. Lets say Stockholm. Or Tunis is you like warmer places. |
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See the problem with Frenchlover is he thinks he is so smart because he has "alternative" views and "facts". But what he fails to see, is that he is just caught up in the whole scam. Zionists, French, Americans, Chinese and Mormons, are all run by the same group. He can't see through his own trap. |
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