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Marakanis
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Oct 20, 2009 - 03:50 PM |
 
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hmm, I have Windows Live OneCare running and regularly run full system checks, and nothing has been detected. I'd also doubt if it's social engineering as nobody has ever asked for my Chinese bank details. Also, HSBC uses the HTTPS pre-fix which I thought prevented packet sniffing? I suppose the most likely explanation is something on the landlord's end has been compromised. He's the only other one who can have his name, bank branch and my cell number in one place.
The interesting thing on this occasion is that at first I had trouble sending the payment. Needed repeat attempts which kept failing. When I went to the HSBC branch they confirmed I had done it incorrectly. But the SMS message says in Chinese that my payment "still" hasn't been sent....which kind of spooked me, as it appears they knew I had problems initially, unless of course its a coincidence. I am starting to think of a bank insider. |
No, see, that's not a coincidence. That's exactly what they would say if they had spoofed you somehow. I still suspect malware. Windows alone is not enough and is the most common one for the latest malware and viruses to be able to bypass. I use 4 forms of protection. Spybot, Adaware, Windows own program, and Malwarebyte's Anti-malware program. I run each one at least once a week (or whenever I suspect something isn't quite right). |
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Shangstar
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Oct 20, 2009 - 03:52 PM |
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thanks, i'll run those and see if they throw up anything. |
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Shangstar
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Oct 20, 2009 - 06:19 PM |
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just finished scanning everything - nothing whatsoever detected - clean as a whistle.
There can be three possibilities:
(1) Pure coincidence that I got a spam SMS asking payment to someone with my landlords name.
(2) Packet sniffing
(3) Bank Insider |
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MoonOverMiami
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Oct 20, 2009 - 09:01 PM |
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Another possibility is someone saw your transfer application form if you arranged it in-house. If you observe the tellers in any bank (at least the ones I've been to), they're pretty careless about preventing people from seeing the forms the previous customer just filed. Could have gotten your number from there and the name of the recipient as well.
Report this with the bank/police and see if they can find out who the account belongs to, and who the cellphone number belongs to as well. |
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Shangstar
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Oct 20, 2009 - 09:16 PM |
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possibly.........I go to the Premier cashier at the back, and the form I filled in was taken and stored behind the Window, I saw him. Also, I'd doubt if another premier customer would bother to do this. I would assume the number is untraceable, and that the bank account was probably created using fake id, with just the cash card working. I think I will just report it to my bank, and to the beneficiary bank, and let them deal with it. |
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officeguy
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Oct 22, 2009 - 08:43 PM |
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I usually pay my landlord by bank transfer. I had a few issues with my bank, HSBC, the last time I tried to do a transfer, and the payment could not be made, but it worked eventually when I arranged it in-branch.
Today, out of the blue, I get an SMS from an unknown Chinese mobile number saying that the payment to my landlord (they got the name right), could not be made, asking me to make the payment to a specified account. They also have the benficiary bank correct, but obviously the number is completely different. Obviously I didn't do it, mainly because I did pay the rent and the landlord has confirmed he never sent the SMS.
What's going on here do you reckon? I am worried that the transaction my end has been monitored somehow, or it has been so on the landlord's side. Any advice on what to do? How did they get my number, and the landlords name and bank branch? It makes no mention of the payment being rent, just refers to a "payment". Its in Chinese. |
http://www.shanghaidaily.com/sp/article/2009/200910/20091022/article_4 17116.htm`
Shanghaidaily
Foreigner latest to fall for phone scam
By Jane Chen | 2009-10-22 | ONLINE EDITION
A FOREIGN resident has become the latest victim of a mobile phone scam after transferring her rental money to a bank account sent by an unknown cell phone.
The woman has reported the case to the police who are investigating, today's Oriental Morning Post reported.
The woman, surnamed Jones by the newspaper, received a text message saying: "Haven't you sent me the money? My bankcard is not working and please send the money to the new card number 6228481120648116213."
The woman thought the message was from her landlord because her rent was due that day, so she transferred 12,600 yuan (US$1,845.56) to the Agricultural Bank of China account. |
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Shangstar
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Oct 22, 2009 - 08:54 PM |
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yeah the SMS I got was similar - Agri Bank but different account number. Should I report it to the cops?
My SMS message was as follows
From: +8615261766247
钱还没到汇吧， 那张卡没磁性了，请把钱汇到衣行卡上：6228481700685273512. 户名：【landlord's name except for one character]. 办完后短信告知。 |
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Marakanis
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Oct 22, 2009 - 09:03 PM |
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Shangstar
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Oct 22, 2009 - 09:05 PM |
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...lanlord doesn't give me fapiaos so i guess he's not fully compliant with the tax laws!
I think I will report it with a Chinese friend, so long as the LL doesnt mind. |
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Shangstar
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Oct 22, 2009 - 09:16 PM |
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actually, a quick google search of that account number and similar strings results in Chinese reports of similar scams, with that same name. There's no mention of rent in the SMS - just "payment". I guess the name almost matching my landlord's might just be coincidence? |
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paulinshanghai
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Oct 22, 2009 - 10:36 PM |
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Sorry, but that scam seems way too easy. Didn't the girl from the SH Daily article think of calling the number? If someone (even someone I knew) asked for that much money I would probably talk to them, not just receive an SMS and pay.
Likewise if someone owed me 12000rmb in rent I wouldn't just SMS telling them to pay.
Maybe Im wrong.
Interested in Shangstars story though. Seems they have a lot more detail about you! |
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Shangstar
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Oct 22, 2009 - 10:39 PM |
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the scammer might even be my landlord - yikes!!!
But you;re right Paul - some people are way too thick. Anything from an unknown Chinese number is probably suspect. I suppose not everyone is that bright, and if the scammers send out enough messages, someone might be dumb enough to send the money. |
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monalisalee
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Oct 22, 2009 - 11:37 PM |
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Yeah, it's like 1/1000 is probably a good hit rate.
African scammers would think so.
We have had some very strange messages on our cell, but if we dont recognise the number, we IGNORE.
Scary, but. |
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Zak101
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^^ Absolutely. Not a pop up as a recorded cell phone number with user ID, it's deleted city - without even bothering to read it. Except when I expect time confirmed calls. |
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sid275
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Oct 28, 2009 - 03:28 AM |
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hi all
my first post on this forum here, its about the well known tea house scam . . it happened in Beijing though, and is a very weird thing that happened to me on my first night there
I had been to Beijing many times before , and knew of the tea house scams and everything, but it was my first night in the town , was bored, it was late at night, had nothing to do.
I was walking back to my hotel, the Regen Beijing, and saw this beautifull girl standing on the street, just in front of the driveway to the hotel entrance, at first I thought she was waiting for somebody , but then she started talking to me and started the usual line of "want to practise my english lets go for drinks" me being bored and wanting some company said , sure why not.
Off we went , to a place called "beijing bar" wich I actually knew from before and where I had been to on my own . We ended up drinking wine and vodka untill maybe 5 in the morning. We were in a private room and while drinking we were playing strip poker. Was kind of fun and we both ended up getting naked in the private room. But then the bill came. It was for 3000 rmb. Couldnt believe it , **** , not that much ? Asked for the menu and saw that the glasses of wine the girl was ordering all night were listed at 245 RMB . The vodka I was mainly drinking was at 50 rmb .
Ended up paying the bill . Then the girl walked me back to the hotel and we went back to my room to play some more strip poker. Ended up **** her in my room. But me being drunk after drinking for couple of hours didnt really perform that well and she got angry . Stressing me about trying again and **** her more . Ended up having to promise to **** her again in the morning . Morning came **** her again couple of times , wasnt bad. But started feeling strange about the huge bar bill and how she orderded the most expensive wine on the menu .
So ? Did I get scammed or not ? |
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Marakanis
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Oct 28, 2009 - 03:45 AM |
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You paid for a hooker, congrats. |
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sid275
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Oct 28, 2009 - 04:22 AM |
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| You paid for a hooker, congrats. |
the only money that exchanged hands was when I paid the bar bill, she could have gone home after that if she was just scamming me |
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dys
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Oct 28, 2009 - 04:24 AM |
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no i dont reckon you got scammed there. If she wasnt interested in screwing you she could have walked away at the end of the night with her commission. I reckon she was pretty pleased with her earnings for the night, thought you seemed like a decent enough guy and was quite drunk, and probably fancied a shag. |
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Marakanis
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Oct 28, 2009 - 11:07 AM |
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| Marakanis wrote: |
| You paid for a hooker, congrats. |
the only money that exchanged hands was when I paid the bar bill, she could have gone home after that if she was just scamming me |
If you nail her again without paying for a ton of ridiculously priced drinks, don't be shocked when an angry pimp shows up at your door demanding money. |
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rocco72
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Oct 28, 2009 - 11:16 AM |
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She probably took commission from the bar. i wouldn't be surprised about that. |
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Marakanis
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Oct 28, 2009 - 12:38 PM |
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| She probably took commission from the bar. i wouldn't be surprised about that. |
Yeah, 200kuai + drinks are called "Lady Drinks." The girl has to sell a certain amount of them each night in order to earn her keep. Chances are she's drinking water or something really close to it. Usually you have to negotiate to take the girl home, but I imagine if you spend over a certain amount they don't bother. The girl is a prostitute. If she chose not to charge you, congrats. You got a freebie from a prostitute.
Just be careful next time. The first try might have been free, but all bets are off after that.
Also, I hope you wore a rubber. ;D |
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Renovator
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Oct 28, 2009 - 09:51 PM |
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Maybe she is exploring the long term possibility of you being her ticket out of China. |
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leidelaohu
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Oct 28, 2009 - 10:13 PM |
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Yeah, 200kuai + drinks are called "Lady Drinks." The girl has to sell a certain amount of them each night in order to earn her keep. Chances are she's drinking water or something really close to it. Usually you have to negotiate to take the girl home, but I imagine if you spend over a certain amount they don't bother. The girl is a prostitute. If she chose not to charge you, congrats. You got a freebie from a prostitute.
Just be careful next time. The first try might have been free, but all bets are off after that.
Also, I hope you wore a rubber. ;D |
What, you saw a girl once so now you know all about them ? |
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Marakanis
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Oct 28, 2009 - 10:57 PM |
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| Marakanis wrote: |
Yeah, 200kuai + drinks are called "Lady Drinks." The girl has to sell a certain amount of them each night in order to earn her keep. Chances are she's drinking water or something really close to it. Usually you have to negotiate to take the girl home, but I imagine if you spend over a certain amount they don't bother. The girl is a prostitute. If she chose not to charge you, congrats. You got a freebie from a prostitute.
Just be careful next time. The first try might have been free, but all bets are off after that.
Also, I hope you wore a rubber. ;D |
What, you saw a girl once so now you know all about them ? |
Nope, I watched a couple documentaries on the sex trade in Asia. Amusing stuff.
Why are you trolling so hard lately? Kidney stone? |
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KalanStar
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Oct 31, 2009 - 11:32 AM |
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... But then the bill came. It was for 3000 rmb. Couldnt believe it , **** , not that much ? Asked for the menu and saw that the glasses of wine the girl was ordering all night were listed at 245 RMB . The vodka I was mainly drinking was at 50 rmb . .... But started feeling strange about the huge bar bill and how she orderded the most expensive wine on the menu .
So ? Did I get scammed or not ? |
That bar bill is not too high.. ever been to Bar Rouge???
You weren't scammed, but considering your poor performance, she probably feels like she was scammed  |
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