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lazyyorkie
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June 26, 2006 - 01:03 PM |
 
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England got lucky again Sunday or do you think they have a chance to win the cup?
Comment on other teams too? |
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thewalrus
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June 26, 2006 - 01:14 PM |
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Australia v Italy: 2 - 1 Australia!! Come on fellas! |
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hammerforlife
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June 26, 2006 - 01:16 PM |
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It was like watching a poor midweek English league game last night. England have the individuals but when you take them out of their league teams they just don't perform well. Unless they improve dramatically they have little chance against the likes of Argentina or Brasil. Then again they are still in it and plenty of team have already gone home.
Portugal with 2 players suspended is an added bonus. My money is on England to lose in the semis. |
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subhashis.basu
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June 26, 2006 - 01:16 PM |
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Honestly speaking....looking into England's performance till date, it looks like they are a highly overrated team. However they might get lucky in the quarter finals, since Portugal might miss some of their regulars due to yellow & red card issues.
Argentina might have picked up too early in the prelims itself. Their form in 2nd round against Mexico puts them as an underdog against ever improving motivated German side in the quarters. Italy has not shown it's mettle till yet but might scrap thru to the semis. Brazil picking up at the right time........any day they are the favourites. The surprise package has been the superlative performance of the perennial under achievers...Spain. I think they have played the most attractive football among all the teams in the cup till now (one exception being Argentina in one match). |
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Henry_Chinaski
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June 26, 2006 - 01:23 PM |
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Think hammer and subhashis are 100% spot on.
Argentina: peaked too early, mostly because last world cup they did not even go to the 2nd round and were under pressure. Mexico could have won it. Argentina's second goal was pure poetry in motion though. Almost had a tiny tear in my eye so beautiful it was.
Italy: never underestimate their heart. They are traditionally tough adversaries: look at Spain 82. Also, they are playing under a cloud of uncertainty because of the scandals going on in Italy.
Spain: I hope they go far.
From what I read Brazil is doing exactly what subhashis mentioned: peaking at the RIGHT time. That's waht they did in the past 3 world cups and surprise, went to the final on all of them. This is different from what they did in 82, 86, and 90.
England: hammer said it all. If Ecuador BELIEVED they could win, they would. |
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subhashis.basu
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June 26, 2006 - 01:41 PM |
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WOW! The second goal of Argentina in the Mexico match was sheer poetry, I agree with Henry. That explosive left foot volley by Rodriguez has won the heart of all football fans irrespective of their nationalities. One can walk miles to see such glorious finish!
Even the second goal of Argentina at the 31st minute (against Serbia & Montenegro) by Cambiasso was gem of a goal. To me that's the best field goal of the tourney so far. It culminated after 24 meticulous passes.........Such goals makes you feel "Football is such a beautiful game". |
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lazyyorkie
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June 26, 2006 - 02:08 PM |
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I agree, Mexico played so well ! Me thinks Spain are a great team and play such a fluid game. I do support my country but, feel they are very lucky indeed to get this far! Good luck to the OZ team too!
The France V Spain game will be a blinder. |
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ShanghaiScot
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June 26, 2006 - 02:13 PM |
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Portugal still have 21 other players there and proved against the Dutch (my tip as an
outside chance by the way) that they have the heart and soul for a good scrap so do
not under estimate them. I think that the English are over hyped, they have some good
individuals and one or two world class players but as a team they dont really cut the mustard.
Dont think you need look any further than next Saturday as his last game in charge.
Sorry Sven your on your way home or is it Real Madrid come sunday Morning |
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lazyyorkie
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June 26, 2006 - 02:17 PM |
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Shanghaiscot: Well you are right there my friend, think their luck will expire! Rooney had 3 guys on him most of the match. |
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tomnoddy_uk
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June 26, 2006 - 02:19 PM |
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Football is about winning, not the performance. The performance is nice but given the choice, everyone would choose the result. England have beaten what has been put in front of them. It's what they have always done and probably will always do. England have done the business and apart from the Swedish second half and one great Cole tackle, have not looked like conceeding.
England havn't played well under Sven so people say, but they've beater Germany 5-1 in Munich, beat Argentina in a friendly. Cole's volley was up there with the Argies one.
My predictions?
England 3-2 Portugal
Engalnd 2-0 Spain
England 3-1 Argentina |
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lazyyorkie
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June 26, 2006 - 02:22 PM |
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Anything is possible thats for sure ^ admire your optimism but, I would like to see a bit more sparkle for what is probably one of the most expensive teams on the planet! |
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bigusdickus
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June 26, 2006 - 02:39 PM |
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I certainly agree that England is not playing to their true potential which in my opinion is due to poor coaching. The game against Ecuador was another example of poor strategy and assigning roles to players which they didn’t fit in to. Even though England didn’t play well the result was fair; the boys were way too strong for Ecuador. The best possible outcome for Ecuador was a draw and then a chance at penalties.
As for the future I believe the team will ‘come together’ and certainly beat Portugal. The semi’s will bring an England-Spain match which will be a real test for England who will need to play at their very best to win. I believe Spain will destroy France and then beat Brazil to get to the semi’s.
Regarding the other teams, I believe the Aussies will play Switzerland in the quarter final and the Swiss will progress to play Germany, and lose in the semi’s.
Either an England-Germany or Spain-Germany final.
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Henry_Chinaski
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June 26, 2006 - 02:40 PM |
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Rooney had 3 guys on him? Hahaha.
And let me guess: England also "dominated" the game, as illustrated by the 50/50 ball possession right?
That's what I love the most when England gets invariably and repeatedly raped in the World Cup: they all think their team is great. Everybody knows their time is shite. But they keep being irrational and over hyping it, just to be disappointed in the end. |
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subhashis.basu
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June 26, 2006 - 02:52 PM |
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I totally agree with you Henry. My suggestion to the english fans will be not to build castles in the air. One team cannot win the WC with just sheer hype. And if at all it wins...it will be by default rather than by design. If such an over rated mediocre TEAM (not talking of individual star footballers) wins the WC, it will be a shame, a disgrace for the beautiful game of football. |
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hammerforlife
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June 26, 2006 - 02:57 PM |
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| subhashis.basu wrote: |
| I totally agree with you Henry. My suggestion to the english fans will be not to build castles in the air. One team cannot win the WC with just sheer hype. And if at all it wins...it will be by default rather than by design. If such an over rated mediocre TEAM (not talking of individual star footballers) wins the WC, it will be a shame, a disgrace for the beautiful game of football. |
I think most expectations are quite realistic this year. Of course everyone wants their team to win but I have not spoken to any English fans that think England is the best team in the competition. However most think that they do have a chance. Will need to step it up a couple of gears if it does happen however. |
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lazyyorkie
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June 26, 2006 - 03:00 PM |
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Henry: Sounds like sour grapes and the old english chestnut comming up again?
Their time is shite means exactly?
My Rooney comment was in answer to Shnaghaiscot's " individuals" remark however, you want to make it into an International political incident hehe...the result is the result chance how you get there!
Dont worry about England we will be there doing our best and all teams need a bit of luck!
Subhashis: wheres the hype the results speak for themselves!! |
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bigusdickus
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June 26, 2006 - 03:05 PM |
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subhashis.basu wrote:
If such an over rated mediocre TEAM (not talking of individual star footballers) wins the WC, it will be a shame, a disgrace for the beautiful game of football.
Such melodrama! |
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Henry_Chinaski
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June 26, 2006 - 03:18 PM |
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^^ Actually I think subhashis was spot on. If England won (which all know wont happen but dont tell the brits) playing the mediocre soft cocked footie they play, it would be a shame. Can't recall a world cup that a mediocre team such as today's England won it all.
Well, we had this team that won it in 66 with a big help from the referees. Maybe that's the last time  |
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hammerforlife
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June 26, 2006 - 03:22 PM |
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My Swedish friend is desperate for England to win this time because in his words "they will then shut the fcuk up about 1966" |
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Henry_Chinaski
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June 26, 2006 - 03:29 PM |
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Nick-la
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June 26, 2006 - 03:32 PM |
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Hammer makes an excellent point that: The massive majority of (male) English football fans do not believe England will win the World Cup. There are, of course, the odd few who say we can win it and thus everyone thinks that the whole country is like that. If any of you were to go to England, youll see that we are morbidly realistic.
And if England were to win this World Cup, there is absolutely NO chance that it could be done by playing anything but amazing football. |
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lazyyorkie
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June 26, 2006 - 03:33 PM |
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Henry: ^^ Actually I think subhashis was spot on. If England won (which all know wont happen but dont tell the brits) playing the mediocre soft cocked footie they play, it would be a shame. Can't recall a world cup that a mediocre team such as today's England won it all.
Well, we had this team that won it in 66 with a big help from the referees. Maybe that's the last time Wink
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Dont under estimate Englands ability to play world class football, none of us Brits are kidding ourselves, they have not yet found their feet yet and we are not convinced by Sven's leadership either however, England has a habbit of performing well under pressure and rising to the same level of the teams they play.
Most of the fans are playing it down and just hoping we can keep going in the competition, if you could see all the England flags flying here in UK then you will see the whole country is behind the team and a real serge of nationalism.
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tomnoddy_uk
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June 26, 2006 - 03:34 PM |
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Were people upset after Euro 2004 when Greece won?? No they weren't even a mediocre team. Barely a team. Yes English are an arrogant bunch, mis-guided and blindly optimistic. But I can't help but feel people are rather bitter about the English.
The best team of the competition wins the cup, no questions, no excuses. If England win its because they were the best, if not then someone else was the best.
The winners are called world champions for one reason only. |
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lazyyorkie
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June 26, 2006 - 03:37 PM |
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Henry_Chinaski
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June 26, 2006 - 03:49 PM |
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"Dont under estimate Englands ability to play world class football"
I never ever saw that. Name one World Cup match where this happened. Name ONE in the last 20 years. England hasnt even been in the finals for 40 fukking years. Why would it be different now?
Brits won 5x1 against germany and against argentina on friendlies and suddenly think they are hot shiat, which they are not.
Every dog has its day, and England had it in these matches. But in a World CUp that you need to have 7 matches to win, luck will never be on the side of the mediocre.
My main point is: dont fool yourself. The best thing to make england win would be for everybody to be skeptical about it and to make the press HATE the team. That's what motivates players: nobody believing in them, being villains. That's why Brazil won in 94 after 24 years: everybody thought they were crap and wanted them to lose. That motivated the players TREMENDOUSLY. Branco's amazing goal against Netherlands in 94 was baptized the "SHUT UP" goal, mostly because it shut the fk up of a lot of people. Rai was despised in 94. Bebeto was labeled as too soft. Dunga, amazing player, has hated. Everybody blamed him for "losing" in 90 and for being the antitesis of Brazilian soccer.
Same with Italy in 82 by the way (another reason I think Italy might surprise this world cup, although they are weak this time).
But from what I perceive the British press loves hyping the team up. The English Team this, The English Team that. We have "Becks" and he is the best foul kick scorer in the world (which is not true) and Rooney is one of the best in the world (which is not true), and Lampard is this (which he isnt), and Perry is really good (he is a fkng joke) and Ferdinand is amazing, and the list goes on.
England: if you want to win a world cup, learn to hate your players. And you know what: for the shiat footy the play, they rightly deserve so. |
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