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acujerjer
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July 18, 2006 - 12:14 AM |
 
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| Hmm...you are so right acujerjer!. |
This is what truly matters. |
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sarahs
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July 18, 2006 - 07:48 AM |
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| But this is an amazing opportunity to see how Chinese think as a culture. China is not a country, it is a bloodline. So you are not American to them. You are a Chinese living in America. The only difference between them and you is where you live. It is this kind of thinking that really scares me. |
I do see how the Chinese think. I just make them tell me their views in English. Yep, my parents are technically Taiwanese, yet they consider themselves Chinese.
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| When I first arrived and introduced myself as a Singaporean, they are more interested in the fact that my grandfather came from Fujian (where in Fujian my grandfather came from is all history to me!). |
Yep, same here. When they find out that my mother's side is from Shanghai, their eyes just completely light up. And the Shanghainese are like "You're one of us! You're Shanghainese!" I was like "Ummm, no way." |
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brandonchang
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July 22, 2006 - 05:05 AM |
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Sarahs,
Gaging from the tone of your postings, it appears you're just as ashamed of being racially Chinese as you accuse other ABC's of being. My guess is that you're the typical ABC, self hating type - condescending towards the native Chinese but a willing slave to your white overlords. That's cool though, cuz I'm the same way.
Here in China, I exploit every possible opportunity to assert my Canadian nationality, especially when I'm challenged by the locals. I flash my passport in their faces, speak in exaggerated slow & loud English when I'm trying to explain something and am frequently sarcastic.
Yes, I'm a truly horrible human being. |
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sarahs
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July 22, 2006 - 01:49 PM |
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I am definitely not ashamed of being racially Chinese. I'm quite happy to have Chinese background and have grown up in the USA, thus seeing different sides of two cultures and being able to take the best out of both. I have no self hate for myself, although I frequently cannot stand other ABCs since many times they are incredibly judgemental, close minded, and think they are better than everyone else.
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| condescending towards the native Chinese but a willing slave to your white overlords. |
You have no idea what you're talking about.
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Here in China, I exploit every possible opportunity to assert my Canadian nationality, especially when I'm challenged by the locals. I flash my passport in their faces, speak in exaggerated slow & loud English when I'm trying to explain something and am frequently sarcastic.
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I do exactly the opposite. I try to blend in and hide the fact that I'm from the USA as much as possible. When I'm challenged by the locals, I just argue with them in Chinese.
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| Yes, I'm a truly horrible human being. |
I wholeheartedly believe that's a true statement. |
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July 23, 2006 - 02:32 PM |
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You dont look like a head honcho honkie! |
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scrag
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July 24, 2006 - 11:18 PM |
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chinese know emigration, but havn't seen a lot ,that's the reason. |
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digahole
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July 25, 2006 - 12:20 AM |
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| Yep, same here. When they find out that my mother's side is from Shanghai, their eyes just completely light up. And the Shanghainese are like "You're one of us! You're Shanghainese!" I was like "Ummm, no way." |
ok, so what have we learned from our lovely sarah's postings here, here is what I have learned, she hates to be associated with Chinese. she wish she doesn't have a asian face. she feels so much more superior than Chinese, although I'm not even sure why, cuz she is a just a [racist comments deleted]
what else have we learned? |
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brandonchang
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July 25, 2006 - 01:41 AM |
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Sarahs,
It's good to know that we've got good honorable ABC's like you making a good impression in China. Unfortuately, we've also got CBC's like me undoing all your good work by letting loose in Shanghai. Pity. Take one for the team. |
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sarahs
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July 25, 2006 - 11:57 AM |
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| Yep, same here. When they find out that my mother's side is from Shanghai, their eyes just completely light up. And the Shanghainese are like "You're one of us! You're Shanghainese!" I was like "Ummm, no way." |
ok, so what have we learned from our lovely sarah's postings here, here is what I have learned, she hates to be associated with Chinese. she wish she doesn't have a asian face. she feels so much more superior than Chinese, although I'm not even sure why, cuz she is a just a [racist comments deleted]
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Actually I like my Asian face. I would never get eyelids, dye my hair, get a nose job, which is unlike many other Asians I know, especially the ones who have a great deal of "pryde" in their Asian ethnicity. Nor would I ever trade places with any other race.
But I see you're point Diggie. Denying that I'm Shanghainese is just like the white Americans who say they have no connection with their European counterparts. Like the American whose ancestors came from Italy but now has no association with Italy. Or the African American whose family came from Nigeria but now considers himself American, not Nigerian. What a bunch of dikheads Americans are..they must all be self haters and ashamed of their backgrounds as they bow down to the white Anglo Saxons that rule.
Wait, maybe my view is too American-centric. I guess the Taiwanese and Singaporeans who deny they are Chinese and the Australians who consider themselves Australian instead of British must all be the same. Geesh, I guess just about everyone in this world who have been displaced from their original country must have some form of self hatred, unless of course one is of Anglo Saxon heritage.
Wow, thanks for showing me the light Digie. I feel enlightened. |
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sarahs
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July 25, 2006 - 11:58 AM |
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Sarahs,
It's good to know that we've got good honorable ABC's like you making a good impression in China. Unfortuately, we've also got CBC's like me undoing all your good work by letting loose in Shanghai. Pity. Take one for the team. |
Come now BC, "honorable" is a bit of a stretch there. I can be biatch at times, but it's in reaction to an individual's actions, not to an individual's race. |
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sarahs
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July 25, 2006 - 12:08 PM |
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she is a just a little[expletive deleted] who lives in a white dominated society, [deleted] everyday for a living.
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Hm, well I've been having some lesbian fantasies lately and questioning my sexuality. Does that mean I will have to eat out white women to make a living instead of sucking dick? |
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YariGuy
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July 25, 2006 - 02:14 PM |
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| I would never get eyelids |
I highly recommend getting eyelids if you don't have any.
Anyhow I am Chinese American as well (born in Taiwan) and I taught English in Japan. You hear about the companies who only want to hire white people but I did fine. But the kids were about 15 or 16 so they may know better.
But it's gotta be fun sometimes, right? You go around to expat places and people don't think you can understand. I haven't had anyone talk about me though yet... that's when I jump out of the bushes and say "AHA!" |
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digahole
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July 25, 2006 - 10:17 PM |
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Actually I like my Asian face. I would never get eyelids, dye my hair, get a nose job, which is unlike many other Asians I know, especially the ones who have a great deal of "pryde" in their Asian ethnicity. Nor would I ever trade places with any other race.
But I see you're point Diggie. Denying that I'm Shanghainese is just like the white Americans who say they have no connection with their European counterparts. Like the American whose ancestors came from Italy but now has no association with Italy. Or the African American whose family came from Nigeria but now considers himself American, not Nigerian. What a bunch of dikheads Americans are..they must all be self haters and ashamed of their backgrounds as they bow down to the white Anglo Saxons that rule.
Wait, maybe my view is too American-centric. I guess the Taiwanese and Singaporeans who deny they are Chinese and the Australians who consider themselves Australian instead of British must all be the same. Geesh, I guess just about everyone in this world who have been displaced from their original country must have some form of self hatred, unless of course one is of Anglo Saxon heritage.
Wow, thanks for showing me the light Digie. I feel enlightened. |
sarahs, obviously you still don't get it.
I'm not saying you need to tell the whole world that you are part of mainland Chinese although your family did come from China. what bothers me is that when those innocent warm-hearted shanghainese people were simply trying to be friendly to you and associate you as one of them, your response is "Ummm, no way."
maybe you ABCs ARE different from we inferior mainlanders. I've been living in many parts of China before, I always try to associate myself with other Chinese when I meet them and I would be delighted if they tell me I'm their hometown boy. most of Chinese I've known do this as well. oh well, we are just a bunch of uneducated clueless peasants, what do we know ? |
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sarahs
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July 25, 2006 - 11:54 PM |
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what bothers me is that when those innocent warm-hearted shanghainese people were simply trying to be friendly to you and associate you as one of them, your response is "Ummm, no way."
maybe you ABCs ARE different from we inferior mainlanders. I've been living in many parts of China before, I always try to associate myself with other Chinese when I meet them and I would be delighted if they tell me I'm their hometown boy. most of Chinese I've known do this as well. oh well, we are just a bunch of uneducated clueless peasants, what do we know ? |
No, I don't think you get it.
Of course you, a mainlander Chinese, would associate yourself with Chinese from other parts. I too have lived in various parts of the States and would be delighted if my friends tell me I'm just like a city (nyc) girl.
However, I think it's really dumb when I'm told I'm Shanghainese just because it was my grandparent's hometown, which they have not lived in since probably right after wwii. Taiwan, I could maybe understand since both my parents are from there. But saying I'm Shanghainese is really stretching it. These people were not "uneducated clueless peasants" but rather educated with good jobs.
The response "UMM, no way" is what automatically popped up in my mind. My real answer was (with a smile) "qi shi, zhe shi wo de puo puo he gong gong cai shi shanghai lai de. Wo de mama shi zai taiwan shen de he zhang da de. Ta bu shi shanghai ren ye bu hui shuo shanghai hua. na wo ye jiu bu shi" (Excuse me if my pinyin isn't perfect as I originally learned the Taiwan alphabet and only recently picked up pinyin).
"maybe you ABCs ARE different from we inferior mainlanders."
Inferior? Maybe to other Chinese like Hongkongnese, Taiwanese, etc. But I find that mainlanders can be quite clever and conniving, thus demand a certain amount of respect and should never be underestimated. Even with my innocent students- the moment I let my guard down I'm taken full advantage of. |
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digahole
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July 26, 2006 - 12:26 AM |
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| Even with my innocent students- the moment I let my guard down I'm taken full advantage of. |
what did they do, gang-bang you with their fingers? well they might have watched too much japanese AVs.
anyway, from all of your postings here, I can tell that you are ashamed of being associated with we mainlanders, but that's fine. no biggy. there are white people who hates other whites, tons of blacks hates black people.... so nothing extraordinary if some Chinese don't like other Chinese.
I know you will deny this, so here is my idea, how about you and I go out for a dinner and something, after that we can lie down in my hotel bed naked and then try to find out why your ass is much more superior than my mainlander's. |
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brandonchang
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July 26, 2006 - 12:26 AM |
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Sarahs,
Are you one of those sell-out b*tches who've been brainwashed into dating only white men? Have you hooked up with Asian guys before? Your answer to this question will reveal the true nature of your self hatred.
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sarahs
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July 26, 2006 - 10:18 AM |
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what did they do, gang-bang you with their fingers? well they might have watched too much japanese AVs.
anyway, from all of your postings here, I can tell that you are ashamed of being associated with we mainlanders, but that's fine. no biggy. there are white people who hates other whites, tons of blacks hates black people.... so nothing extraordinary if some Chinese don't like other Chinese.
I know you will deny this, so here is my idea, how about you and I go out for a dinner and something, after that we can lie down in my hotel bed naked and then try to find out why your ass is much more superior than my mainlander's. |
More like outrageously cheat and lie to my face. But what should I care about honesty and actually teaching these kids some English? I'm in China, right? Plus, I"m just a poor English teacher with a yellow face. Your offer sounds tempting digahole, but I really don't give a shite whose ass is better, although you obviously seem to be desperate to prove something. Would you be that suprised if our asses were the same?
You clearly have some kind of inferiority complex. It does seem that most of the people who visit Mainland China most definitely look down on you. But seriously, taking out all your frustrations on poor lil 'ole me just ain't gonna solve the problem.
Relax, smoke some pot or if that's not your thing drink some wine, listen to some soothing music (may I suggest Sigur Ros). Cheer up and stop breeding this negativity, it'll turn you into a bitter ole man. |
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sarahs
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July 26, 2006 - 10:21 AM |
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Sarahs,
Are you one of those sell-out b*tches who've been brainwashed into dating only white men? Have you hooked up with Asian guys before? Your answer to this question will reveal the true nature of your self hatred.
B.Chang |
Aiya BC. What a question. When I walk into a room and there are groups of all races, the first group that catches my eye and that I will check out is the Asian one. I guess you could describe me as an equal opportunity employer who gives preferential treatment to Asians.
You're like a belligerent little Chihuhua with a massive Napoleonic complex. All you do is bear your teeth and go yippity yapp yapp. You remind me of my dog although I'm sure he's much cuter than you.
Seriously, I have never met someone who hates himself as much as you do. What's really bizarre to me is that you can't seem to fathom why other ABCs shouldn't be just like you. |
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July 26, 2006 - 11:21 AM |
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are you sure these people saying things of the kind, partly because of what guys mentioned here, partly could also because they want to find some similarity, something they are more familiar with. friendly make you feel closer to them?
i think it is common sense, when you start to know a new thing or a new person, you try to find similarity or something familiar for you between you and the new case.
i was taken as half american half chinese as well, but i forgave the people told me about this easily, cos i can see that they are just trying to be friendly and get something closer to them. |
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jenming
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July 26, 2006 - 11:58 AM |
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sigur ros is fantastic. |
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digahole
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July 27, 2006 - 12:33 AM |
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| You clearly have some kind of inferiority complex. It does seem that most of the people who visit Mainland China most definitely look down on you. |
oh no, what should I do? laowai are looking down on my mainland peasant ass? |
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Meow
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July 30, 2006 - 05:51 AM |
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Alright, I'm new to this forum and you guys are freaking me out. My husband and I are traveling to Taipei and Shanghai in a week so I can have a look-see. All this racial/ethnic tension is making me nervous. We're Americans. My husband is half Black and Half Japanese. I'm half-Black and half White. Our three kids look Polynesian. I plan on being damn near fluent in Mandarin by the time I get there if we go.
Should I brace myself for outright racial bullfeces on the streets of Shanghai? |
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CoffeeHawk_0
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Overall Shanghai is a very laid back community and has been open to the world for centuries. There are cultural differences in the form of non-PC, personal, questions and lack of experience with some cultures and ethnic backgrounds. People sometimes stare, especially if it's the first time they've seen dread locks or a white person in a small village, etc. Everyone who is non-Chinese experiences these cultural differences but in almost all cases it's not racist related, it's just curiosity, or a bit too much honesty that is consider rude in many western cultures. Being overweight, for example, is an oddity here, it's a common topic among locals when "evaluating" westeners. They talk about it because they have been strictly taught the dangers of being over-weight, therefore, it is illogical to be overweight, so they wonder how so many Americans can be 50 pounds overwieght. It's an intellectual curiosity thing, but in the end, China is a "live and let live" community (notwithstanding politics). People will say I have a big nose or that my forearms are too hairy, as they laugh and recall that they were taught that body hair is a sign of lower evolution. But as long as I don't act like an ape, I don't get treated like an ape 
I don't know how exactly you interpret the above, but, don't worry, and don't let a small thing get to you, it's too easy to misinterpret the small things. The society here is about people getting along well in crowded conditions with a lot of historical hardships. This is the most integrated society I have ever seen, but it's also a society that has been closed off from many western ideals. So just keep an open mind. PC may not exist here, but having intelligence, humbleness, and class (and not showing anger) will let everyone know who you are and you'll be fine. And, overall, Americans are actually one of the more liked cultures here in that they tend to be able to integrate themselves here easily.
Since I'm on a roll...if you're fluent in Mandarin, you will likely hear things that may irk you as people comment amongst themselves, never, never show anger. It's a sign of an unstable mind, seriously. Completely opposite than it is in the US if someone cuts you off on the highway, let alone makes a racial comment, but it's an integral part of the culture. As a rich, cultured foreigner, you should be above such 'animal' instincts. Reading some books on cultural differences, doing business here, etc. is highly recommended. It's not bad by any means, it's just different.
This thread, overall, is a non-typical example of life here. This is an open forum, so there's a lot of butt-heads talking smack, read a book on culture, and you'll be much better off. |
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pixelstrange
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July 30, 2006 - 10:12 AM |
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| I get mistaken for being a German! |
Yeah me too! Maybe it's because I look like a German and sound like one, when I speak my native language. But still, you should be really carefull about who you call German.
Good tip: Make sure it's a German. If not, they will be offendend. |
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pixelstrange
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July 30, 2006 - 10:46 AM |
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| Should I brace myself for outright racial bullfeces on the streets of Shanghai? |
Not in any way! The closest thing I have come to racial remarks are something like "Hello, welcome to Shanghai, tihihi!". People here (as everywhere else) are racists, sure. But racism here will not give you a negative feeling.
When you come here you will not be american/japanese/black/white/european whatever. You're either Chinese or not. And if you're not, then that's fine.
This thread is not about that. It's about wheither non-chinese chinese are in fact chinese or not. Yes, it is a very irrelevant discussion, but this is important for some people to settle. |
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