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yanlordg
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Is there anyplace where you can get Bottled water with floride added. I am interested in the large bottles 20-25 liters. |
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bougie
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Nov 30, 2006 - 07:29 PM |
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Are you serious? Are you part of the NWO or something? Have you not heard that floride and aspertam are extremely bad for you? |
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Angie
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Fluoride is good for little babys and children for their teeth. Might also be good for adults - a lot of toothpastes have fluoride added and I heard that some countries dope their tap water with fluoride for that reason!
I would recommend fluoride pills. Worldlink should be able to import them. |
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LifeMage
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Fluoride is a bi-product of aluminum production.
It is a POISON!!! Please read about it.
The negative effects to health, are too many to list here.
It effects every part of the body...from brains to bone.
Anyone that claims it is beneficial for your teeth is misinformed, look up dental fluorosis;
"enamel fluorosis is a dose-related mottling of enamel, which is permanent once a child's teeth are formed. It is described as a toxic effect caused by fluoride interfering with ameloblasts in the developing tooth, resulting in a disruption of the process of enamel formation making it ever more porous."
this is one of the least of the concerns of fluoride.
FLUORIDE IS A POISON.
Please read about it. |
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LifeMage
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CoffeeHawk_0
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I've heard of this debate. When they started adding flouride to the water in the US, it coincided with many other factors, so it was never clear if flouride was helping or hurting. For kicks, I'd research it before I went out of my way to get it, you never know what you'll find until you start digging. |
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hurugogogo
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Dec 02, 2006 - 12:22 AM |
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Geez, I have never heard of this before!
Is it true or just another urban legend?
Anyway, the benefit of fluoride is primarily topical, not systemic. In other words, you don't have to ingest fluoride to get the benefit. Just use fluoride toothpaste or mouth rinse, and you will get the full benefit.
Fluorosis does happen in children if large amount is ingested before the adult teeth are fully formed, so you have to be careful if you want to use fluoride tablets as you really have to get the concentration right. If your kids tend to swallow toothpaste when they brush their teeth, it's better to let them use children's toothpaste (which has a fluoride concentration around 400ppm, regular adult ones are about 1000ppm) |
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LifeMage
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there are hundreds of reports... pick one.
If you want a real shock, read the link I posted above.
for now...
The Toxic Effects of Fluoride
"The devastating, toxic effects of fluoride are well documented by mainstream organizations. The Journal of the American Medical Association (1990-1992) has reported a greater incidence of hip fractures in fluoridated areas in the U.S. and Britain. TheNew England Journal of Medicine (1990) reported that fluoride treatment of osteoporosis patients resulted in higher hip fracture rates. The governmental National Institute of Environmental and Health Sciences (1990) has shown that fluoride causes cancer. Former promoters of fluoridation have since found that fluoridation does not reduce tooth decay (1987-1988). Scientist at the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (1989-1993) have come out against fluoridation because they have confirmed that it does not reduce tooth decay and that there is clear evidence that fluoride causes cancer. The American Chemical Society published a 17-page cover story (1988) questioning the safety and effectiveness of fluoridation.
In a number of small villages in Sicily, Turkey and India there is naturally occurring fluoride in the water ranging from 0.7 to 5.4 ppm. Here the villagers and their livestock are chronically ill, while neighboring villages with no fluoride have no such illnesses. Premature aging is the overall effect. Children have brown decaying teeth; young adults often have none. Young men are bent over and crippled with pain in their joints and hips. Their skin is wrinkled and they look 60 at age 30 to 40. There is premature hardening of the arteries, loss of appetite & sex drive by age 30. The rate of stillborn miscarriages by 4 months is extremely high.
In the U.S. a disease of brown decaying teeth has been known since 1916. In 1931 it was identified as "dental fluorosis". Bone disorders (skeletal fluorosis, osteoporosis and arthritic pains) from fluoride in the water have been reported in the U.S. In Bartlett, TX (1943-1953) where the water had 8ppm fluoride, the death rate was 3 times higher than in neighboring Cameron, TX with 0.4 ppm fluoride. The U.S. Center for Disease Control and The Safe Water Foundation estimate 30,000 to 50,000 excess deaths each year in areas where there is 1 ppm fluoride in the drinking water, the normal added amount.
Fluoride IS a poison! The 1984 issue of Clinical Toxicology of Commercial Products lists fluoride as more poisonous than lead and just slightly less poisonous than arsenic. It has been used as a pesticide for mice, rats and other small pests. A 10# infant could be killed by 1/100 of an ounce and a 100# adult could be killed by 1/10 of an ounce of fluoride. The Akron Regional Poison Center indicates that a 7 ounce tube of toothpaste contains 199 mg. of fluoride, more than enough to kill a 25# child. Even Procter & Gamble, the maker of Crest, acknowledges that this is true "theoretically, at least." There are documented deaths of infants and children caused by "normal dosage" of fluoride tablets or treatments.
The acceleration of the aging process by fluoride occurs at the bio-chemical level by means of:
1. enzyme inhibition;
2. collagen breakdown;
3. genetic damage; and/or
4. disruption of the immune system per se.
Fluoride damages enzymes which results in a wide range of chronic diseases. Fluoride as low as 1 ppm causes breakdown of collagen, the most abundant of the body's protein at 30%. It also leads to irregular formation of collagen which serves as a major structural component of skin, ligaments, tendons, muscles, cartilage, bones and teeth. The United States Pharmacopoeia lists some of the side effects from drinking 1 to 2 pints daily of municipally fluoridated water. The list includes: nausea, bloody vomit, faintness, stomach cramps, tremors, constipation, aching bones, stiffness, skin rash, weight loss, and brown or black discoloration of the teeth. The 1991 Physicians' Desk Reference lists some of the same side effects from administered doses of fluoride.
Fluoride interacts with the bonds which maintain the normal shape of proteins. With distorted protein, the immune system attacks it's own protein, the body's own tissue. Fluoride (at 1 ppm) in drinking water:
1. damages the immune system by inhibiting the migration rate of white blood cells to infected areas;
2. interferes with phagocytosis (the destruction of bacteria and other foreign agents by white blood cells); and
3. induces the release of superoxide free radicals in resting white blood cells.
This fluoride-induced interference leads to an increased and more prolonged exposure of the body to foreign materials and leads to the release of free radicals which damage the body and leads to a further acceleration of the aging process.
Proctor and Gamble studies which they published in Mutation Research, 1989, showed that fluoride at less than 1 ppm caused genetic damage in Chinese hamsters. Many studies make it clear that fluoride causes genetic damage. The mechanism cannot be exactly pinpointed because fluoride interferes with a number of physiological processes. Most evidence indicates that it acts on the DNA Repair Enzyme System. It may also interfere with DNA synthesis or act directly on the DNA. In any case, damaged DNA and a slowed down DNA Repair Enzyme System lead to a snowballing cycle of aging > damage > aging > damage, etc. If the unrepaired DNA damage occurs in a cell which gives rise to a sperm or egg cell, the damage will be replicated in every cell of the offspring's body and will lead to a birth defect. Unrepaired damage of a segment of DNA responsible for control of cell growth can lead to tumors and/or cancer.
In the 1930s, H. Trendly Dean of the U.S. Public Health Service conducted extensive surveys which showed that as fluoride levels in the water increased, so did the incidence of dental fluorosis. Then Dr. Gerald Cox, on the staff of the Mellon Institute (the Mellons owned ALCOA Aluminum, a fluoride-polluting industry), claimed that if some fluoride was bad for teeth, a smaller amount was good and should be added to the water. In the late 1930s, Dean started publishing purposely skewed data to show that fluoride caused reduction in tooth decay. The USPHS was under the jurisdiction of Treasury Secretary Andrew Mellon, founder of ALCOA. Dr. Cox convinced a Wisconsin dentist, J. J. Frisch, to promote the addition of fluoride to the water supply. This was the beginning of the infiltration into the ADA & the AMA all to find an outlet for the by-product fluoride from the phosphate fertilizer and the aluminum industries. The rest of the conspiracy is too long and involved to present here, but you are referred to the book which is the basis of this report." |
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LifeMage
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It really is a sad, sad thing. Fluoride is deadly, yet it is pumped into us through multiple sources.
We are led to believe this poison somehow is beneficial for our health, when in reality it is a toxic waste product.
They can't even dump this stuff into landfills. I really urge people reading this to do some research and find out the truth.
or we can believe this shite...
"How Does Fluoride Work?
There's fluoride in your toothpaste and even in your water. But how does it work to keep teeth healthy? Let's find out.
Fluoride is a natural element found in the earth's crust as well as in water and air. It's also considered a nutrient because our bodies need fluoride to grow and develop properly. Decades ago, scientists discovered that kids who naturally had more fluoride in their drinking water had fewer cavities. In the mid-1940s, communities started to put more fluoride in their water supplies to protect people against tooth decay.
Fluoride helps because, when teeth are growing, it mixes with tooth enamel - that hard coating on your teeth. That prevents tooth decay, or cavities. But fluoride can help even after your teeth are formed. It works with saliva to protect tooth enamel from plaque and sugars. By using fluoride toothpaste, for instance, everyone can enjoy some cavity protection. Fewer cavities means healthier teeth when you're an adult - and less chance of having to wear false teeth (dentures) when you're old!
So how do you get your fluoride? Ask your dentist the next time you have an appointment. In addition to fluoride toothpaste, he or she might recommend a mouthwash that has fluoride in it. And if your drinking water doesn't have fluoride in it, your dentist might suggest supplements - which are like vitamins containing fluoride. Just how effective is fluoridated water? Thanks to it, dentists say half of kids between 5 and 17 have never had a cavity in their permanent teeth. We hope you're one of them!"
My GOD! that is scarey!!! |
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yu888
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LifeMage
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I honestly thought most people knew about it.
I was shocked to see the posts here promoting it. |
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LifeMage
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I might as well debunk that propaganda above...
First of all, fluoride is NOT "a natural element found in the earth's crust as well as in water and air."
Fluoride is nowhere to be found in the periodic table of elements. That would be Fluorine.
When fluorine is used in the production of alluminum (as well as other industries) one of it's toxic waste by-products, is sodium Fluoride.
Far from being, "considered a nutrient because our bodies need fluoride to grow and develop properly."
Fluoride is the main ingredient in rat and cockroach poisons, other pesticides, herbicides as well as lovely stuff like Sarin nerve gas.
Hmm? sounds like a nutrient! And when they say, "kids who naturally had more fluoride in their drinking water had fewer cavities."
What they really mean is, they had fewer teeth.
As stated above, when fluoride levels rise so do cases of dental fluorosis
AND dental fluorosis is recognized by scientists world-wide as the first clinical sign of fluoride poisoning.
It's true that "In the mid-1940s, communities started to put more fluoride in their water supplies."
Just maybe not the "communities" you'd expect, the first documented fluoridation of water supplies
was estabished in the ghettos of Nazi Germany. And trust me, it wasn't "to protect people against tooth decay."
It was to make people infertile and passive. Fluoride is also the active ingredient in drugs such as Prozac.
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CoffeeHawk_0
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Ingesting Flouride helps keep the secret microchips lubricated and working at top efficiency. |
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LifeMage
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go wash your mouth out with colgate, coffeehawk! |
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Megs
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This makes me think of that Simpson's episode where Lisa needs braces, and the dentist is working on Ralph (I think) and to scare him brings out a book called "The Big Book of British Smiles". 
LifeMage - What toothpaste would you recommend that doesn't have fluoride in it? Especially here where I can't read the ingredients on the package. Do "all natural toothpastes" (I can't remember any brand names at the moment) have any fluoride in them?
I don't think I've ever seen bottled water with fluoride in it, but maybe I'm just blind. |
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General Jack D. Ripper: You know when fluoridation first began?
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: I... no, no. I don't, Jack.
General Jack D. Ripper: Nineteen hundred and forty-six. Nineteen forty-six, Mandrake. How does that coincide with your post-war Commie conspiracy, huh? It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard-core Commie works.
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Uh, Jack, Jack, listen, tell me, tell me, Jack. When did you first... become... well, develop this theory?
General Jack D. Ripper: Well, I, uh... I... I... first became aware of it, Mandrake, during the physical act of love.
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Hmm.
General Jack D. Ripper: Yes, a uh, a profound sense of fatigue... a feeling of emptiness followed. Luckily I... I was able to interpret these feelings correctly. Loss of essence.
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Hmm.
General Jack D. Ripper: I can assure you it has not recurred, Mandrake. Women uh... women sense my power and they seek the life essence. I, uh... I do not avoid women, Mandrake.
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: No.
General Jack D. Ripper: But I... I do deny them my essence. |
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LifeMage
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LifeMage
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Megs, I brought over a whole bunch of natural toothpastes from back home,
as well as natural deodorants.
I won't get into it here, but most deodorants and all anti-perspirants
contain (among other terrible things) aluminum,
a known neurotoxin linked to many illnesses, particularly Alzheimer's disease.
I've used TCM toothpastes here before...I'll look into what's available. |
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yu888
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CoffeeHawk_0
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but we can't get carried away...the body needs iron, magnesium, zinc, and other METALS, there 's a big difference between aluminum and alumina which is actually what's in deodorant.
On the other hand, ever wonder what happens to all that teflon that comes off your teflon coated frying pans and goes into your food? It sits in your body forever and clogs up your intestines, muah ha ha. |
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lancesidecar
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bougie
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If anybody says beer is bad, that means war !!! |
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bougie
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^ WOW ... lancesidecar. Are you my detatched twin and we think alike? |
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lancesidecar
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My guess is that we were born as Siamese twins in the wilderness somewhere and that AJJ was the closest thing to a doctor in the area and he was forced to separate us because we scared the local folk so bad but there were no proper sterilization fluids nearby so they had to use beer to keep the infections out and somehow we now can only exist without flipping out through the aid of nice fresh icy cold beer. |
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LifeMage
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| does beer have fluoride? |
"Beers brewed in locations with high fluoride water levels may contribute significantly to the daily fluoride intake, particularly in alcohol misusing subjects and this may contribute to alcohol-associated bone disease." - Warnakulasuriya S, et al. (2002). Fluoride content of alcoholic beverages. Clinica Chimica Acta 320: 1-4.
"Soda pop and beer bottled with fluoridated water contain 0.7 to 1 ppm fluoride; consumption of these beverages is almost certainly more variable among individuals than consumption of water... If beer contains 0.7 ppm fluoride, heavy beer-drinkers may ingest more than 4 mg daily from beer alone." - Groth, E. (1973), Two Issues of Science and Public Policy: Air Pollution Control in the San Francisco Bay Area, and Fluoridation of Community Water Supplies. Ph.D. Dissertation, Department of Biological Sciences, Stanford University, May 1973. |
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