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underh20
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Feb 06, 2007 - 08:45 AM |
 
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| The figure is six million because that's the number of fathers, mothers, wives, husbands, sons and daughters who disappeared forever, you lunatic Jew-hating c0ck! I can imagine some consfusion about where they all went! |
No, the figure is approximately six million or, even slightly more accurate is six million at most. But accuracy is irrelevant in the academic world when the topic stokes one's passions, isn't it?
In any event, you seem to have forgotten the other approximately five million fathers, mothers, wives, husbands, sons and daughters who disappeared forever. Please tell us it is not a Freudian slip. |
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wolfy
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frenchlover1999
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She's also the holding the sword of truth.
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Sooner or later the truth will be known. |
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frenchlover1999
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Feb 06, 2007 - 10:17 AM |
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3. What you have said in this thread, Frenchy, is heinous. It's despicable. I have seen you say all sorts of nonsensical things, but this! This is too much. To deny the Holocaust! You are crossing the line here, and you are entering a territory inhabited by lunatics, fascists and bigots.
Please, I beg you, ask yourself: is the evidence I have for my denial any good? Or have I simply trawled google for neofascist revisions of one of the worst atrocities in the history of the human race? Have you seriouslyu studied it? Have you read aby serious, peeer-reviewed books on the subject? Have you spoken to any who survived? Face-to-frickin-face? Have you? Have you? Have you?
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I am not denying mass murdering of civilians by the Germans and the Japanese during WW2. On the contrary, I am saying they killed tens of millions of people, that you and history books have forgotten because they were never powerful, never had money and influence, never sought revenge at the expense of others. I deny the myth of the "Holocaust" with its shameless focusing on one category of people, its forged stories and fake figures and how it has been used by zionists - Hitler's best allies. I deny the existence of homicidal gas chambers, i.e. gas chambers has a mean of mass execution, which did not mean that mass executions did not happen using more traditional means. Btw my ancestors have fought facism in Italy, Spain, France and North Africa. They were communists. More - many more - communists and citizens of communists countries died in the hand of the Germans and Japanese. But it doesnt give me the right to whine for half a century and to invade others countries somewhere in the Middle East. |
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Borodino
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Feb 06, 2007 - 05:24 PM |
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"Whine"? That's what Jews do, huh? They whine.
Nobody denies that others died. Nobody denies it or forgets it. The only person who denies an atrocity is you, in that you deny the existence of the chambers on no evidence whatsoever.
Do you somehow imagine that your lunatic denials honor the others who died? Do you imagine you're doing them a good turn by spreading your poisonous little lies? Do you imagine that what you're doing is decent?
Under: I didn't mention the other five million because, for some reason, nobody denies the evidence when it comes to gypsys, Slavs, Catholics, communists and Jehovah's witnesses. For some reason, for some strange, weird reason, they only deny the evidence when it comes to the Jews. For some strange reason, the people who deny the existence of the gas chambers also, for some equally strange reason, post innumerable articles claiming that Jews are responsible for everything wrong in the world today.
I propose that this strange reason is pretty frickin simple: those people hate the Jews. Resent them, fear them and despise them. The thought that they may have suffered an incredible and systematic campaign of extermination makes these people choke with rage. They imagine themselves to be the victims; how dare the Jews steal their thunder! |
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frenchlover1999
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Feb 06, 2007 - 06:41 PM |
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For some strange, weird reason (or is it that strange and weird) history books - not to mention the general population - have almost forgotten the tens of millions of non-Jews who died in the war. If you ask French kids about WW2, they only know about the Holocaust, they know nothing about what happened in the USSR, lets not talk about Asia (apart from Pearl Harbour and the atomic bombing). We see dozens of movied made about the killing of Jews and are reminded of it all the time. They have major ceremonies every year, where the current German government and many others, come to apologize and repent again and again. We have presidential elections in France this year - it is compulsory for every candidate to pay respect to the French Jewish Association and to Israel. French, German, Austrian and a few other countries law have criminalized various degrees of "holocaust denial" (in France you cannot even say that historians should be free to study it and could be allowed to deviate from the official line). We dont see this happening with the killing of communists/soviets/slavs/chinese/etc. And I notice that those other categories or communities have never used previous injustices - some far greater than the "holocaust" - to oppress other nations. China is a great example - in spite of all the crying about how the Chinese government is racist and irresponsible on the Japanese occupation issue (imagine anyone saying the same thing about the Nazi occupation!!! - such a HATE CRIME it would be!) - they havent tried to occupy foreign land as a compensation, they dont have their militia going around disfiguring their opponents with acid, they dont even have this army of whiners (writers, artists, political activists) ready to jump and shout "hate crime" at every opportunity. |
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frenchlover1999
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Feb 06, 2007 - 06:44 PM |
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There was a couple of threads in this forum about the Nanjing massacres etc. Many posters complain the Chinese are doing too much, in fact are a bunch of whiners, it wasnt that bad etc. Try writing the same thing, about the German crimes towards the Jews, in a European internet forum. Try this in France: the website will be closed down, you will be prosecuted, you will be punished (fine, perhaps jail time). Here, in one of the world's worst dictatorship, a communist regime from the dark ages, with an army of cyberpolicemen (how many are they? 40,000 in some huge Beijing ministry?)... nothing. |
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frenchlover1999
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Feb 06, 2007 - 06:44 PM |
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I think its time we read 1984 again. |
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Borodino
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Feb 06, 2007 - 07:10 PM |
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So what you mean to do, by consciously misrepresenting the facts about the extermination of the Jews, is to highlight the plight of the Slavs, communists, Jehovah's witnesses, pacifists, social democrats and so on? So when you say the gas chambers were an impossibility, you'rte actually striking a blow in the interests of the many others who died? You're not a Holocaust denier; you're just campaigning for the rights of the forgotten dead? That's how it is, huh?
Nonsense. It's very clear what you're doing. If you wanted us to remember the Slavs, you would discuss them -- and I doubt you'd find anyone who disagreed much. But you're not really interested in them, or in the communists or the gypsys -- you're interested in striking one against the Jews, who you see as a self-obsessed race manipulating the media to foreground their own plight above anyone else's. It makes you angry and resentful, because you, in common with all other antisemites, consider yourself to be their victim. Your hatred of the Jews is all-consuming: it is exhibited in virtually every post on virtually every subject.
And the fact that you could be imprisoned for it in France! What glamour this confers! You revel in it, you poor Jew-baiting fool. If there was no threat to you for spouting this nonsense, what would you be? Another burbling moron in the windier corner of the Internet limbo. As it is, you are able to imagine yourself as a martyr. Oh, it's sick.
And still no evidence. No references. Nothing to support your careless claims. Just a lot of guff and (what you imagine to be) nimble fancy-footing, but which is, in fact, the clumsy maneuvering of a desperately lost, hopelessly obsessed and pathetically under-informed Jew-basher.
Yeah, read 1984 again. Read the bit about the anti-Goldstein hate meeting-- the evil, shadowy omnispresent Jew. Read that bit, you lunatic. |
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frenchlover1999
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Feb 06, 2007 - 07:28 PM |
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I like this one. The zionists and the Nazis were in complete agreement in their racial view of the world. As for self-obsessed, the facts speak for themselves. |
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underh20
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Feb 06, 2007 - 09:00 PM |
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| Under: I didn't mention the other five million because, for some reason, nobody denies the evidence when it comes to gypsys, Slavs, Catholics, communists and Jehovah's witnesses. For some reason, for some strange, weird reason, they only deny the evidence when it comes to the Jews. For some strange reason, the people who deny the existence of the gas chambers also, for some equally strange reason, post innumerable articles claiming that Jews are responsible for everything wrong in the world today. |
I'm glad you clarified that because I was beginning to believe that the Holocaust was a strictly Jewish event. It's a little weird that, for an event that was approximately only 50% Jewish, it's basically only the Jews that are slapping people in the face with this event at every opportunity a mere sixty years after it happened. I mean, are there literally dozens of Communist organizations basking in the glory of being victimized over half a century ago? Why is it if we use word association very few people will associate Holocaust with, say, gypsies or Catholics or Communists?
Two words: Public Relations. Two more words: Vested Interest. The Jews use public relations tactics in order to preserve their vested interests in remaining The Victims. Frankly, sixty years after the fact it is all beginning to sound like a broken record in much the same manner as descendents of slaves, five times removed, looking for reparations over the evils white people imposed over blacks two hundred years ago. Who freaking cares?
Are the Jews responsible for everything wrong in the world today? Of course not. As a whole, Jews are people much like any other. The State of Israel, however, is different. The Israelis are responsible for many things wrong in the Middle East that, unfortunately, is having a direct effect on us. Perhaps if they weren't modern day Nazis themselves, more of us would find a moment or two to attend their 60-year-old pity party. |
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rayfish
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Feb 06, 2007 - 09:23 PM |
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Underh20 wrote:
"The Jews use public relations tactics in order to preserve their vested interests in remaining The Victims. Frankly, sixty years after the fact it is all beginning to sound like a broken record in much the same manner as descendents of slaves, five times removed, looking for reparations over the evils white people imposed over blacks two hundred years ago. Who freaking cares?"
Wow, what a piece of art! Tell us please, just one more time, about how 'we' civilized first-world taxpayers pay for AIDS treatment in the developing countries, about how the suburban upright man from Melbourne or London bears the burden of the lack of 'personal accountability' of Africans. Pleeeeeeeeeze! I need my daily dose of scholardom. |
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underh20
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Feb 06, 2007 - 09:28 PM |
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RawFish, that was already proven to you. In addition to your IQ issues, your memory problems are starting to surface. |
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frenchlover1999
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Feb 06, 2007 - 10:59 PM |
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By the way, has anyone ever wondered why its ok for Israel to have the nuclear bomb, while for Iran it would be a major crime that would lead to a new holocaust? And dont give me the Chinese answer that it is the supremely intelligent Jews who invented the bomb in the first place. |
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underh20
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Feb 06, 2007 - 11:07 PM |
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That's a good question, FL. Hopefully Borodino can shed some light on this issue. |
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wolfy
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Feb 07, 2007 - 12:19 AM |
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And the fact that you could be imprisoned for it in France! What glamour this confers! You revel in it, you poor Jew-baiting fool. If there was no threat to you for spouting this nonsense, what would you be? Another burbling moron in the windier corner of the Internet limbo. As it is, you are able to imagine yourself as a martyr. Oh, it's sick.
And still no evidence. No references. Nothing to support your careless claims. Just a lot of guff and (what you imagine to be) nimble fancy-footing, but which is, in fact, the clumsy maneuvering of a desperately lost, hopelessly obsessed and pathetically under-informed Jew-basher.
Yeah, read 1984 again. Read the bit about the anti-Goldstein hate meeting-- the evil, shadowy omnispresent Jew. Read that bit, you lunatic. |
Exactly, FL couldn’t give a shi’t about the Palestinians; it’s all a blatant ruse to give some credence to his hatred towards Jews. If he did care for the plight of the Palestinians he would understand that holocaust denial does not help their cause.
Get back to reading Mein Kampf, FL. |
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underh20
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Feb 07, 2007 - 07:39 AM |
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| If he did care for the plight of the Palestinians he would understand that holocaust denial does not help their cause. |
Can you please elaborate on that point? How does holocaust denial play into the cause of the Palestinians? |
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wolfy
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Feb 07, 2007 - 09:08 AM |
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It doesn't. As I have stated before, The battle between Israel and the Arab world will never be won on the battlefield; it will be won in the minds of the global public, in particular the US public. In which case, as long as people in power (like Ahmedinejad) and idiots (like FL) spread hate and advocate denial of the holocaust, no-one is going to take the Palestinian cause seriously. It plays directly into the hands of Zionists. |
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underh20
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Feb 07, 2007 - 09:15 AM |
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Ok, I'm confused. Holocaust denial helps the Zionist cause? I do not get the link between holocaust denial and winning the minds of the global public. If anything, I would think that throwing the holocaust into the public's face every once in a while will make the public more sympathetic to the "plight" of Israel.
I think I do understand, however, how the the battle can only be won in the minds of the US public. If public support weren't behind Israel, Israel would have little choice but to concede. Is that correct? |
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wolfy
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Feb 07, 2007 - 09:23 AM |
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Basically, yes. It's no different to South Africa in the 1980s. I remember getting thrown out of a supermarket because my sister tipped out a cart of South African apples on the floor. If people heard a South African in a pub in England everyone would turn and stare at them and no-one would speak to them.
This what I propose the public should do with Israeli citizens you meet internationally. After a while it trickles back to the government that they are hated wherever they go and have to change their domestic policies.
Put them in the freezer until they learn to be a civil society. |
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underh20
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Feb 07, 2007 - 09:28 AM |
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| Put them in the freezer until they learn to be a civil society. |
You know, I think that may work. I just hope it doesn't have to be one heck of a long deep freeze. |
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Feb 07, 2007 - 09:30 AM |
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I guess the argument goes that denying historical fact makes you look stupid. If you adamantly something that is obviously incorrect then it calls into question all of your facts and arguments no matter how correct they happen to be. |
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Borodino
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Feb 07, 2007 - 09:16 PM |
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When did I say it was acceptable for Israel to have the bomb? In your opinion, would the fact that the gas-chambers actually existed somehow justify the bomb? Have I, anywhere, drawn any link whatsoever between the modern state of Israel and the question of whether the gas-chambers existed?
If you're asking me whether I would say that the treatment of the Palestinians was in any way justified by the Holocaust, would you like to bet on what I'd say? Ditto the bomb. Would you also care for a small wager on the question of how important I think the deaths of Slavs or gypsys are? Or on the question of whether I think they happened at all? You already know. I have denied these things nowhere. No argument.
At the end of the day, this argument centres on the question of whether the gas-chambers were real. And let's remember here that Frenchy has denied this on no evidence whatsoever, and he has done so because he hates Jews. (Something he has nowhere denied.) He has yet to retract, and in fact has compounded his original lies with further, insane figures (plucked, apparently, from his own fundament). He is a Holocaust denier. He is the one denying the evidence and offering none. |
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underh20
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Feb 07, 2007 - 09:22 PM |
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^ I don't think he was saying you specifically, but the international community (i.e. the USA). |
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Borodino
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Feb 07, 2007 - 10:04 PM |
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^ And has he yet retracted his contention that the gas-chambers were impossible and that, as we understand it, the Holocaust did not happen? Is his starting point for discussion of this subject still a pack of rancid Jew-baiting lies? |
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