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wolfy
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underh20
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Jan 30, 2007 - 08:39 PM |
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WTF??? FrenchLover withdrew a post????  |
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frenchlover1999
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Jan 30, 2007 - 09:43 PM |
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What did I withdraw? As for the "engineering impossibility" - we are talking about using highly toxic gasses in huge collective bathroom-style barracks that were not properly sealed. Look at the America gas chambers used to execute criminals (I dont think they are used anymore) - designed only for one person, requiring extreme safety procedures to operate. Gas chambers did not exist. Thats why they were never found!!! Of course it doesnt mean that about one millions Jews did not die during WW2, along with 25+ millions Soviet citizens, 15+ millions Chinese and many others. |
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rayfish
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Jan 30, 2007 - 11:28 PM |
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| requiring extreme safety procedures to operate. |
Let's be serious here. |
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theAutumn45
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Jan 30, 2007 - 11:53 PM |
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It happened in Canada; a teacher lost his job as he claimed something never happened.
Ha … this world …
There is the problem of double standards on the world stage, one mainly for the poor and the disadvantaged. The other one could be twisted and shaped to suit the riches. |
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rayfish
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Jan 30, 2007 - 11:54 PM |
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Frenchlover on facts:
"less than 2 millions Jews killed by Germans"
later in this thread:
"Of course it doesnt mean that about one millions Jews did not die during WW2"
What about Chinese killed by Japanese:
"(over 10 millions Chinese civilians killed)"
later in this thread:
"15+ millions Chinese"
Facts? Who cares? We are educating the masses... |
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theAutumn45
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Time to forget and time to forgive:
CCTV to Screen Series on Japan
As Chinese-Japanese relations thaw, the national television network has announced plans for a series on Japanese society to be launched in early March
The 20-part series, called Yansong: Eyes on Japan, comes as details are finalized for Premier Wen Jiabao's visit to Japan in April.
Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe visited China last October.
"We thought we were familiar with Japan, but it's not the case," said well-known TV personality Bai Yansong, who will present the programs. "Actually it's a country many Chinese people haven't had the chance to learn about."
"As a national broadcasting company and China's largest network, it's our duty to provide a comprehensive and objective view of Japan," he added.
CCTV will send its largest ever team of journalists to Japan on March 4 to begin working on the series.
Their 15-20 day screening schedule will cover exclusive interviews with at least 10 Japanese figures in fields ranging from politics and economics to the arts.
Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe and his wife Akie Abe, former Japanese Prime Minister Tomiichi Murayama, famous author Junichi Watanabe, and actor Ken Takakura, all well known in China, will be interviewed.
Several documentaries will also be produced, covering topics like Japanese history, the nation's animation industry, sumo wrestling, the younger generation, and the aging society.
"I think many Chinese citizens have not had the opportunity to know Japan particularly well, especially information about our history after World War II and contemporary Japan," said Keiji Ide, minister of the Embassy of Japan in Beijing, "We hope we can show them the real Japan through this series."
Ide said he hoped the project would contribute to Japan's efforts to boost China-Japan ties and promised to try his best to help with the interviews.
The programs will be broadcast during prime time on CCTV-1 in March; during the month, CCTV's news channel and some live news programs will also be dedicated to Japan. The series will finish airing before Premier Wen visits Japan in April.
(China Daily January 30, 2007) |
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rayfish
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Jan 31, 2007 - 07:20 AM |
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Forget? Why? Because a Chinese leader is going to Japan?
The Chinese people will never forget.
Forgive? Who? The Japanese people? Yes, they are not responsible for what happened, but the Japanese government? Why should we 'forgive' a government that continues to falsify its own history...that honors war criminals...that persecutes those who tell the truth? |
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shanghaiceltic
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Having seen documentaries on the death camps, read accounts of those that were in them I cannot see how people can say they have never existed. Were the films made by film crews all a put up job? Were the hundreds of accounts from inmates all collusion?
The problem with the Yasakuni shrine is that several convicted war criminals are intered there. I have no problem with any nation remembering their war dead. But the problem still exists in Japan where ultra right wingers see no problem with denying the attrocities committed by the Japanese and worshiping those that were executed for war crimes. Some are in the local govt others in the Diet. They control the education system and by default the denial of what Japan did.
At the Yasakuni the weekend after Hiroshima Day you can see the masses of ultra right wingers gathering. If you are a foreigner it is not a good place to be on that day. It is hostile, which is unusual for Japan.
In China there has also been denial of events from 1949 onwards. There lies the rub, both countries have people in power or with influence denying what happened in their respective countries. There is a collective forgetfulness.
China has been good at using the 'War of Aggression Against Japan' as a means of creating mass prοtest at times when the Chinese Govt is upset over deal between Japan and Russia or Japanese exploration of disputed areas of the South China Sea or the string of islands that stretch out from southern Japan.
This film will provide more ammo for the govt here and will also show once again that the Japanese cannot come to terms with their 20th Century history. |
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underh20
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Jan 31, 2007 - 09:56 AM |
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Forget? Why? Because a Chinese leader is going to Japan? The Chinese people will never forget.
Forgive? Who? The Japanese people? Yes, they are not responsible for what happened, but the Japanese government? Why should we 'forgive' a government that continues to falsify its own history...that honors war criminals...that persecutes those who tell the truth? |
RawFish, you are so full of $hit. You bring stupidity to new and exciting lows. |
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Borodino
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I dunno. If were hurling around accusations that someone were full of ****, I'd probably be hurling it at the guy who denied the systematic murder of 6 million Jews. But hey, maybe it's because I'm a Zionist tool of the media etc. |
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underh20
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Got a point there. |
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Kiwi
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I wonder if we will ever hear about mentally handicapped, homosexual gypsies hunting down 90 year old war criminals in Argentina? |
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underh20
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| I wonder if we will ever hear about mentally handicapped, homosexual gypsies hunting down 90 year old war criminals in Argentina? |
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Borodino
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Jan 31, 2007 - 11:30 AM |
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If we do hear about mentally-hadicapped homosexual gypsys hunting down 90-year old war criminals in Argentina, tell me. There's a Pullitzer winning essay I'll be needing to write about it. |
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rayfish
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Jan 31, 2007 - 11:54 AM |
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"RawFish, you are so full of $hit. You bring stupidity to new and exciting lows"
Doh! |
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underh20
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Jan 31, 2007 - 11:57 AM |
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^ See? You even  up Homer Simpson. 
You're the load that should have been swallowed. Blame your mother. |
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frenchlover1999
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Having seen documentaries on the death camps, read accounts of those that were in them I cannot see how people can say they have never existed. Were the films made by film crews all a put up job? Were the hundreds of accounts from inmates all collusion?
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So you think documentaries and books make history? Wrong.
In fact, noone denies German death camps existed and tens of millions of people died during WW2. What we deny is mainly:
1- Homicidal gas chambers. They never existed. Even the one at Auschwitz is a mockup built after the war.
2- The "6 millions Jews" - its less than one millions. Of course its still too many.
Apart from the inflated numbers, why this ethnic and religious view of the world, where Jews are more important than others - gypsies, communists, resistants, citizens of the soviet unions, chinese - who died by the tens of millions? Interesting to see how this myth has been used by Israel to impose their will in the Middle East and oppress the Palestinians for more than half a century. |
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underh20
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Feb 01, 2007 - 12:39 AM |
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| Apart from the inflated numbers, why this ethnic and religious view of the world, where Jews are more important than others - gypsies, communists, resistants, citizens of the soviet unions, chinese - who died by the tens of millions? Interesting to see how this myth has been used by Israel to impose their will in the Middle East and oppress the Palestinians for more than half a century. |
This part I can probably agree with.
I'm not sure of the inflated numbers or gas chambers because I never really thought to examine the issue. |
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theAutumn45
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Feb 01, 2007 - 02:01 AM |
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Forget? Why? Because a Chinese leader is going to Japan?
The Chinese people will never forget.
Forgive? Who? The Japanese people? Yes, they are not responsible for what happened, but the Japanese government? Why should we 'forgive' a government that continues to falsify its own history...that honors war criminals...that persecutes those who tell the truth? |
Thanks. Maybe I should revise it to - Time to forget and time to forgive, but not deny.
However we have to break the cycle, otherwise, it never ends. |
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Borodino
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Frenchy: again, yet again, what is your source?
You don't believe the following: the first-person, eye-witness testimony of literally hundreds of thousands of people; thousands of substantiating documents; official statements of Nazi policy; the existence of thousands of actual empty canisters of Zyklon B; the physical evidence of the chambers themselves -- the bricks of which are permeated with Zyklon B; the mass graves; the photos.
I've been the Groeningen, where the gypsys and homosexuals are commemorated too. I've been to Aucshwitz. I knew people who had been in Auschwitz and Bergen Belsen. I've seen the tatoos on people's arms. I've seen the photos. I've read the first-hand accounts. So -- and call me a tool of Zionism here -- I believe in the existence of the gas chambers.
What's your source? What single scrap of evidence do you have?
Now, I personally believe that you have the right to make a fool of yourself in any way that you see fit. You can deny what you want and say what you want. I personlly don't believe that being a fool deserves imprisonment. But if you want to be taken seriously, you have to prove that what you say is true.
This is something that I have never seen you do. Never. |
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rayfish
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Feb 01, 2007 - 07:02 AM |
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Frenchlover's Real-time Revisionism:
first: "less than 2 millions Jews killed by Germans"
later: "Of course it doesnt mean that about one millions Jews did not die during WW2"
most recent: "The "6 millions Jews" - its less than one millions"
Revisionism is not about evidence, it's about the use of the big lie: repeating false information to play on the fears and ignorance of those who seek someone to blame. The flipside of this is "collective guilt," the idea that Germans or Japanese as a people should feel "guilty" for the crimes of their rulers. Revisionists exploit this misplaced self-blaming. Remember Hitler used the "collective blame" clauses in the Treaty of Versailles to thump the table: Why should the people of Germany be held responsible for the carnage of the First World War? Fear and guilt are respectively encouraged and exploited by different factions of rulers to maintain or promote their nationalist agendas. |
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frenchlover1999
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It seems nobody here ever wondered why there is no homicidal gas chamber to be seen. In Auschwitz they have a mockup, build after the war. There was no eye witness account of gas chambers before several years after the end of WW2. Nobel Prize winner Elie Wiesel, a leading zionist propaganda and a victim of German oppression, wrote about great bonfires, in pit where the Germans threw people by the dozen. This one was later dropped, as nobody could believe it. Its the Soviets who actually came up with the gas chamber story, which later became official line. By the way, the Nazis never made soap and lampshades with Jews' skins (neither did the North Korean with Christians and Chinese with F*L*ng*ng practitioners - see last years "news"). Wake up guys. Tens of millions of people dies in WW2. If you want to categorize them, you will see the "winners" are communists, Chinese, Russians and various slavic people, followed (far behind) by Jews. I wonder if China could use this excuse to retake Taiwan and perhaps invade a few other neighboring countries, as Israel did? |
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underh20
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| the existence of thousands of actual empty canisters of Zyklon B; the physical evidence of the chambers themselves -- the bricks of which are permeated with Zyklon B; |
Do you have any verifiable sources / evidence of that? I have never heard of anybody claiming to have found traces of Zyklon B. |
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frenchlover1999
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Zyklon B is so highly toxic that everyone in the camp, including the guards, would have died. |
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