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tomnoddy_uk
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She has a point.
China blames the west for global warming
By Mure Dickie in Beijing
Published: February 6 2007 18:07 | Last updated: February 6 2007 18:07
Rich industrialised nations must take the lead in cutting greenhouse gases since they bear the “unshirkable responsibility” for causing global warming, a Chinese official said on Tuesday.
The comments by a foreign ministry spokeswoman underscore China’s determination not to allow international action on climate change to undermine its economic development.
Rapid economic growth, a huge population and inefficient industry have made China the world’s second largest carbon emitter after the US – new data show that power generating capacity in the country in 2006 expanded by an amount equal to the entire capacity of the UK and Thailand combined. But the country’s per capita emissions have remained far below the global average.
“It must be pointed out that climate change has been caused by the long-term historic emissions of developed countries and their high per-capita emissions,” Reuters news agency quoted Jiang Yu, a foreign ministry spokeswoman, at a briefing on Tuesday.
“Developed countries bear an unshirkable responsibility,” Ms Jiang said.
The United Nation’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change said last week that human activity was likely to cause global temperatures to rise about 3 degrees celsius by 2100, causing water shortages, heatwaves, storms and floods.
Beijing’s top weather bureau official said on Tuesday China was serious about tackling climate change but needs time to introduce the advanced environmental technology available to developed countries.
Qin Dahe, head of the China Meteorological Administration, said Chinese per capita emissions in 2000 were just 0.65 tonnes per person - one fifth of levels in Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development countries.
There have been recent signs that Beijing is preparing to take a more activist approach on curbing emissions, following a official government enquiry that concluded warming could intensify China’s water shortages and undermine agriculture.
“The Chinese government takes the problem of climate change extremely seriously - President Hu Jintao has said that it is not just an environmental issue but a development issue,” Mr Qin said.
Wen Jiabao, the premier, was also “very seriously” pushing officials at all levels to achieve the government target of improving energy efficiency by 4 per cent a year, he said.
However, the comments by Ms Jiang and Mr Qin offer no encouragement for international critics who feel that China should impose limits on its greenhouse gas emissions.
Beijing has been reluctant to discuss what role it might play in carbon curbs after the present provisions of the Kyoto Protocol expire in 2012.
Along with India and other developing countries, China was exempted from emissions curbs under the protocol, which was anyway never ratified by the US.
Mr Qin made clear that other countries should not expect too much of China.
“As a developing country with a fast growing economy and large population, it will require a great deal of money to completely change the energy structure and adopt clean energy,” he said.
China would “need time” to catch up with the US, Europe and Japan in the use of clean energy technology, he said.
Chinese analysts have in the past expressed disappointment with the level of environmental technology transfer, a key goal of the Kyoto Protocol.
However, Beijing is benefiting from trading schemes set up under the protocol that are intended to find the most efficient ways to cut total emissions by allowing companies and countries to buy “carbon credits” that represent reductions achieved in China.
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horsemandk
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Feb 08, 2007 - 12:16 AM |
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Well, the US is still the most polluting country in the world and how many people live there (compared to China)? |
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shanghaiceltic
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Feb 08, 2007 - 07:20 AM |
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“It must be pointed out that climate change has been caused by the long-term historic emissions of developed countries and their high per-capita emissions,” Reuters news agency quoted Jiang Yu, a foreign ministry spokeswoman, at a briefing on Tuesday.
“Developed countries bear an unshirkable responsibility,” Ms Jiang said. |
True but China still has a responsibility for cleaning up. If as they say they are not historically responsible then at least they could put in place better controls. The US does not help by shirking nor Europe. The so call trading of carbon emissions is an accountants trick and will do nothing.
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| Qin Dahe, head of the China Meteorological Administration, said Chinese per capita emissions in 2000 were just 0.65 tonnes per person - one fifth of levels in Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development countries. |
Based on 1.3 billion people that is still an awfull lot. |
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underh20
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Feb 08, 2007 - 09:02 AM |
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They're all going to be arguing about this until we're all living in make-shift floating cities. Pathetic. |
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shanghaiceltic
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Feb 09, 2007 - 05:20 AM |
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Invest in boatbuilding! |
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sienna
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Feb 09, 2007 - 08:23 AM |
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I just finished watching "An inconvenient truth". I think everyone should watch it.
Did you guys know that if we don't do something soon, half Greenland will disappear and that will lead to lots of places around the world disappear into water, including Shanghai and Beijing, and then from that point strech into inner China. What is most scary is that, that can happen in our generation if we don't do anything soon!!! Buy a hybrid car (they are trendy), don't have the television or computer on if you're not going to use it, start recycling, plant a tree, use low energy lamps, etc etc. |
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CoffeeHawk_0
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Feb 09, 2007 - 08:46 AM |
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how many people recall that Honda CRX's and Volkswagon Golf diesels and Geo Metros of 15~20 years ago have better gas mileage than the 2X more expensive hybrids being sold now? |
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sienna
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Feb 09, 2007 - 09:08 AM |
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Cameron Diaz and Leornado di Caprio drive hybrids, therefore I'm going to,  (if I ever get a driving license *sighs*) |
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underh20
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Feb 09, 2007 - 10:23 AM |
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I just finished watching "An inconvenient truth". I think everyone should watch it.
Did you guys know that if we don't do something soon, half Greenland will disappear and that will lead to lots of places around the world disappear into water, including Shanghai and Beijing, and then from that point strech into inner China. What is most scary is that, that can happen in our generation if we don't do anything soon!!! Buy a hybrid car (they are trendy), don't have the television or computer on if you're not going to use it, start recycling, plant a tree, use low energy lamps, etc etc. |
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tomnoddy_uk
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Feb 09, 2007 - 11:46 AM |
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I didn't enjoy an inconvenient truth.
Here was a man lecturing us about the damage of man, whilst flying over antartica, greenland, the amazon in his private jet, driving round in his SUV.
Hypocritical nonsense.
and the way he weedled his son getting ill in it was kinda cringe worthy too. |
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Henry_Chinaski
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Feb 09, 2007 - 12:29 PM |
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| Cameron Diaz and Leornado di Caprio drive hybrids, therefore I'm going to, (if I ever get a driving license *sighs*) |
What if they are involved in double fisting? Would you say "therefore I'm going to" too?
Very wise decision criteria. Keep it up. |
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underh20
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Feb 09, 2007 - 12:47 PM |
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^ Phucked up even your suicide attempt after having received clear, simple idiot-proof instructions? |
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sienna
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tomnoddy_uk:I think the way he talked about his son was a perfect way to make a metaphor of the nature, that we might lose things that we take for granted. In that way, the effect came stronger.
underh20: it always start with one people, doesnt it? It's not big major changes we are talking about, but little effort leads to big results. |
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tomnoddy_uk
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Feb 09, 2007 - 04:51 PM |
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what relevance does son or his presidential campaign defeat have to do with global warming? bugger all.
this guy has said he has given his speech in 50 odd countries?? how many plane rides is that? how many c02 emissions is that?
self promotiing hypocrite. |
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sienna
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whateveeeeeeeeeeeeer |
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CoffeeHawk_0
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the 3 things that irk me the most about hybrids, and especially fully electric cars is:
1) an electric car has thousands and thousands less parts than a gas car, so they should be able to make it cheaper, not more expensive
2) electric cars are lead batteries, plastic, and power that comes from coal mines and nuclear power plants, all 4 of which are more harmful to the environment than the 99% clean gasoline cars now for sale
3) those batteries are useless in cold areas, carrying around the ~1300 pounds of batteries in cold climates just taxes the gasoline engine more thereby making it get worse gas mileage than a gasoline car.
Sorry sienna, the first things 'they' want to do is to make money off of the global warming scare, there are many areas more in need of being cleaned up, they're just not as friendly to a politicians career, and it's easier to fool the ignormant masses into paying for it than making those responsible pay for it. |
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lalaabc321
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Feb 11, 2007 - 03:00 PM |
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who pull out of tha global treaty?
US or China?
my brain cells ... |
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sienna
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Feb 11, 2007 - 05:49 PM |
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US of course, and they are the ones who release most CO2, selfish bastards... |
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CoffeeHawk_0
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i just read this yesterday, but actually it's mother nature that puts out 2/3 of all C02; compost, exhaled air (you exhale 2kg of C02 every day), farts, plants turning oxygen into energy. C02 is the biggest byproduct of all nature. |
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underh20
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Feb 11, 2007 - 05:58 PM |
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| US of course, and they are the ones who release most CO2, selfish bastards... |
And number two is your homeland, China. And China has the largest percentage increase year after year. Talk about selfish bastards!! |
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CoffeeHawk_0
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China did defend itself by saying that are only about 50th if you look at it from a per person average  |
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underh20
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who pull out of tha global treaty?
US or China?
my brain cells ... |
Why would China pull out if they have no responsibility under the pact until, at a minimum, 2012? The free ride is the best ride. 
Yes, your brain cells ... are killing us. |
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underh20
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Feb 11, 2007 - 06:31 PM |
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| China did defend itself by saying that are only about 50th if you look at it from a per person average |
Sure. But as they develop, expect that per capita rate to rise.
Hmmm ... a developed China with 1.4 billion people ... can you fit your house on a rubber raft??? |
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lalaabc321
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who pull out of tha global treaty?
US or China?
my brain cells ... |
Why would China pull out if they have no responsibility under the pact until, at a minimum, 2012? The free ride is the best ride.
Yes, your brain cells ... are killing us. |
and amercia even don't want to take this free ride
where are they going??? |
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underh20
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^ A knife not well sharpened ...
There was no free ride for America. Only for China & India. |
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