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ShanghaiUnderground
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Mar 15, 2007 - 01:26 PM |
 
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An old story, but still worthy of exploitation:
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Teenage prostitution case shocks China
Many in China accept prostitution as being normal
By the BBC's Duncan Hewitt in Shanghai
In China there has been a shocked reaction to a prostitution case involving teenage high school girls.
A court in south-western Yunnan province recently jailed one girl for four years and passed suspended sentences on nine others aged between 16 and 18.
They were accused of involvement in an informal prostitution racket involving more than 50 high-school girls in the provincial capital Kunming.
Local media described it as a case which has brought pain to the whole of Chinese society.
In a country where it is not rare for poor rural girls to be forced into prostitution, the trial seems to have aroused far greater outrage. The girls were charged not only with prostitution but also introducing others, some as young as 13, to the racket.
Men in the spotlight
What has caused most shock is that the girls, many described as good students, apparently took part voluntarily, with friends introducing friends. And according to state media most were motivated not by absolute poverty but by curiosity.
Many said they were impressed by the wealth and power of their clients, mainly local businessmen and officials, who took them to luxurious hotels and gave them relatively large sums of money - paying even more if the girls were virgins.
In a nation where teenage sex is considered shocking, the case has rung alarm bells - one leading sociologist said taboos about sexual matters mean children actually receive little education about either sex or morality.
The case has also provoked rare criticism of the men involved, in a society where many men see visiting prostitutes as normal behaviour.
State media said the network of men who sought out younger and younger girls should take much of the blame. Parents and lawyers also expressed anger that the men's influential connections - and China's vague laws on prostitution - meant very few of them were punished.
One local newspaper quoted a judge in the case as saying China needed tougher punishments for men who use prostitutes - otherwise he said cases like this would send a message that men with money and power could avoid justice.
China's criminal code does include a crime of buying sex from a under-age girl - but this applies only when the girl is under 14.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/1775221.stm
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bougie
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Mar 15, 2007 - 09:47 PM |
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China's criminal code does include a crime of buying sex from a under-age girl - but this applies only when the girl is under 14.
Ok no issues then .. i think |
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shanghaiceltic
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Mar 16, 2007 - 07:23 AM |
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In Japan this was quite common, except that the Japanese high school girls did not call it prostitution, instead they called it 'compensated dating'.
The article does not mention what happened to their customers, presumably they are protected and not to be prosecuted. |
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yu888
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Mar 16, 2007 - 09:55 AM |
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government officials and their businessmen frined usually are "protected" to serve the greater good of supporting the local economy. One COULD argue that this behavior allowed wealth to be distributed to increase spending in those geographical areas. Of course that would mean eliminating morals from the equation. Then again, morality may be a luxury of the haves not the have nots. |
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theAutumn45
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Mar 16, 2007 - 11:42 AM |
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Lala’s post:
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USA - Survey Reveals Extent of Teen Prostitution
Teens Who Exchange Sex for Money or Drugs Are at Risk for Infections
Aug. 9, 2006 — - About 650,000 American teenagers have exchanged sex for
money or drugs, and boys were more likely to have prostituted themselves
than girls, according to the only survey ever committed to the subject. |
The underground’s
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In China there has been a shocked reaction to a prostitution case involving teenage high school girls.
A court in south-western Yunnan province recently jailed one girl for four years and passed suspended sentences on nine others aged between 16 and 18.
They were accused of involvement in an informal prostitution racket involving more than 50 high-school girls in the provincial capital Kunming. |
Can’t believe it’s 50 vs. 650,000.
More amazingly, the Underground would, like an underground rodent, climbed out from its hole, announcing occasionally, it's still alive and well.
But does the darkness blind your logic as well? The teenage prostitution is a world phenomenon. It has little Chinese characteristics. Maybe you should change your title to some thing proper, like Solving Teen Prostitution with Chinese Characteristics!
You may Google for content, if you couldn’t find it, try the Chinese one,
www. Baidu. com, providing you can read Chinese in dark as well.
Hello Moderator,
I wasn't intended to post today, but it's so amusing... I couldn't help ...  |
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ShanghaiUnderground
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Mar 16, 2007 - 01:24 PM |
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| ... The teenage prostitution is a world phenomenon. ... |
I do believe that Trallop is attempting to discuss that very issue in the approximately 4 separate threads she started only after I started this one.
Nothing wrong with taking the broader view, especially with respect to Hos, but I prefer to focus on one Ho at a time, maybe two.
The local Hos, in particular, have only swelled my curiousity in their profession.
Hence, the subject Whoring with Chinese Characteristics. |
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lalaabc321
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Mar 16, 2007 - 02:15 PM |
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did your mother teach you to study ho while traveling? |
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ShanghaiUnderground
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Mar 16, 2007 - 02:29 PM |
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| government officials and their businessmen frined usually are "protected" to serve the greater good of supporting the local economy. One COULD argue that this behavior allowed wealth to be distributed to increase spending in those geographical areas. Of course that would mean eliminating morals from the equation. Then again, morality may be a luxury of the haves not the have nots. |
Did not Mao attempt to eliminate morals from the Chinese equation some time ago? If not directly, then certainly as a consequence of the various glorious revolutions.
In addition, I'm not sure that the existing political structure can even remotely support the development of moral frameworks for people to try to live by.
But this redistribution of wealth concept does have its merits. Consider the migratory Hos and their joint ventures with the local ones in establishing salons on damn near every fuqing street of China. Starbucks can only dream of such market penetration.
Nah, Chinese Hos have the game wrapped up. |
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BONNIE
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Mar 16, 2007 - 02:34 PM |
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Such an apt phrase ! |
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lalaabc321
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Mar 16, 2007 - 02:34 PM |
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talked about moral, your brain is filled with hos so far as i can see |
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rayfish
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Mar 16, 2007 - 02:47 PM |
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Consider these ravings of Shanghaiunderground:
1. "I do believe that Trallop is attempting to discuss that very issue in the approximately 4 separate threads she started only after I started this one.
"Nothing wrong with taking the broader view, especially with respect to Hos, but I prefer to focus on one Ho at a time, maybe two."
2. "Consider the migratory Hos and their joint ventures with the local ones in establishing salons on damn near every fuqing street of China. Starbucks can only dream of such market penetration.
Nah, Chinese Hos have the game wrapped up.
"The local Hos, in particular, have only swelled my curiousity in their profession."
"Hence, the subject Whoring with Chinese Characteristics"
Hello? Anybody there? Is this person really interested in discussion the causes and social problem of prostitution in China? Some of you out there can read right? Hammerforlife? Yu? |
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theAutumn45
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Mar 17, 2007 - 01:34 AM |
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Here is Whore, Whore
There is Ho, Ho
Is that Christmas
We have so much Ho, Ho, Ho
The Under said it’s Whore, Whore
It’s in China, a Chinese Character of teens
But La La has never said Whore only Ho
In her happy land, there is no Whore but Ho
So we’re living under different culture
In China, the Whore is underground
Over there, when sex is so free
What is difference of Whore or Ho
Only remember in the human history
We’ll always have the Whores and the Hos
The exception were only the dark age of Europe
Or the Mao’s China when Whores all disappeared under the Hos
So let’s not make he said or she said
A big issue ... we are living in an imperfect world
From here to there, we all love our own
Blinded by our prejudice, even there are Whores and Hos
Hello La La.
Just be happy and live your own life
You’re not a nationalist as I know, only love this land
Like me, don’t like the mud slide all over |
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ShanghaiUnderground
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Mar 17, 2007 - 01:44 AM |
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| ... causes and social problem of prostitution in China? ... |
From the perspective of the schoolgirls above, God Bless 'em, it was not a problem as they:
"... took part voluntarily, with friends introducing friends. And according to state media most were motivated not by absolute poverty but by curiosity."
So, should they have been found guilty because they were/are naturally curious about sex?
Should they have instead provided comfort to their suitors for free?
Even capitalists with Chinese characteristics know there's no such thing as a free lunch either.
These particular Hos, er schoolgirls, showed an entrepreneurial spirit that China should be proud of. |
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yu888
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Mar 17, 2007 - 01:48 AM |
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Yes rayfish, i can read just fine and see where ShangUnder is speaking seriously and others when tongue and cheek. can't you?
But it does not change the fact that it is a serious topic by nature despite the jokng around b/c people are uncomfortable with the topic. As opposed to the oth rposter who simply uses the topic to try and one-up this one b/ somehow it makes him/her feel badly about China to read about such travesties (sheltered and strange, if you ask me, considering how prevelant brothels are even in Shnaghai) |
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ShanghaiUnderground
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Mar 17, 2007 - 01:52 AM |
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| theAutumn45 wrote: |
| ... Ho, Ho, Ho ... |
| yu888 wrote: |
| ... tongue and cheek ... |
Thinking of Snow White and Seven Drawfs:
Hi Ho Hi Ho,
It's off to school we go,
To make the rounds,
Doing clowns,
Hi Ho Hi Ho |
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theAutumn45
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Mar 17, 2007 - 06:59 AM |
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Hi Ho Hi Ho
I wouldn’t mind to be the Dwarf
Yu8 probably won’t mind too
For fun, we can add green eggs
And the Texas Butcher
Now who is going to be the Snow White
Is that you, out from the ground under?
Hi Ho Hi Ho |
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rayfish
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Mar 17, 2007 - 07:45 AM |
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Yes rayfish, i can read just fine and see where ShangUnder is speaking seriously and others when tongue and cheek. can't you?
But it does not change the fact that it is a serious topic by nature despite the jokng around b/c people are uncomfortable with the topic. As opposed to the oth rposter who simply uses the topic to try and one-up this one b/ somehow it makes him/her feel badly about China to read about such travesties (sheltered and strange, if you ask me, considering how prevelant brothels are even in Shnaghai) |
Well, then. It was all just a joke! How silly of me and my prudish ways. If ShangUnder talks about comfort woman being a 'pain in the ass' and refers to Chinese women almost invariably as 'hos' it's because he's speaking tongue in cheek, as it were. Now I got it. Thanks for clearing that up.
对了Did I ever tell you the joke about the Chinese American who dabbled in whackshack theory...he always came up a little short. |
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rayfish
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Mar 17, 2007 - 08:01 AM |
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| ... causes and social problem of prostitution in China? ... |
From the perspective of the schoolgirls above, God Bless 'em, it was not a problem as they:
"... took part voluntarily, with friends introducing friends. And according to state media most were motivated not by absolute poverty but by curiosity."
So, should they have been found guilty because they were/are naturally curious about sex?
Should they have instead provided comfort to their suitors for free?
Even capitalists with Chinese characteristics know there's no such thing as a free lunch either.
These particular Hos, er schoolgirls, showed an entrepreneurial spirit that China should be proud of. |
Good to see our little jester spins his little web "according to state media" |
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theAutumn45
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Mar 17, 2007 - 08:13 AM |
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But it does not change the fact that it is a serious topic by nature despite the jokng around b/c people are uncomfortable with the topic. As opposed to the oth rposter who simply uses the topic to try and one-up this one b/ somehow it makes him/her feel badly about China to read about such travesties (sheltered and strange, if you ask me, considering how prevelant brothels are even in Shnaghai) |
Hello Yu,
I know it's a serious issue. But the same issue, even it's forbidden by laws over where I live, is a problem of serious nature. On posting the topic, Underground is not any more serious than you and me. He/ she only posted this one after another two posting under the titles of Democracy with Chinese Characteristics, and Justice with Chinese Characteristics. That is what he/ she said at the beginning of his/ her posting: An old story, but still worthy of exploitation. Since it’s an old story and according to the story, the people involved have been caught and punished. His / her intention of using the posting for serious discussions is very much doubtful. Being young, Lala may have over-reacted, but it still does not justify the amount of teasing towards her.
Coming back to the issue, I’d like to have some serious opinion of my own. This is the oldest profession of the world. For many women who had no ability to make decent living, this was probably a way out in the ancient China. It only disappeared under Mao, when all the prostitutes had been sent for re-education. During the Mao era, there were neither prostitutes, nor gang members of underworld. Now with China opens up, they all come back. I have read from news in Chinese, it said, the gangs which had been non-existent in China for nearly 30 years, were organizing a convention in China.
So you see, with opening up, China is facing a different set of problems which in many ways could be more serious than being poor. My opinion is to give them time to sort things out. Neither you nor me nor any expats on this forum are in the position to help out.
I wish, Shanghaiexpats, being an excellent site, will give fair presentation of different opinions. After all, this is a window of democracy, as many locals are visiting the site as often as we are. |
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rayfish
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Mar 17, 2007 - 08:17 AM |
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Yu, the serious moderator, defending bad humor
ShangUnder, the anti-China nut, praising state media
...see what happens when frat boys post after stumbling out of the bar |
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rayfish
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Shall we return to discussion? This is from Lala's thread in case you missed it:
"The sexualisation of girls and the normalisation of the sex and porn industries have made it increasingly acceptable and "fun" for women to be viewed as sex objects, and for men to view women as sexual commodities. To speak out against this trend is framed as "anti-fun" and "anti-sex". The pressure group Object has documented how men's "lifestyle" magazines and lad mags do not merely objectify women, they trivialise trafficking, sex tourism and prostitution. The number of young British men using prostitutes has doubled in a decade to one in 10 in 2000." |
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ShanghaiUnderground
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Mar 17, 2007 - 02:32 PM |
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Perhaps convenient in the West, rayfish, to blame the media for such trends and supposed ills. The West has a free press, afterall, and knows that sex sells.
Are you suggesting that China should crack down more on the media that she already controls? If so, then the Party is to blame for not controlling well enough.
However, I do not think that the media, foreign or local, can be blamed one iota for the local Hos actions.
The following is but one item that speaks volumes of the Whoring situation in China:
"China's criminal code does include a crime of buying sex from a under-age girl - but this applies only when the girl is under 14."
If that is indeed true, then the local law is supportive of prostitution for girls 14 and older.
If not true, then the actions of the legal authorities to prevent prostitution is 99.99% absent from the equation.
If I were new to China, it would be difficult for me to imagine that China does not care more for her children. But I've seen with my own eyes that prostitution in China is epidemic.
A whackshack on every street represents business as usual.
Such capitalistic form is envious. |
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rayfish
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Let's go back to your article, written by a BBC correspondent in Shanghai:
"Local media described it as..."
"And according to state media..."
"one leading sociologist said...."
"State media said..."
"One local newspaper quoted a judge..."
So.......a 'free press' in Britain bases an entire article and analysis on what 'state media said' in China. No independent investigation, no independent interviews, no independent analysis!
The same state media that you villify elsewhere you now use to supposedly prove your point. But what is your point? Does anyone really know?
"However, I do not think that the media, foreign or local, can be blamed one iota for the local Hos actions."
So the exploitation of women is not the problem for you; the problem is 'the local Hos actions.' Not the profit from the sex trade, the position of women in society or even the local john. The 'local ho' and her 'actions' constitute for you the end all and be all of this discussion, your ever prodding point into the depths of vacuous absurdity.
Oh, but there is your quote from that 'independent' article of yours about China's criminal code, which supposedly only applies to girls under 14. 'If not true,' you say, then the legal authorities are '99.99% absent from the equation.' But the article you posted says:
"The girls were charged not only with prostitution but also introducing others, some as young as 13, to the racket."
Now if we were to take the figure provided in your own article of 50 students involved, and run that through the '99.99% absent' (one in 10,000) equation that you floated, we would find that it is impossible to have 13-year olds involved, which contradicts the facts of your own article.
But why am I wasting my time with all this? Clearly you're not interested in facts or knowledge but in childish puns and innuendo. Got news for you, pal, hating women doesn't make you cool, it makes you stupid. |
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ShanghaiUnderground
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Mar 17, 2007 - 06:39 PM |
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| ... Got news for you, pal, hating women doesn't make you cool, it makes you stupid. |
Trust me, dumb fuq, I love Chinese women A LOT, far more than you will ever be capable of knowing or experiencing.
Sure you may try, but something tells me you'll have to pay a pretty penny.
Go back to school and work on your fuqing logic, you ignorant piece of shiet. |
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Wolfy declares Rayfish the winner of this debate.
Resorting to calling someone an "ignorant piece of shi't", no matter what the context, is a sure sign of losing the intellectual high ground. |
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