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Sampson
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"US presidential candidate Barack Obama has said he would order military action against al-Qaeda in Pakistan without the consent of Pakistan's government."
Anyone else surprised by this - I thought he was a bit more moderate than trigger happy old George W . I wonder what Americans think about this kind of statement as well - I can't imagine this kind of chat / action would be popular after Iraq...... |
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The biggest deception in politics is the illusion of choice. It makes very little (if any) difference if A, B or C is president. It's the same people (behind the scenes) that make the decisions anyway. U.S politics needs a whole new engine, NOT just more gas. The people that control the money, control the country. Step NUMBER 1 is to get rid of the FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM. As long as the creation of money is in private hands their will be NO 'elected' official making any real decisions. It's a scam. They are bought and paid for, long before they become a presidential nominee. REVOLUTION is the SOLUTION. Without changing the system, nothing else is going to change. |
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Goosie
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I don't understand. The Federal Reserve System is under the purview of the federal government. Your message seems to suggest it's not. |
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*CheerLeader*Mao
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Aug 02, 2007 - 10:51 AM |
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Obama said that? I can't find where, can you quote your source?
Strange considering he was calling for the all out pull out of troops in Iraq. And what is the point of going into Pakistan right now exactly, sure they are a terrorist hotbed and Osama is probably there but i can't see what they would want to accomplish exactly. |
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Sampson
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Olorion
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*CheerLeader*Mao
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I think you mean owned, but i was just wondering where he said it, as i search the net today and couldnt find it. I wasnt questioning whether he said it or not.
But if i do get owned, please be the first to let me know.
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*CheerLeader*Mao
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But really i think it is a dumb statement by him if he said it. That BBC site is blocked anyhow and i can't find any other source for the quote except a bunch of blogs that may or may not be quoting the original source.
Strange that the only place i can find this quote is on a British news site. |
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Sampson
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OK then look on www.msn.com its on there . You can't dispute it's validity just because it's on a British site ! |
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flying_horse
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This is from the New York Times:
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His (Obama's) positions included conditioning continued U.S. support for Pakistan on its efforts to clean out al Qaeda and Taliban elements that use ungoverned areas of Pakistan to stage attacks against U.S. and allied forces in Afghanistan — with a threat of possible unilateral action if the Pakistani government of President Pervez Musharaff does not act aggressively in this matter.
“If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharaff won’t act, we will,” he said. |
Here's the complete story: http://www.nytimes.com/cq/2007/08/01/cq_3207.html |
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*CheerLeader*Mao
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| OK then look on www.msn.com its on there . You can't dispute it's validity just because it's on a British site ! |
Fckwit, i am not disputing the validity. One fcuking quote can be taken out of context or twisted in a millions ways.
Maybe you get your news and make opinions this way, but i dont. I want to see the article and see what other things were said and possibly get the context of how it was said.
And yes, i think the British news is 95% complete and utter garbage. Your tabloid journalism is pathetic, nationalistic, self promoting and full of sh1t. |
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This is from the New York Times:
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His (Obama's) positions included conditioning continued U.S. support for Pakistan on its efforts to clean out al Qaeda and Taliban elements that use ungoverned areas of Pakistan to stage attacks against U.S. and allied forces in Afghanistan — with a threat of possible unilateral action if the Pakistani government of President Pervez Musharaff does not act aggressively in this matter.
“If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharaff won’t act, we will,” he said. |
Here's the complete story: http://www.nytimes.com/cq/2007/08/01/cq_3207.html |
Yes, see how the context of what is being said can change from hearing the whole interview or other portions of it.
Wow, imagine that. |
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*CheerLeader*Mao
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"US presidential candidate Barack Obama has said he would order military action against al-Qaeda in Pakistan without the consent of Pakistan's government."
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So looking at the first quote Sampson posted, which i still can't find as a quote from Obama despite him putting quotes around and it and attributing it to him, you can see that the two statements are quite different and meaning and context. |
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Goosie
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^Indeed, CLM, indeed! As one whose comments are frequently taken out of context, I couldn't agree more. |
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YorkshireKing
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And yes, i think the British news is 95% complete and utter garbage. Your tabloid journalism is pathetic, nationalistic, self promoting and full of sh1t.[/quote]
Watch what you saying CLM, theres nowt wrong with the Sunday Sport!!
These stories generally concerned aliens eating family pets, people sharing beds with farm animals, or any number of sightings of Elvis, who was spotted at various times shopping at a supermarket, living as a woman, and even once trying to get Rick Astley’s autograph.
‘Best of the Sunday Sport’ To give you even more of an idea of what the paper was about, here are the top five:
5: “MUM GIVES BIRTH TO 8lb TROUT” – “Now doctors aren’t sure if it will need an aquarium or a cot.”
4: “GREENFLY ATE MY LOVER!” This story was sub-headed “HEARTLESS INSECTS PUT END TO MIXED-SALAD MARRIAGE”
3: “LORD LUCAN SPOTTED ON MISSING SHERGAR” In this piece we learnt that the fugitive nobleman Lord Lucan was alive and well and galloping through Scottish glens on kidnapped racehorse Shergar.
2: “LOVESICK GARDENER MARRIES LETTUCE” “It’s the vegetable or me!” girlfriend Jackie had warned.
1: “BUS FOUND BURIED AT SOUTH POLE” Perhaps the ultimate Sunday Sport exclusive, this reported that the 109 from Croydon bus station had been hijacked by a green alien in 1961 and taken to the Antarctic (and of course the paper had a photo to prove it). Follow-up stories even detailed eyewitness accounts from passengers. “The whole journey is a complete blank,” said mature student John La Trobe, “but I do remember the penguins.”
Also the fact that we have a sense of bloody humour and we dont beleive everything the media tells us.
Dont start Brit bashing (unless its britney then feel free) |
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TISM
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Direct from the Obama site - speech remarks
Couldn't find the transcipt elsewhere unless i paid for it.
http://www.barackobama.com/2007/08/01/the_war_we_need_to_win.php
As President, I would make the hundreds of millions of dollars in U.S. military aid to Pakistan conditional, and I would make our conditions clear: Pakistan must make substantial progress in closing down the training camps, evicting foreign fighters, and preventing the Taliban from using Pakistan as a staging area for attacks in Afghanistan.
I understand that President Musharraf has his own challenges. But let me make this clear. There are terrorists holed up in those mountains who murdered 3,000 Americans. They are plotting to strike again. It was a terrible mistake to fail to act when we had a chance to take out an al Qaeda leadership meeting in 2005. If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will.
And Pakistan needs more than F-16s to combat extremism. As the Pakistani government increases investment in secular education to counter radical madrasas, my Administration will increase America's commitment. We must help Pakistan invest in the provinces along the Afghan border, so that the extremists' program of hate is met with one of hope. And we must not turn a blind eye to elections that are neither free nor fair -- our goal is not simply an ally in Pakistan, it is a democratic ally. |
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LifeMage
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Aug 02, 2007 - 12:58 PM |
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| I don't understand. The Federal Reserve System is under the purview of the federal government. Your message seems to suggest it's not. |
I don't want to get TOO far off topic....
but if YOU don't know about the FRS,
I would suggest that YOU read up (and not on Shanghaiexpat).
Here are a few quotes by more intelligent people than us.
"Most Americans have no real understanding of the operation of the international money lenders.
The accounts of the Federal Reserve System have never been audited.
It operates outside the control of Congress and manipulates the credit of the United States."
-- Sen. Barry Goldwater (Rep. AR)
"The regional Federal Reserve banks are not government agencies. ...
but are independent, privately owned and locally controlled corporations."
-- Lewis vs. United States, 680 F. 2d 1239 9th Circuit 1982
"Some [Most] people think the Federal Reserve Banks are the United States government's institutions.
They are not government institutions. They are private credit monopolies which prey upon the people of the United States
for the benefit of themselves and their foreign swindlers." -
- Congressional Record 12595-12603 -- Louis T. McFadden, Chairman of the Committee on Banking and Currency
"We are completely dependant on the commercial banks. Someone has to borrow every dollar we have in circulation, cash or credit.
If the banks create ample synthetic money we are prosperous; if not, we starve. We are absolutely without a permanent money system....
It is the most important subject intelligent persons can investigate and reflect upon.
It is so important that our present civilization may collapse unless it becomes widely understood and the defects remedied very soon."
-- Robert H. Hamphill, Atlanta Federal Reserve Bank
"The Federal Reserve Banks are not federal instrumentalities..." -- Lewis vs. United States 9th Circuit 1992
"The financial system has been turned over to the Federal Reserve Board. That Board administers the finance system by authority of a purely profiteering group.
The system is Private, conducted for the sole purpose of obtaining the greatest possible profits from the use of other people's money"
-- Charles A. Lindbergh Sr. |
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So looking at the first quote Sampson posted, which i still can't find as a quote from Obama despite him putting quotes around and it and attributing it to him, you can see that the two statements are quite different and meaning and context.
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Its clearly not a quote , unless Obama is in the habit of talking about himself in the 3rd person . It's taken from the article which was my original source which is why I put it in quotes .
Your an angry little fella aren't you ? I was really just hoping to get some thoughts on my original post , not your opinion on British media . |
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TISM
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I like the last line use of other people's money. I think that is the financial industry in a nutshell. |
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TISM
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@ sampson
who said the original quote?? I take it was a political commentator
It seems the media a focusing on one line but not actually listening or reading the statement within context.
This is basically what happens with all political leader elections.
MSN
There are terrorists holed up in those mountains who murdered 3,000 Americans. They are plotting to strike again. It was a terrible mistake to fail to act when we had a chance to take out an al-Qaida leadership meeting in 2005. If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won’t act, we will.”
LA Times
If we have actionable intelligence about high value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will," Obama said at the Woodrow Wilson Center here. "I will not hesitate to use military force to take out terrorists who pose a direct threat to America."
Xinhua
In his speech at the Woodrow Wilson Center for International Scholars in Washington, D.C., Obama said "if Pakistani leaders were to fail to take action against the known terrorists within their borders," he would dispatch forces as president, removing troops from Iraq and put them on the right battlefield in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Bloomberg
``If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets, and President Musharraf won't act, we will.'' |
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""Some [Most] people think the Federal Reserve Banks are the United States government's institutions. They are not government institutions. They are private credit monopolies . . . "
Who owns them? |
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Federal Reserve Banks are not, however, operated for a profit, and each year they return to the U.S. Treasury all earnings in excess of Federal Reserve operating and other expenses.
Who owns the Federal Reserve?
The Federal Reserve System is not "owned" by anyone and is not a private, profit-making institution. Instead, it is an independent entity within the government, having both public purposes and private aspects.
As the nation's central bank, the Federal Reserve derives its authority from the U.S. Congress. It is considered an independent central bank because its decisions do not have to be ratified by the President or anyone else in the executive or legislative branch of government, it does not receive funding appropriated by Congress, and the terms of the members of the Board of Governors span multiple presidential and congressional terms. However, the Federal Reserve is subject to oversight by Congress, which periodically reviews its activities and can alter its responsibilities by statute. Also, the Federal Reserve must work within the framework of the overall objectives of economic and financial policy established by the government. Therefore, the Federal Reserve can be more accurately described as "independent within the government."
The twelve regional Federal Reserve Banks, which were established by Congress as the operating arms of the nation's central banking system, are organized much like private corporations--possibly leading to some confusion about "ownership." For example, the Reserve Banks issue shares of stock to member banks. However, owning Reserve Bank stock is quite different from owning stock in a private company. The Reserve Banks are not operated for profit, and ownership of a certain amount of stock is, by law, a condition of membership in the System. The stock may not be sold, traded, or pledged as security for a loan; dividends are, by law, 6 percent per year.
http://www.federalreserve.gov/generalinfo/fract/
http://www.federalreserve.gov/pubs/frseries/frseri.htm
Federal Reserve Banks
Federal Reserve Banks
were established by Congress as the operating arms of the nation's central banking system. Many of the services provided by this network to depository institutions and the government are similar to services provided by banks and thrift institutions to business customers and individuals. Reserve Banks hold the cash reserves of depository institutions and make loans to them. They move currency and coin into and out of circulation, and collect and process millions of checks each day. They provide checking accounts for the Treasury, issue and redeem government securities, and act in other ways as fiscal agent for the U.S. government. They supervise and examine member banks for safety and soundness. The Reserve Banks also participate in the activity that is the primary responsibility of the Federal Reserve System, the setting of monetary policy.
For the purpose of carrying out these day-to-day operations of the Federal Reserve System, the nation has been divided into twelve Federal Reserve Districts, with Banks in Boston, New York, Philadelphia, Cleveland, Richmond, Atlanta, Chicago, St. Louis, Minneapolis, Kansas City, Dallas, and San Francisco. Twenty-five Branches of these Banks serve particular areas within each District.
The map shows locations of the Reserve Banks and their Branches, along with District boundaries and assigned District numbers.
Organization of the Banks
Federal Reserve Banks operate under the general supervision of the Board of Governors in Washington. Each Bank has a nine-member Board of Directors that oversees its operations.
Federal Reserve Banks generate their own income, primarily from interest earned on government securities that are acquired in the course of Federal Reserve monetary policy actions. A secondary source of income is derived from the provision of priced services to depository institutions, as required by the Monetary Control Act of 1980. Federal Reserve Banks are not, however, operated for a profit, and each year they return to the U.S. Treasury all earnings in excess of Federal Reserve operating and other expenses.
The Board of Governors
of the Federal Reserve System
On December 23, 1913, the Federal Reserve System, which serves as the nation's central bank, was created by an act of Congress. The System consists of a seven member Board of Governors with headquarters in Washington, D.C., and twelve Reserve Banks located in major cities throughout the United States.
Appointments to the Board
The seven members of the Board of Governors are appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate to serve 14-year terms of office. Members may serve only one full term, but a member who has been appointed to complete an unexpired term may be reappointed to a full term. The President designates, and the Senate confirms, two members of the Board to be Chairman and Vice Chairman, for four-year terms. |
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So looking at the first quote Sampson posted, which i still can't find as a quote from Obama despite him putting quotes around and it and attributing it to him, you can see that the two statements are quite different and meaning and context.
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Its clearly not a quote , unless Obama is in the habit of talking about himself in the 3rd person . It's taken from the article which was my original source which is why I put it in quotes .
Your an angry little fella aren't you ? I was really just hoping to get some thoughts on my original post , not your opinion on British media . |
I'm not angry, but i I prefer to not make comment about made up and manipulated quotes taken out of context.
Do you agree or not agree that what you posted and what he said are vastly different statements? |
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