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*CheerLeader*Mao
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Posted: Aug 03, 2007 - 06:40 PM
Post subject: THE NEW BUSH BUMPER STICKERS

1. Cheney/Liar'08

2. 01/20/09: End of an Error

3. That's OK; I Wasn't Using My Civil Liberties Anyway

4. Lets Fix Democracy in This Country First

5. If You Want a Nation Ruled By Religion, Move to Iran!

6. Bush. Like a Rock - Only Dumber.

7. If You Can Read This, You're Not Our President

8. Of Course It Hurts: You're Getting Screwed by an Elephant

9. Hey, Bush Supporters: Embarrassed Yet?

10. George Bush: Creating the Terrorists Our Kids Will Have to Fight.

11. America: One Nation, Under Surveillance

12. They Call Him "W" So He Can Spell It

13. Jail to the Chief

14. No, Seriously, Why Did We Invade Iraq?

15. Bush: God's way of proving Intelligent Design is bullfeces

16. Bad President! No Banana.

17. We Need a President Who's Fluent In At Least One Language

18. We're Making Enemies Faster than We Can Kill Them

19. Is It Vietnam Yet?

20. Where Are We Going? And Why Are We In This Hand basket?

21. You Elected Him. You Deserve Him.

22. Impeach Cheney First

23. When Bush Took Office, Gas was $1.46

24. Pray For Impeachment

25. The Republican Party: Our Bridge to the 11th Century

26. What Part of "Bush Lied" Don't You Understand?

27 One Nation under Clod

28. 2004: Embarrassed 2005: Horrified 2006: Terrified 2007

29. Bush Never Exhaled

30. At Least Nixon Resigned

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CoffeeHawk_0
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Posted: Aug 04, 2007 - 03:36 AM

while I don't jump on the left or right bandwagon, it is funny that left wingers have no concept of the loss of civil liberites, surveillance, or even gas prices in Europe....the heartland of socialism, which is just another word for far left democrat.

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Posted: Aug 04, 2007 - 11:11 AM

CoffeeHawk_0 wrote:

I am not sure what you mean exactly. Are you saying that the socialistic countries of Europe have lost their civil liberties and are now subject to surveillance? Or higher petrol prices?

The two do not have to go hand in hand in my opinion (socialism vs loss of civil liberties or freedoms for that matter).

The model for socialism has always been Sweden, or you could look at Holland (free to smoke drugs, gay marriage etc) these are very free countries but with strong socialistic economic models in terms of taxation, health care, education etc.

Do you think the education system in Holland is more or less advance in the USA? My vote goes to Holland actually. But i know that is difficult to compare as not ever district in the USA is the same and some will be more advanced (free thinking) and less advance (intelligent design)

As well, economically, the socialist countries are actually the richest, take Norway, Iceland, Switzerland as examples. Most of the evidence points to socialistic countries being more free then what is happening in the USA right now.

It saddens me and I think a lot of other people in the world who for years admired the USA and it stance on individual freedoms. At some point you have to think this war on terrorism, that while not completely fake, is being used in an extremely calculated fashion to take these freedoms away from AMericans, and a sh1tload of people there just dont get it and even support it.

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Posted: Aug 04, 2007 - 12:38 PM

Sure, look at the city wide surveillance in large UK cities and Paris and parts of Germany. The US has barely begun to install cameras. Petrol has historically been 2x+ the price in Europe. Actually petrol in the US has not even risen in price with inflation. The cost of it today is what it would have been if it had been increasing with the CPI every year since 1980, and it is still less than most Euro cities. If the left wants to push anything about petrol, it should be that the US uses more than it's share...5% of the people/20% of the world's petrol. Letting the price raise is meant to be a deterrant to the 1 person driving a 5000 lb. SUV to work everyday.

You know better than I how people's movements are tracked in Europe, whereas it has only been this year that Americans need to show a passport when entering Mexico and can still go anywhere in the USA with nothing more than a driver's license.

I can't compare education systems, but each state in the US has different systems so it can't be compared country wide.

'Freedom' is a big word. There is still freedom of opportunity in the US that might be harder to find in some other countries. My Chinese friends point out the huge difference in being able to buy and sell land and homes and businesses freely in the US relative to China.
There is also the illusion of freedom which many Americans believe is freedom. The opponents of recent changes in the US are really just afraid of the change but don't have the global view to put their overall life/freedom into perspective.

My initial comments above were about some of the specifics that the left likes to throw around which are actually quite unfounded but are used to sway people emotionally. In the US, you still have the freedom to talk like an idiot, and gain support for irrational, ignorant ideas, only due to their emotional content...simple politics for manipulating the masses.

yu888
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Posted: Aug 04, 2007 - 03:19 PM

i think we need a series of T-shirts with that list on it

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*CheerLeader*Mao
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Posted: Aug 04, 2007 - 07:38 PM

CoffeeHawk_0 wrote:

I dont care about gas prices really, i dont think they really have an effect on freedom. Maybe you can give me one reason why the USA invaded Iraq other than them stealing control of the soveign nations good, namely the 2nd largest supply of light crude reserves in the world. Give me one fcuking reason.

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You know better than I how people's movements are tracked in Europe, whereas it has only been this year that Americans need to show a passport when entering Mexico and can still go anywhere in the USA with nothing more than a driver's license.

The freedom to travel within Europe is only easing now that the EU has evolved. It isnt getting more difficult, it is getting less difficult, not just to travel, but to work, set up businesses, transfer money etc. I dont get your point at all, Europeans are not losing their freedom to travel and it was not really difficult before either. Its not like visas were needed or anything.

Mexico, no passport? Big deal, you USED to be able to do the same thing between Canada as well, now neither 'Mericans or Canucks can do it and require a passport. So yes, you have less freedoms of movement. Did you actually think it was a big deal to travel in the USA without documents or visas, are you suggesting the Right would have been smart to stop that? Actually you dont even need a drivers license.

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I can't compare education systems, but each state in the US has different systems so it can't be compared country wide.

Agreed, and it is really too difficult a comparison to make here. But the point is, if the Right had its way, education would have greater restrictions placed on it, especially in terms of religion and science.

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'Freedom' is a big word. There is still freedom of opportunity in the US that might be harder to find in some other countries. My Chinese friends point out the huge difference in being able to buy and sell land and homes and businesses freely in the US relative to China.

I dont want to compare with China. Its silly, are you saying the USA should aspire to say it is more free them China now? Jesus, if it has fallen that far it is more fcuked up then i even thought. Better not prοtest in the USA anymore right...oh yah....we all know how those freedoms have been taken away, tracked and monitored. Maybe the Bush gov't is a lot like Chinas.

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There is also the illusion of freedom which many Americans believe is freedom. The opponents of recent changes in the US are really just afraid of the change but don't have the global view to put their overall life/freedom into perspective.

Yes the USA should certain move quickly to greatly restrict people's freedoms in order to be more in line with despot gov't and 3rd world dictatorships so that the people can experience a more Global way of like.

Are you on fcuking crack or just can't accept you voted for Bush?

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My initial comments above were about some of the specifics that the left likes to throw around which are actually quite unfounded but are used to sway people emotionally. In the US, you still have the freedom to talk like an idiot, and gain support for irrational, ignorant ideas, only due to their emotional content...simple politics for manipulating the masses

You do have a point about the emotional content of all this likely going overboard. Or maybe not, personally i wouldnt be in the business of trusting a right out fcuking liar like Bush and his cronies.

Yes, appealing to people's emotions to push through an agenda.....sounds familiar.....kind of like saying.... Al Qaeda is in Iraq, Iraq has WMD, Saddam and Bin Laden conspired to bring down the towers and pentagon. Creating a nation of fear to push through an agenda.....yah....i think i have seen that before.

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Posted: Aug 05, 2007 - 11:26 AM

First, I was replying to all the bumpersticker statements, some are true, some are jokes, some are propaganda and are baseless/ignorant.

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With oil reserves in Saudi Arabia, Russia, Venezula, and the US, Iraq's oil is next to meaningless. http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/pet_move_impcus_a2_nus_ep00_im0_mbbl _m.htm

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"Under an OPEC agreement, all oil has been traded in US dollars since 1971 (after the dropping of the gold standard) which makes the US dollar the de facto major international trading currency. If other nations have to hoard dollars to buy oil, then they want to use that hoard for other trading too. This fact gives America a huge trading advantage and helps make it the dominant economy in the world."

" Does it matter what currency oil is priced in? This phenomenon is known as US dollar hegemony, which is created by the geopolitically constructed peculiarity that critical commodities, most notably oil, are denominated in dollars. Everyone accepts dollars because dollars can buy oil. The recycling of petro-dollars is the price the US has extracted from oil-producing countries for US tolerance of the oil-exporting cartel since 1973. By definition, dollar reserves must be invested in US assets, creating a capital-accounts surplus for the US economy."

And, you should care about gas prices. It is my guess it is the biggest factor in the world economy. If everyone in the US drove just 15 miles less per week/saved one gallon of gas a week, it would lower gas prices by $1 dollar a gallon. Consumers forget how much influence they can have on Supply and Demand/cost.

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Mexico, no passport? Big deal, you USED to be able to do the same thing between Canada as well, now neither 'Mericans or Canucks can do it and require a passport. So yes, you have less freedoms of movement. Did you actually think it was a big deal to travel in the USA without documents or visas, are you suggesting the Right would have been smart to stop that? Actually you dont even need a drivers license.

Movement in 'eastern block' countries used to be a lot more restrictive even within a given country. What are you arguing about? One's life in many Euro countries, especially Sweden, is significantly tracked and limited. It affect which university you can get into, what job you get when you graduate, etc., and hence your rank on the social scale. This is one 'freedom' the US has not limited yet with very few exceptions, but that has not been the point of this thread or any of my replies.

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The far right is wacked regarding religion, agreed. My guess is the education system's root issue is not 'education', it's the environment that US life fosters - poverty = crime, and it 2 viscious cycles spinning in opposite directions. Better education in low income areas could reduce poverty and crime, and wealthier people want posh schools, a safe learning environment, and they want to shield their children from some aspects of life, statistically higher incidences of drugs, crime, etc. in low income areas. It's a big complex cycle, I don't know enough about it to provide any theories, but education was not one of the bumper stickers' topics, so 'nuf said.

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I specifically said 'freedom of opportunity'; real estate, education are good examples. Your comments are don't address this (FYI Wink

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There is also the illusion of freedom which many Americans believe is freedom. The opponents of recent changes in the US are really just afraid of the change but don't have the global view to put their overall life/freedom into perspective.

Yes the USA should certain move quickly to greatly restrict people's freedoms in order to be more in line with despot gov't and 3rd world dictatorships so that the people can experience a more Global way of like.

Are you on fcuking crack or just can't accept you voted for Bush?

Your lack of freedom to get a good education has clearly made you incapable of comprehending what I wrote. No one is 'free'. Americans are not free. You must get educated, you must work, you must pay taxes, you must not speak out against organized religion. No money (compounded by recent loss of pensions and 10 extra years to get social security payments) = your life sucks and you will live in crime/danger.