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leidelaohu

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Posted: Nov 18, 2007 - 11:28 PM
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"Japanese fisheries officials insist the population has returned to a sustainable level and that taking 50 of them will have no impact."

Hiroshima and Nagasaki have returned to sustainable levels and dropping another bomb on each would have no impact, either.

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Posted: Nov 19, 2007 - 04:31 PM

Totally, 1000 whales will be killed, as far as I know.

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Posted: Nov 19, 2007 - 04:41 PM

Yeah..it's just ludicrous that they've been allowed to exploit that research clause for so long when they don't even try to hide the fact that it ends up as sashimi. I think a lot of their unwillingness to stop stems from their insular and nationalistic nature, that they're just so ridiculously stubborn about it.

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Posted: Nov 19, 2007 - 05:20 PM

come on guys, have a little tolerance for other cultures. I am assuming that neither of you have been to japan or understand the japanese culture.

whaling and fishing for the japaese is like hunting for the aboriginals in australia or the nomadic tribes scattered across africa. Its part of their culture and has been for a very long time.

I'm also sure that you dont realise that after japan was decimated by the americans postwar japan was literally starving to death in many places and whale meat kept many japaese alive.

they are only fcuking big fish anyway. (before any of you morons out there gets on your big ole' high horse I know they are mammals) Im sure most of the 'save the whale' spastics out there are also complete hypocrites who chow down on their steaks and pork chops at dinner time.

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Posted: Nov 19, 2007 - 06:44 PM

^Well.....this spastic, "save the whales" moron,
just got on his high horse...and thinks YOU SUCK!

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Posted: Nov 19, 2007 - 06:46 PM

TheDudeAbides wrote:

Be glad that China doesn't have a whaling fleet. If they would have a go at it there wouldn't be a whale alive in record time.

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Posted: Nov 19, 2007 - 07:07 PM

scotsladdy wrote:

Yeah but the fact is they're endangered. A Japanese friend of mine says the same thing - it's part of their culture, they use all parts of the whale for different things - but the fact remains it's a luxury thing, not done out of necessity (a lot of Japanese will tell you they can't even afford whale meat and have never even tried it). Not that different to the majority of westerners who no longer want anything to do with ivory or rare animal skins and furs. In my opinion in this day and age they're obligated to give up a tradition - at least until the animal is no longer endangered - for the greater good.

And a more obvious question - if they can hunt for whales, why can't everybody else? And if everybody else did, what would happen to the whale population then?

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Posted: Nov 19, 2007 - 08:38 PM

scotsladdy wrote:

Its part of their culture and has been for a very long time.

As it was part of Mexican culture to cut living people's hearts out with dull stone knives and Italian culture to put a bunch of christians into an arena with some hungry lions to see who could run faster and it was part of Danish culture to rape, loot, pillage and burn the coasts of England every spring ... there comes a point in History when it's time to Move On, Buckwheat. The time for murdering whales has come and gone.

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Posted: Nov 19, 2007 - 09:06 PM

dude, i'm hungry for some whale meat, where can i get some of the delicious whale humps, their lovely fishy lumps?

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Posted: Nov 19, 2007 - 09:14 PM

And is it served on lovely naked japenese girls ?

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Posted: Nov 19, 2007 - 09:45 PM

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dude, i'm hungry for some whale meat, where can i get some of the delicious whale humps, their lovely fishy lumps?

Just remember, Son ... you shoot it, you gotta eat it

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Posted: Nov 19, 2007 - 10:04 PM

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scotsladdy wrote:
Its part of their culture and has been for a very long time.

As it was part of Mexican culture to cut living people's hearts out with dull stone knives and Italian culture to put a bunch of christians into an arena with some hungry lions to see who could run faster and it was part of Danish culture to rape, loot, pillage and burn the coasts of England every spring ... there comes a point in History when it's time to Move On, Buckwheat. The time for murdering whales has come and gone.

Let me get this straight: we are comparing killing whales (animals) with the murdering of tens of thousands of innocents (children, women, men) in Hiroshima and Nagasaki? With murder and rape of human beings?

Are you insane???

Are you vegeterian?

This is the most ridiculous thread I have read in a long time!

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Posted: Nov 19, 2007 - 10:15 PM

minke whale populations have been ok for ages now. depends which whale obviously. i spent a year studying this shite boring subject in uni.

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Posted: Nov 19, 2007 - 10:24 PM

LifeMage wrote:

^Well.....this spastic, "save the whales" moron,
just got on his high horse...and thinks YOU SUCK!

Well your horse must be just as spastic and for that, I AM GOING TO EAT IT!

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Posted: Nov 19, 2007 - 10:42 PM

i cant believe laydownlaohoe and lifemuff can possibly in all fcuking rationality argue that the killing of whales is any different to the killing of turkeys at thanksgiving. Every single american would consider me nuts if I started running around frothing at the mouth preaching about saving the fcuking turkeys or cows or any other animal for that matter. Ignorance and complete failure and ability to grasp even the slightest bit of understanding and respect of another culture. I only have one word for people who care about this ****, fcukwits

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Posted: Nov 19, 2007 - 10:53 PM

Well said Scotty. Beam me up.

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Posted: Nov 19, 2007 - 11:07 PM

babebibobu wrote:

Let me get this straight: we are comparing killing whales (animals) with the murdering of tens of thousands of innocents (children, women, men) in Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

The Japanese of 1935 - 1945 deserve less consideration than pond scum. Innocents ? What planet do you live on ?

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With murder and rape of human beings?

Rape ? Someone was raped at Hiroshima or Nagasaki ? Would you please explain how that was done ? From 30,000 feet, eh ? Even Lucar's prong doesn't extend that far. You are full of poop, monsewer.

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Are you insane???

Probably. I'm wasting my time talking to you.

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Posted: Nov 19, 2007 - 11:25 PM

Ok so you were joking with this thread right?

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Posted: Nov 19, 2007 - 11:45 PM

Are the Norwegians still whaling as well?

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Posted: Nov 20, 2007 - 12:06 AM

I had a chicken leg at lunch and just raped a girl in a side street near the hotel. Is that ok?

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Posted: Nov 20, 2007 - 12:19 AM

Andreas wrote:

Are the Norwegians still whaling as well?

Minke

Norway - Traditional whale hunters ... since 1930

Since restarting its commercial whaling, Norway has claimed that its Minke whale hunt is small-scale and traditional. In fact, Norway did not begin Minke whaling until 1930. Some of Norway's whaling vessels cross international waters and travel more than a thousand miles to reach their hunting grounds. The ships act as small factories, flensing whales on board and remaining at sea for weeks at a time.

In fact, Norway's whaling fleet is by no means crucial to the survival of Norway's coastal communities, which depend on the state of Norway's fisheries.

Brochures published by the Norwegian government claim that whale meat is sold in Norway where it is a traditional part of the Norwegian diet. The reality is that there is little market for the meat in Norway - the real goal of Norway's whalers is export to Japan where prices paid for whale meat are several times higher than in Norway.

Fuck Japan.

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Posted: Nov 20, 2007 - 12:29 AM

Now I am against whaling, for personal reasons, because of my own experiences with whales, nothing else.

This article was in the South China Morning Post today, and it contains some interesting passages.

High and dry
Japanese whalers say unfair restrictions are killing their livelihood
Joseph Coleman
Updated on Nov 19, 2007

A whale's bleeding carcass bobs in the surf, a steel harpoon jutting from its side. Then butchers at the Japanese fishing village of Wada go to work, turning a motorised winch to haul it ashore.

On the flensing floor, the men hack through blubber and sinew with long-handled knives, slicing vermilion flesh from the massive spine. Blood gushes from the 9-metre Baird's beaked whale like water from a pump.

Finally, the meat is chopped into brick-sized blocks, weighed and priced for townsfolk, who line up for their purchases as restaurateurs drive away with plastic drums of whale meat.

For the world's anti-whaling activists, it's an atrocity that must be stopped. But the men who harpoon, flense and sell these whales at four small-scale coastal hunting communities have another word for it: tradition.

"Coastal people have been eating whale for 400 years and we have a right to decide what we eat," says Yoshinori Shoji, head of the Gaibo Hogei whaling company, based in Wada, a two-hour drive east of Tokyo.

These days, that tradition is much harder to maintain. Even though the 1986 international moratorium on commercial whaling applies more to the high seas than to Japanese coastal areas, it has severely cut supply, driving prices higher and speeding the meat's plunge in popularity.

The ban also restricts the types of smaller whales that can be hunted, such as a former favourite of the coastal operations - the minke. Small-time whalers now commercially hunt only whales that are not regulated internationally.

Japan's coastal whalers also suffer from a global PR problem. Amid an active anti-whaling movement, many people in Europe, the US, Australia and New Zealand consider killing whales an environmental and moral crime, and scenes such as the ones in Wada reinforce the image of whaling as barbaric.

The campaign touches a nationalist chord among Japanese, who feel it's discriminatory and hypocritical, given that Japanese whaling only became popular after the second world war because US occupation authorities encouraged it as a source of food. (I find that hard to believe, but then again, who am I?)

"They just completely reject people whose thinking isn't the same as theirs," says the industry's leading figure in the southern whaling town of Taiji, Yoji Kita. "In their global standard, there are a lot of double standards."

When people here speak of tradition, they mean family-owned company boats targeting small game just 30km from the shore, rather than the Japanese factory fleets, which range as far afield as the Antarctic and pull in more than 1,000 whales per year.

This year, coastal whalers operating out of four main ports are set to take a total of 66 Baird's beaked whales, 72 pilot whales - which look like dolphins - and 20 Risso dolphins this year.

Minke whales, of which they used to take 300 a year, have been banned from the hunt by the International Whaling Commission (IWC) since the 1980s, though Japan takes many minke whales - and eats the meat - as part of an IWC-allowed scientific whaling programme.

The whaling companies, however, say the moratorium is sinking their business.

Japan's eight coastal whaling companies now use only five of their nine whaling boats for coastal operations. Populations in whaling towns have dropped and village administrators complain about shrinking tax bases.

"Everyone here is in the red," says Shoji as his men slice fat from the cubes of meat and dump buckets of innards into a huge vat for processing into fertiliser. But the complaint gets little international sympathy.

A Japanese proposal to win "community whaling" status that would have allowed limited minke whale hunts failed at an IWC meeting in May. Critics argue that Japan's coastal operations are strictly commercial, using modern industrial methods such as mechanised harpoon guns, while community hunts are conducted by aboriginal people as ceremonies or to harvest a vital food source.

"Long ago, they used their own boats and caught whales with nets. But since the early 1900s, they've been using methods imported from Norway," says Junichi Sato of Greenpeace Japan. "So it's not at all as if they were preserving a tradition."

Japan's industrial whaling may be 20th century, but its roots are old. Organised whaling began in the early 1600s in Taiji, a town about 450km southwest of Tokyo.

"Whaling is not just an occupation for them - it's pride, it's history," says Hayato Sakurai, curator of the Taiji Whale Museum, which was established in 1969 and features an enormous replica of the skeleton of a blue whale.

The town's old hunts involved hundreds of daredevil hunters on wooden boats, who would surround the whale, spear it and drag it to shore. But those ways vanished when a typhoon wiped out Taiji's fleet in 1878. By about 1900, whaling was based on modern steam ships and grenade harpoons.

Today Taiji is feeling the pressure and western visitors to City Hall and the wharves draw looks of suspicion that they have come to blacken the town's name.

Coastal whalers argue that while they hunt whales as food and fertiliser, the western whalers of old were only after them for their oil and discarded the rest.

Also playing into the argument are race, the legacy of the war and a sense of Japan being perennial odd man out in global affairs dominated by the US and Europe.

"It looks like we're part of the club, but then something happens and they point at us and say, 'You're the country that started the war'," says Kita. "I feel the whaling issue is a racial discrimination issue."

This touchiness is heightened by the Taiji area's autumn and winter dolphin hunt, when boat crews surround schools of the mammals and slash them to death. The kills are often filmed by animal rights groups and broadcast around the world.

Towns such as Wada and Taiji have responded with campaigns to teach pride in the whaling tradition in local schools, where whale meat often features on the lunch menu, despite evidence that whale and dolphin meat is contaminated with mercury.

Wada hosts school groups to witness whale flensing, though the copious blood and stench occasionally sickens a student. The children then gather at a nearby cafeteria for a whale meat breakfast.

"We want them to know about the things that are done in the town where they were raised," says Tomokazu Shoji, a teacher accompanying schoolchildren to flensing.

Meanwhile, older whalers mourn the passing of a culture. Tameo Ryono, 70, worked on whaling ships in the Antarctic and other seas for about 40 years. The son and grandson of whalers, he grew up in Taiji watching his elders harpoon them. The thick meat was a common meal on the Ryono dinner table.

"This is how we provided for our families for generations," he says, opening a box of black and white photographs of old hunting ships.

"Since the moratorium, kids even in this town don't have many chances to see whales," he says. "They don't dream of being whalers any more."

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Posted: Nov 20, 2007 - 12:31 AM

scotsladdy wrote:

Bullfuckingshit. Facts :

"Commercial whaling is essential for traditional, cultural or nutritional reasons."

Japan’s whaling tradition dates back only a few centuries (roughly as long as the whaling traditions of Britain and the Netherlands), and is centered around a few coastal communities. Japan’s Antarctic whaling did not begin until the 1930s and was expanded massively following World War II as a means of feeding a starving population. Demand for whale meat is low in Iceland, Japan and Norway.

* In 2006, the Norwegian government cut short the whaling season halfway through because the market for whale meat was already saturated.

* The Icelandic government has made it clear that commercial whaling will only continue if an export market can be found.

* Meanwhile, Japan has more than 4,000 tons of whale meat from its "scientific" whaling program in cold storage - uneaten, unsold, and unwanted.

* Few Japanese people view whales as a vital food source and even fewer actually eat them. According to an opinion poll conducted in Japan in June 2006, 69% of Japanese people do not support whaling on the high seas and 95% never or rarely eat whale meat.

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Posted: Nov 20, 2007 - 02:03 AM

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Man accused of beating harbor seals

Henry K. Lee, Chronicle Staff Writer

Saturday, November 17, 2007
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(11-16) 18:13 PST SAN JOSE - A man is facing federal charges for allegedly beating harbor seals with a surfboard-like object called a skimboard, court records show.

William Lester Johnsen is accused of "harassing, striking and beating harbor seals with a skimboard" on May 23 in unspecified waters in Northern California, according to charges filed Thursday in U.S. District Court in San Jose.

Skimboarding is a sport that involves riding a board on an outgoing wave.

Federal prosecutors said Johnsen violated the federal Marine Mammal Protection Act, which bars anyone from harassing, hunting, capturing, killing any marine mammals.

There were no details in the court papers about the circumstances that led up to the misdemeanor charge or where the alleged incident occurred.

Johnsen was named in a document known as an information, which in federal court typically signifies that a defendant intends to plead guilty. He could not be reached for comment.

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Posted: Nov 20, 2007 - 02:10 AM

scotsladdy wrote:

i cant believe laydownlaohoe and lifemuff can possibly in all fcuking rationality argue that the killing of whales is any different to the killing of turkeys at thanksgiving.

Maybe you just don't understand what is being discussed? We are talking about an endangered animal, being commercially hunted in protected waters. If there were only 10'000 turkeys or 20'000 cows left on the planet, trust me, it would be the same reaction.

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Every single american would consider me nuts if I started running around frothing at the mouth preaching about saving the fcuking turkeys or cows or any other animal for that matter.

WTF are you talking about? Japan only stopped commercial whaling after the U.S threatened sanctions. Of course, they have exploited the loophole of "scientific research" ever since then, but regardless, it was precisely, YOU Americans, that ran around "frothing at the mouth preaching about saving the fcuking whales". Get yo head out yo azz!

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