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babebibobu
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"Arche de Zoe" is this small NGO that went to Chad trying to kidnap poor local kids and send them over the france for the care of generous families. These people are the perfect Sarkozists. Kouchner and Co have repeated all over the media that a new genocide was under way in Darfur, that nodody was doing anything about it and that courageous people should act. Those misguided French men did. They couldnt understand there was another agenda behind Kouchner words. They went there and took care of the kids. Now the idiots are rotting in jail and the French government is turning the other way (or are they?), they must not understand what has happened to them. Next, well-intentioned French backpackers attempting to murder President Ahmadinejad, elected leader of Iran and new Hitler who his going to commit a new Holocaust is nobody acts to stop him. Sakozist heroes, thats what the poor bastards are.
Some background if needed, from mainstream Yahoo news:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20071110/wl_africa_afp/chadfrancecrimechil dren_071110101509 |
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how could it be a thread from FL if it didn't mention France, Iran and Hitler. Won't even comment upon the second to last sentence which is far removed from your usual diatribe.... |
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A more interesting and informative article from the New York Times on the subject:
By LYDIA POLGREEN
Published: November 4, 2007
DAKAR, Senegal
IN 1890, King Leopold II of Belgium wrote to one of his colonial officials and asked him to set up orphanages in the vast African territory he ruled as his personal fief, the Congo.
The only problem with his plan was that there were no orphans. The concept scarcely existed in Congo or much of the rest of Africa. This is a continent where thousands of ethnic groups and cultures across a vast and diverse landscape nevertheless share basic traditions that dictate that a child whose parents have died is the responsibility of the broader family and community.
But Leopold’s problem was quickly solved — his men kidnapped boys from their families and dispatched them to the “orphanages,” where they received a bit of catechism, some military training and, if they were lucky, baptism.
Mostly, as recounted by the historian Adam Hochschild in his book “King Leopold’s Ghost,” the boys eventually became soldiers in Leopold’s vast native army, if they did not die in the long, harsh marches to the orphanages from their villages.
For Africans, Leopold’s orphan hunt, driven by relentless greed run amok in a colony he ravaged as his personal property, is only one particularly egregious example of a series of deep, and well-remembered, historical wounds.
That record helps explain the skepticism and outrage that greeted the efforts of a French charity, whose members were arrested last week as they tried to fly 103 children from Chad to France, to go hunting for orphans in the deserts between Chad and Sudan.
From the first days of European involvement in Africa, the West has helped itself to the continent’s children — as chattel to be worked like beasts of burden, as soldiers to bear arms against their own kin, or as souls needing salvation through civilization. Sometimes, as the example in Congo illustrates, they were all three.
But the scandal involving the French charity, Zoé’s Ark, is tangled in an even more complicated web, a modern one of apparently good intentions gone awry and of the perceived exploitation of the suffering of vulnerable people, and a profound cultural misunderstanding. The charity is not a well-known group like the dozens of experienced agencies that do lifesaving work in Darfur and eastern Chad. And it was operating far outside the normal boundaries of what established aid and human rights groups consider proper. Still, its experience shows how deeply angry Africans can become when Western “helpers” violate the continent’s own traditions and sense of sovereignty.
According to its Web site, Zoé’s Ark, which was started by a former fireman in France, was motivated by a sense of urgency. In anguished language, the organization pointed to an obvious fact — the paralysis of international diplomacy in Darfur, in western Sudan, where an ethnic and political conflict has raged for four years, killing at least 200,000 and displacing 2.5 million. The Web site went on to say that something had to be done immediately to end the suffering of the most vulnerable children.
With heart-rending descriptions of children on the brink of death from starvation, violence and disease, the group raised money from French families to fly children out and place them — temporarily, it said — in French homes.
But it turns out that none of the 103 children are orphans in the traditional Western sense — foundlings with no place to go. Almost all were living with family members in villages, relatively well fed and cared for, according to the United Nations. The bewildered children cried as foreign reporters flocked to the orphanage in Abéché, Chad, where they were being temporarily housed late last week until they could be reunited with their families.
The children said they had been coaxed away from their families with sweets and cookies, according to Reuters, and a group of women claiming to be mothers of some children told a French cable news station that they had been told the children would be taken to Abéché for schooling, but that their families would still be able to visit them.
Zoé’s Ark seems to have run into the same problem that Leopold did: In many African societies finding a true orphan is not such a simple thing. When details of the operation became known, high French officials, United Nations officials, and indignant French citizens, newspapers and child protection agencies sounded their disapproval of Zoé’s Ark’s actions. Jo Becker, child rights advocate at Human Rights Watch in New York, said that removing a child from his or her immediate surroundings might make sense only under circumstances like immediate risk of being forced into military service or a threat of immediate harm. “We would always say,” she said, “that the best place for children is in their community and with their families.”
To be sure, orphanages are full of children in cities across Africa, especially in countries where the AIDS pandemic has shattered entire extended families. And migration to cities has frayed some family bonds.
But many African countries, despite having a surfeit of children with dead or missing parents, have laws surrounding adoption that reflect a strong unease with the concept as it is practiced in the West. As a result, relatively few African children are adopted each year, especially compared with adoptions from Asia and eastern Europe.
Even the idea of Western adoptions sometimes seems to rankle. When Madonna adopted a young boy from Malawi last year, a fierce outcry erupted over whether she had followed proper procedures and whether the boy’s father had been duped.
In largely Muslim countries like Chad and Sudan, where Islamic law governs family matters, the entire Western concept of adoption is essentially forbidden by religious edict.
The current episode has a particular sting because Europe has been writing increasingly stringent rules to keep Africans from migrating there, culminating most recently in a new French law that in some cases requires DNA testing to get visas for family members. Taking a planeload of children away in secret while thousands of Africans drown in the Atlantic seeking to migrate to Spain strikes many Africans as hypocritical.
“What message is the transaction sending?” demanded an editorial in the African Executive, an online business magazine. “Will Zoé’s Ark transport the 201 million Africans facing extreme hunger to Europe? Africa must vehemently resist this humiliation. If Zoé’s Ark is serious on the African plight, let it press Europe to open its borders to African migrants, grant African professionals jobs without discrimination, drop its barriers against African goods and allow Africa to export finished products.”
But accusations of hypocrisy can cut both ways. Chad’s president for the last 17 years, Idriss Déby, abandoned his usual reticence with the international news media to deliver sound bites to the reporters who swarmed to Abéché.
He called the situation an outrage, and speculated that perhaps Zoé’s Ark planned to sell the children to pedophiles. Burnished cane in hand, he walked awkwardly among the scrawny boys and girls. It is hard to say when this former military dictator last paid so much attention to Chad’s children.
Despite the country’s burgeoning oil industry and increased foreign investment, especially from China, Chad’s 1.9 million children under the age of 5, like most of those taken by Zoé’s Ark, are among the most defenseless in the world against disease, hunger and death. One-fifth won’t make it to their fifth birthdays, according to Unicef statistics, mostly because of treatable diseases like malaria, measles and diarrhea. More than 40 percent will be stunted from hunger. Like millions of other impoverished children across Africa, they are waiting patiently for some kind of rescue. |
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babebibobu
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According to its Web site, Zoé’s Ark, which was started by a former fireman in France, was motivated by a sense of urgency. In anguished language, the organization pointed to an obvious fact — the paralysis of international diplomacy in Darfur, in western Sudan, where an ethnic and political conflict has raged for four years, killing at least 200,000 and displacing 2.5 million. The Web site went on to say that something had to be done immediately to end the suffering of the most vulnerable children.
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Exactly my point. The idiots (average people, voters, call them whatever you like) were manipulated by the media and some leading French personalities - such as now foreign minister Bernard Kouchner and "philosopher" Bernard Henri Levy - who have been describing the new Holocaust taking place in Darfur - and soon in Iran btw. They have been all over the media explaining we should do something about it. Now they are turning their back from the idiots. |
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rayfish
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babebibobu
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Nothing bizarre. The logical result of the propaganda conducted by leading forces in the West. It is very sad for the victims, I mean both the kids, their families, the gullible aid workers, the apopting families. The real culprits are still enjoying the palaces of Paris. |
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rayfish
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It is certainly true that this "NGO" was probably influenced by Western propaganda but I still think there's something bizarre about it in the sense that I don't know if these "aid workers" were so gullible.
If I got my facts straight the adopting "temporary families" back in France had already paid thousands of dollars for these kids. Zoe's Ark then organized a mission to basically take (kidnap?) more than 100 children by deceiving them and others to fly them away in a private plane. Obviously neither the Chad nor French authorities had permitted this, and had the plan succeeded it would have been a breach of national and international laws.
How the hell could they know what child was an orphan or whether a child was actually from Chad or Sudan since it was a border region? The reports suggest most or all of them weren't even orphans. Was this really a botched rescue mission? I'm not saying it wasn't, just floating the question...
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babebibobu
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To add to your post:
- The fee paid by the family was to pay for the rescue effort
- The French authorities had apparently agreed to issue visa to all kids
- The definition of "orphan" or even "poor kid" in general differ widely between France and Africa, which of course can lead to confusion
I personally believe these guys should be punished for breaking whatever law. But I also hope this will give us an opportunity to point out the Kouchners of the world. I heard this guy is coming to China again in the coming days with Sarkozy and a French-Israeli delegation. I am even invited to meet them. The irony. |
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Are you guys friends now ? Is that you two in the pic kissing ?
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rayfish
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"- The French authorities had apparently agreed to issue visa to all kids"
Your argument seems to be that the Sarkozy government encouraged the operation (thus the title of the thread) but I see no evidence of that. Of course they could be lying but you have to prove it. Where do you get the information that they agreed to issue visas? This is a transcript from the official French diplomatic sitesite:
ZOE'S ARK
INTERVIEW GIVEN BY MME RAMA YADE,
MINISTER OF STATE
RESPONSIBLE FOR FOREIGN AFFAIRS
AND HUMAN RIGHTS,
TO THE "FRANCE-SOIR" NEWSPAPER
(Paris, 29 October 2007)
Q. – What is the crisis unit that's been set up and which you're going to head going to do?
THE MINISTER – It's a crisis unit set up last Friday to keep abreast of information on the affair in real time. It brings together the members of Bernard Kouchner, Jean-Marie Bockel and my private offices. It has three objectives: humanitarian, i.e. to ensure the children's present and future well-being; consular protection for the nine French nationals, so they are tried in proper conditions, and consular protection for the seven Spanish nationals, who have no embassy over there. Out of solidarity, and at Spain's request, we're also going to monitor what happens to them at the legal level.
Q. – To what extent did France already know of the existence of this operation? And of this organization?
THE MINISTER – We had a meeting with Eric Breteau [President of Zoe's Ark] on 31 July this year, the day after a meeting with the NGOs about Zoe's Ark. Indeed, we had had wind of many rumours through members of parliament of a vast operation to adopt children. At the time, it was called "1,000 children from Darfur", and we wanted to get the NGOs' opinion. We then alerted the French families involved and told them of our concerns. We did everything we could at ministerial, judicial and voluntary-sector level.
Q. – So you've had concerns for a while?
THE MINISTER – Yes, we've done the utmost to trail them and try and clarify this affair since the summer, but the leaders completely covered their tracks. Everything was vague, the location wasn't clear: one day the organization was telling us that their operation was scheduled to leave from Chad, another day from Darfur. What was to happen to the children wasn't clear either: the leaders first of all talked about adoption and now are simply talking about fostering. Moreover the Zoe's Ark organization didn't have the same name as over there: in Darfur, it was using the name "Children Rescue".
Q. – Today can one really talk about child trafficking? What role did these French nationals play?
THE MINISTER – The courts will determine that, but in any case - and I'm clear on this –: it was a clandestine, illegal and irresponsible operation. The French justice system has opened an investigation into Zoe's Ark, whilst the Chadian legal authorities are looking into "Children Rescue" and the roles of the French nationals involved. Until these investigations have been completed, we won't be able to give a definitive answer. In any case, on Friday I had a meeting with the French families who are waiting for the children and I've promised to keep them informed about what happens./. |
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rayfish
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Babebibobu wrote:
"I heard this guy [Kouchner] is coming to China again in the coming days with Sarkozy and a French-Israeli delegation"
A "French-Israeli delegation"? Where did you read that? |
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babebibobu
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Supporters of neocon control of Africa
Anti-slavery demonstrators |
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babebibobu
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Sorry its in French:
Arche de Zoé : Lettre ouverte à Nicolas Sarkozy
mercredi 7 novembre 2007
Fédération, Action pour la République
(Far/Parti Fédération)
BP 4197 N’Djaména
Tchad
N°030/FAR/CEF/2007
Excellence Monsieur Nicolas Sarkozy
Président de la République
Objet : Votre déclaration du 6 novembre 2007
Excellence Monsieur,
« J’irai chercher ceux qui restent quoi qu’ils aient fait » dites-vous. « Quoi qu’ils aient fait », en insistant pour être clair et bien compris. Vous narguez les Tchadiens qui sont à vos yeux moins que vos chiens, qui demeurent toujours des esclaves et qui ne méritent ni dignité ni respect comme les traitaient vos ancêtres.
Venez les chercher, Excellence Monsieur Nicolas Sarkozy, puisqu’ils ont accompli des actes qui méritent la médaille d’honneur. Puisqu’ils n’ont enlevé et séquestré que des enfants nègres, bons pour les réseaux notamment des pédophiles, des voleurs d’organes humains, des proxénètes et des laboratoires d’expérimentation.
Nous savons ce qui vous fait présentement courir.
Vous paniquez depuis le jour où vos compatriotes dignes de la médaille d’honneur à leur décernée ont été arrêtés à Abéché. Mieux, après que vous ayez réussi à les kidnapper avec la complicité de M. Idriss Déby pour les ramener en France, alors qu’ils ont à peine été entendus par le Doyen des Juges d’instruction chargé de la procédure.
N’est-ce pas, Excellence Monsieur Nicolas Sarkozy, vous voulez étouffer cette affaire dans l’œuf pour éviter le déballage de vos protégés ?
En voici quelques raisons :
Nous soumettons à votre sagacité, le dossier que nous a fait parvenir un de vos compatriotes :
Rappelez- vous de ce rapport sur l’« Aide humanitaire, trafic d’enfants et terrorisme international » à l’OIPC-INTERPOL en 2004 publié depuis trois ans déjà sur l’Internet ! Voir également « Rapt international d’enfants » entre autres ! Votre frère cadet, François Sarkozy en plein dans le « merdier » !
C’est ce qui vous fait perdre la tête ces jours-ci.
« J’irai chercher ceux qui restent quoi qu’ils aient fait » clamez-vous hier, 6 novembre 2007, à qui veut vous entendre. On ne peut que s’en féliciter.
Maintenant à quoi la précipitation de notre Napoléon du Troisième Millénaire est-elle due ?
Dr François Sarkozy, votre frère cadet est-il lié, aux Pieds nickelés de l’humanitaire pour que vous soyez aux toutes premières loges des dessous de la « lamentable équipée » de l’Arche de Zoé.
En effet, on en croit à la bonne presse, la secrétaire générale de l’Arche de Zoé, n’est autre que la très respectable Stéphanie LEFEBVRE, une vielle connaissance du M. Eric BRETEAU, initiateur de l’opération foireuse « Children Rescue » au Tchad. Les deux protagonistes se connaissent, dit-on, depuis 15 ans.
Or, Mme Stéphanie LEFEBVRE est la directrice adjointe de Paris Biotech Santé comme vient de le révéler le Journal chrétien. Et François Sarkozy, votre frère cadet, figure, avec Stéphanie LEFEBVRE, parmi les membres du Comité d’évaluation de ce prestigieux organisme voué à la recherche biomédicale et à la santé. On est émerveillé.
En effet, le parcours de votre frère est éloquent : M. François Sarkozy a été nommé vice-président du conseil de surveillance de « Bio Alliance Pharma » en janvier 2006.
Cet organisme dit Bio Alliance Pharma est une « société biopharmaceutique d’innovation, spécialisée dans le développement et la commercialisation de nouveaux produits thérapeutiques focalisés sur le cancer, les infections graves (VIH)... » peut-on lire en ligne.
C’est là un domaine que connaissaient bien les infirmières bulgares en Libye.
En parallèle, votre frère cadet, le Dr François Sarkozy, 47 ans, occupe depuis 2001 un poste d‘associé au sein d‘AEC Partners.
Qu’y fait-il ? Votre frère cadet y est très actif. La preuve, tout l’intéresse : le développement de stratégies marketing et médicales au niveau international, le management de projets et ressources, la prospection et la négociation de produits, la commercialisation de nouveaux produits et le management de la transition lors de fusions et réorganisations.
Pédiatre de formation, votre frère cadet, le Dr François Sarkozy, est un bourreau de boulot ! Encore bravo. Avant cela, pendant la période 1990-2000, votre frère cadet, Dr François Sarkozy, fut successivement directeur médical France pour Aventis Pharma et directeur médical et pharmaceutique France pour Hoechst Marion Roussel. Et, pendant trois ans, votre frère cadet, Dr François Sarkozy est, dans ses hautes fonctions pharmaceutiques, posté aux Etats-Unis. Félicitations ! Bravo ! Sachant qu’auparavant, Dr François Sarkozy est, chez Roussel-Uclaf, directeur du développement international, responsable du développement clinique international et chef de produit au niveau mondial pour les antibiotiques.
De 1983 à 1990, votre frère cadet, Dr François Sarkozy, a occupé un poste d‘assistant au sein du département de physiologie respiratoire à l‘AP-HP. Un partenaire attitré de Paris Biotech Santé (et de l’Arche de Zoé ?). C‘est également au sein de l‘AP-HP que François Sarkozy a réalisé son internat en pédiatrie (Interne des Hôpitaux de Paris). Le Dr Sarkozy possède aussi un MBA obtenu auprès de l‘INSEAD, si l’on en croit Bio Alliance Presse le 5 janvier 2006 dans un communiqué de presse. Que fait exactement Bio Alliance Pharma où siège votre frère cadet Dr François Sarkozy ? La compagnie a développé des médicaments comme le Doxorubicin Transdrug® pour traiter des maladies décrites comme mille fois plus virulentes en Asie du Sud-est et dans l’Afrique sub-saharienne, si l’on prête foi à Boursorama.
D’autre part, pour développer ces remèdes, la société a fait appel à des expérimentations sur des patients, comme, par exemple, pour le Loramyc, 540 patients sur 40 sites répartis entre les Etats-Unis, le Canada et l’Afrique du Sud, peut-on lire sur Smartbrief.
Coïncidence, Eric BRETEAU, ses coauteurs et complices de l’Arche de Zoé voulaient « évacuer » 10.000 orphelins du Darfour vers la France, le Canada et les Etats-Unis.
Quant à AEC Partners où siège votre frère cadet, Dr François Sarkozy, son plus riche client est le géant américain Pfizer, leader mondial de l’industrie pharmaceutique, spécialiste entre autre du traitement de la maladie d’Alzheimer, « Grande Cause nationale » de la République française en 2007.
ll n’y a bien entendu aucun rapport entre le fait que votre frère cadet, Dr François Sarkozy ait pour plus riche client le géantisme Pfizer et le fait que la maladie d’Alzheimer devienne grande cause nationale de la France après votre brillante élection à la tête de la France, ne me faîtes pas dire ce que je n’ai pas dit !
Au printemps, un petit pays africain géographiquement proche du Tchad, attaque devant la justice internationale le fameux Pfizer qui aurait « effectué en 1996 de façon illégale l’essai clinique d’un médicament appelé Trovan Floxacine sur 200 enfants atteints de méningite à méningocoque », selon de multiples sources au dessus de tout soupçon.
Selon Afrik.com, le géant américain aurait donc en 1996 « secrètement utilisé des enfants comme cobayes dans les tests d’un médicament ». 2,75 milliards de dollars d’indemnités sont réclamés à l’inventeur du Viagra, car « 11 enfants sont morts (5 ont pris le premier produit, 6 le second) et de nombreux autres ont subi des séquelles : surdité, paralysie, lésions cérébrales ou cécité », si l’on en croit Afrik.Com du 21 mai 2007, alors que c’est le très américain The Washington Post qui a déterré l’affaire.
Pour reprendre les termes du Journal chrétien, Parisbiotech, où bossent dur Stéphanie LEFEBVRE, secrétaire générale de L’Arche de Zoé et votre frère cadet, le Dr François Sarkozy, « n’est pas une histoire d’amateurs ; ils sont très professionnellement organisés et ne manquent pas de fonds et de soutiens en tout genre. Ils n’avaient donc aucun mal pour organiser et financer l’opération « d’évacuation » menée par l’Arche de Zoé au Tchad ».
Gilbert Léonard de constater dans les colonnes de l’organe de presse en question : La « petite » association « Arche de Zoé » semble avoir préparé cette opération avec beaucoup de relations d’influence et de moyens techniques et financiers. Fin de citation. Voilà, pour éclairer vos lanternes, l’extrait d’un dossier que m’a envoyé un de vos compatriotes pour me permettre de comprendre le pourquoi de votre agitation. Libre à vous de donner ordre à votre armée qui est séparée de la nouvelle prison que juste par une rue.
Permettez-moi, Excellence Monsieur Nicolas Sarkozy, de vous rappeler que vous passez complètement à côté de la convention entre la République du Tchad et la République Françoise. Vous avez une lecture erronée des dispositions de cette convention.
En effet, l’article 45 de cette convention relatif à l’extradition dispose sur les sujets à extrader que :
« 1)- Les individus qui sont poursuivis pour crimes ou délits punis par les lois des Parties contractantes d’une peine d’au moins un an d’emprisonnement.
L’extradition peut être refusée « si les infractions ont été commises en tout ou partie sur le territoire de l’Etat » (article 49, alinéa c)..
Pour le cas d’espèce c’est un crime contre l’humanité de ces enfants. Donc, impossible de les extrader, M. Nicolas Sarkozy.
Pour vous, des Français bon teint comme les Breteau ne doivent pas être emprisonnés et jugés par des juges « nègres juges tchadiens ».
Veuillez agréer, M. le Président, l’assurance de la fierté de M. Idriss Déby d’avoir un ami comme vous.
N’Djaména, le 7 novembre 2007
Le député Ngarlejy YORONGAR
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