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caronj
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Just watched news about japanese killed lots of 40-year-old precious whales in South Pacific Ocean, even they made an excuse of why they killed those whales: for science study,wtf.
In fact, after they killed whales, they just cutted them into pieces and sent to the restaurants. Duh! |
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CoffeeHawk_0
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edited - lol, i have no idea what i'm talking about today -- blame the meds |
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leidelaohu
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Nov 24, 2007 - 01:27 PM |
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| Japan is fishing in their waters, whale is part of their tradition and diet. |
Big Fat Lie #1
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| Japan does a good job of monitoring the whale population and is no longer bringing them to extinction. |
Big Fat Lie #2
When did the South Pacific or the Antarctic become "Japanese waters," Coffee ? The japanese overfish the pacific coast of the US and Canada ... those are "Japanese waters" also ? Bullfroggingsheet. Territorial waters extend three miles out. Let the four-eyed bucktooth Japs fish their own waters and anywhere else, a good fast torpedo right up the poopshoot.
America raises cows.
China raises chickens
Mexico raises pigs.
When Japan starts raising whales rather than hunting them down on the open seas and when they stop overfishing the entire world, then and only then can they try to rationalise their sh1t.
There is absolutely no justification for anyone anywhere to hunt down whales these days. Screw Japan and the Mitsubishi Zero they flew in on and the 731 Unit where they do "research." |
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caronj
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Nov 24, 2007 - 01:34 PM |
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America raises cows.
China raises chickens
Mexico raises pigs.
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Agree with you, leidelaohu. |
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leidelaohu
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Nov 24, 2007 - 01:48 PM |
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Now you got me started ... one other little thing. If this is so "traditional" then let the bastards do it the "traditional" way. When the esquimaux go hunting walrus traditionally, they do it in skin boats. Then the village eats whatever they catch. All of the native peoples who get exceptions to whale hunting regs for traditional reasons hunt the whales in rowb0ats with sticks and rope.
So let the "tradition" of Japanese whale hunting do the same thing. They can have a wooden sailing ship and they can go out in rowboats and stick harpoons into the whales if they are so concerned about "tradition." Then all the people who "traditionally" eat whale meat can come down to the docks and buy their "traditional" food - no whale meat frozen and wrapped in saran wrap at the friendly neighborhood "traditional" supermarket allowed.
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p1atl10
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^ 100%
PS Like the new avatar. Nice goat |
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scotsladdy
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Nov 26, 2007 - 05:35 PM |
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one drawback of the net is it allows uneducated retards who think they know best to comment on everything they have no clue on.
there is absolutely no justification for anyone anywhere to hunt whales these days? are you serious? what scientific/factual research are you using to base this on? Oh wait, this is a personal opinion right?
a countries waters end 3 miles out? another lie. according to the law of the sea a countries waters can be anything from 25 nautical miles to 200 nautical miles from the shore
laydownhoe are you vegan? if the answer is no then you are a complete hypocrite. do you eat turkey? beef? pork? or any kind of meat?
ignorant hypocritical idiot. |
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LifeMage
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^You fcuktard! This has nothing to do with turkeys, cows or pigs! and by you even mentioning them...it becomes very clear that you have no idea what you're talking about. Is it really that hard to comprehend? They are hunting endangered animals in protected waters and claiming that it's for scientific purposes.
Japan signed the FCUKING treaty that put an end to the commercial hunting of whales.
I guess you MUST support the "tradition" of killing tigers to eat their dicks? right?
fcuking loser. |
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leidelaohu
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Nov 26, 2007 - 06:04 PM |
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| one drawback of the net is it allows uneducated retards who think they know best to comment on everything they have no clue on. |
Yes, I see that. Oh well, please continue ... |
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scotsladdy
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i support the being rational about it idea. they are not hunting them as they please. It is controlled. they are not all endangered species. most of them are fairly common. if china wants to harvest a few tigers here and there its fine by me. FFS leave the japanese to do what the japanese please. go comment on some other topic which relates in some way to you. |
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Megs
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Nov 26, 2007 - 11:06 PM |
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Now come on, everyone knows why we shouldn't kill the whales:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092007/
(Just thought I'd inject a little levity into the discussion.  ) |
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rayfish
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Nov 27, 2007 - 06:39 AM |
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Leidelaohu wrote:
"Let the four-eyed bucktooth japanese fish their own waters and anywhere else, a good fast torpedo right up the poopshoot"
Now that really helps your case, doesn't it? Or do you think your anti-Japanese diatribes sound sexy here in China? |
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CoffeeHawk_0
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leidelaohu
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| Here's an article that overviews Japan's claims. The Japanese have some valid points. |
Don't be so fucking stupid, Coffee_hawk. Even in this article the claims of the "research institute" are exposed as a load of crap. Did you bother to read the thing ? Just for one small example, it's totally unecessary to kill any whales to get blubber samples, you can take a biopsy in the same way that real researchers do to many other species.
From your own article :
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Toshio Kasuya, a retired professor who worked for the Fisheries Agency's whaling program in the 1980s, launched a scathing attack on his former colleagues.
"Without the earnings from the meat sales, the whaling organisation that undertakes the government-commissioned research program would be unable to continue operation, and the shipping company that provides the fleet for the program would not be able to recover costs for whaling vessel construction," he wrote in a newspaper.
"This is nothing other than an economic activity. It leaves no room for researchers to carry out research based on their own ideas."
More controversially, he says scientists were told in the 1980s to manipulate the quota of whales needed for research to ensure the program continued for as long as possible. "I regret very much my role in setting up this illegal whale research." |
Yes, this is a greenpeace page. It's also accurate
http://www.greenpeace.org/international/campaigns/oceans/whaling/catch ing-whales-for-science-is
@Rayfish ? Yeah. The four-eyed bucktooth japs are subhuman and have been for ages. Besides Iris try this one on for size -- A Plague Upon Humanity, Daniel Barenblatt. At least the Germans realized that "scientific research" on living human beings was a bad thing. Japan put those murdering, torturing savages in a place of hon0r and worships them yearly. Screw political correctness, Japan would be a nice place with all the Japanese men exterminated like the lice they truly are. |
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babebibobu
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Nov 27, 2007 - 10:51 AM |
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Thanks for posting the truth, that the japanese did much worse than the germans during WW2. Very politically incorrect to say that in the West, history books would certainly not point that out, you antisemite, you holocaust denier. Soon I may agree with you that killing the whales is like a new hiroshima. |
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yu888
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| i support the being rational about it idea. they are not hunting them as they please. It is controlled. they are not all endangered species. most of them are fairly common. if china wants to harvest a few tigers here and there its fine by me. FFS leave the japanese to do what the japanese please. go comment on some other topic which relates in some way to you. |
I guess that would make you a hypocrite too seeing that this thread has nothing to do with you. |
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scotsladdy
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somebody has to put laydownhoe in her place yu |
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p1atl10
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^ Could you try doing it without petty petulent insults.
Rational arguments in a polite exchange would be a nice change..... |
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rayfish
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Leidelaohu wrote:
"@Rayfish ? Yeah. The four-eyed bucktooth japanese are subhuman and have been for ages. Besides Iris try this one on for size -- A Plague Upon Humanity, Daniel Barenblatt. At least the Germans realized that "scientific research" on living human beings was a bad thing. Japan put those murdering, torturing savages in a place of hon0r and worships them yearly. Screw political correctness, Japan would be a nice place with all the Japanese men exterminated like the lice they truly are."
So much for taking you seriously anymore...carry on then with your self-righteous crusade to save the whales from the 'Japanese lice.' Maybe your new recruit to the cause, Be-Be-Babbler, can give you some pointers on ethnic cleansing while you both dine on veggie burgers and miso soup. |
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TheMasterofDisaster
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Nov 27, 2007 - 05:45 PM |
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arent minke pops totally sustainable now? jaja |
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CoffeeHawk_0
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Nov 27, 2007 - 10:55 PM |
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| Even in this article the claims of the "research institute" are exposed as a load of crap. |
now I know why some people here question your thinking abilities - the research institute say no, another institute says yes - who are you to say which one is right. Japan is the foremost expert on whales and whaling in the world, so you can't dismiss their claims without providing something more fertile than your love for "free willy" movies. |
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leidelaohu
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| Maybe your new recruit to the cause, Be-Be-Babbler, can give you some pointers on ethnic cleansing while you both dine on veggie burgers and miso soup. |
Nice imagination there, crayfish ... it's a real temptation to do an underwear here and relieve some aggressions but what the hey. Even children can learn to reason ...
We could start out with Japan's behaviour for the first fifty years of the twentieth century but that always turns into a
"Your guy killed ten thousand people !"
"Yours killed twelve thousand !"
"Your mom wears combat boots !"
"Yours can't walk and chew gum at the same time !"
contest, so let's skip that part. It's too bad, too, because I could win Phase I. Japan's record in the atrocities department is supreme in recent history. They made the Butcher of Buchenwald look like a kindergartener. Nanjing was not an anomoly nor was Bataan nor were the thousands of "research" facilities engaged in torturing, maiming, killing, and vivisecting hundreds of thousands of Chinese people. All you need to know is Shiro Ishii.
But let's skip that part. Japan treacherously attacked the United States, the United States blew the shit out of Japan in return. These are facts, not computer-animated sequences in a pirate-edition DVD. So let's call it even, start off fresh.
Except for one small problem : every country has stains upon its escutcheon. England, France, Denmark, Russia, even Norway. The US has plenty. And oh yes, Germany. No one likes to admit that fifty years ago they invaded Poland or five years ago invaded Iraq. But in the civilized world, eventually we have to. After WW II Germany got very serious about banning Naziism. The US instituted affirmative action. George W Bush will be a black chapter in US history but he will go away because most Americans value honesty. The stuff goes into history books and intelligent people try to learn from these mistakes and do better in the future.
But not in Japan. Japan removes any mention of Pearl Harbor from their history books. Japan buries the worst monsters the world has seen for centuries in honored places in their national cemeteries. Japan refuses to admit that they ever did anything reprehensible. Japan's leaders go to these cemeteries and place flowers on the graves of people whose atrocities would sicken Attila the Hun. Do you have any idea what would happen if William Calley were buried in Arlington National Cemetery and a sitting president of the United States went there to place flowers on his grave ? CoffeeHawk and Keayts would find some justification for it but most Americans are decent people. We would be outraged.
Not in Japan. Japan, the country that to this day denies it ever did anything wrong. I guess those 55-gallon drums of poison gas they keep finding in dongbei were planted there by troublemakers ...
So, on to the whales ...
What is the reason to kill whales ? To eat ? Most Japanese don't even like whale meat. There have been studies. It tastes so bad that they try to foist it off on students in their cafeterias and we all know what that shit tastes like. The government subsidizes the whale hunts to the tune of one billion yen a year. Why ? Is Japan so poor it can't afford beef or pork or chicken ?
Research ? yeah right. Even Coffeehawk's pro-jap article comes up with a big fat zero on research results. After eighteen years of killing the things they can't tell what the lifespan of a minke whale is. They killed 500 that is five hundred minke whales to discover that all they eat is krill. Japanese are supposed to be so smart, let's see : if I killed ten whales and all I found in their stomachs was krill I'd probably assume that's what they ate. If I wanted to make sure I might whack another five or ten. If I were nuts I might do in fifty over ten years just to see if things were changing. But five hundred ? ? With no better results than this ? And they call that research ? Absolutely none of the things they do in their "research" have enough value to wipe your hanky with. Yet this is their justification ... "research." It's a lie. A blatant, transparent, obvious lie. Even many japanese people recognize this.
Tradition ? Oh that's certainly a good excuse. There are traditional peoples who kill a few whales a year. They go out in their traditional skin boats and face man against whale in a primitive initiation ceremony. Is this good or is this bad ? you could make a case either way - but one thing you cannot say : hunting whales from factory ships with explosive harpoons is a traditional test of Man and Nature. Tradition my left nut, that's another pile of horse crap.
"Whales are just like cows, chicken, pigs, there's no difference." Jesus, where to start. How about if we put CoffeeHawk on a table and set a chicken on his left foot and a whale on his right ... perhaps then the difference would become apparent even to him. Whales live in the ocean so they aren't damaging valuable property where we want to build expensive hotels. They aren't a menace to society, they eat krill (which I have never seen in short supply at Carrefour so I don't feel that those bad whales are stealing anything from my rights as Supreme Beings on Earth), they don't mess up my kitchen, they are interesting, intelligent, endangered mammals that don't bother anyone or any thing. What's the point in killing them ? The japanese can't afford cows or pigs or chickens ?
Rayfish, you think you are smart. So tell me why people feel they have to kill everything that moves ? The japanese are doing it because they have an ego problem. If the rest of the world says killing whales is a bad idea, by god they're gonna do it anyway and you can't stop ME ! Yeah, well bite me Mr Nippo because we can and we have ... but anyway, besides that why do the CoffeeHawks insist that killing things is great ? Does it make them feel all Manly ? Make their dicks big when they say "Oh yes, I went out and killed a whale today. Big sucker but ya know, I'm so bad. No little pansy earth-firster is gonna tell me what to do !" then they get a hard-on imagining how brave they are ? It's pointless. It's destructive. Every aboriginal culture that ever existed has realized that killing when you don't absolutely need to is a bad thing.
So what the fuck is with these numbnuts ? They are so insecure inside that the only way they can feel important is by killing ? In short, what is the point ? There are no good reasons to kill whales and a lot of reasons to not kill them. So why do it ? Just to prove that they are big bad humans that can do anything they want with the world ? Guess what ? Mom Nature doesn't like that attitude. |
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CoffeeHawk_0
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^guess what dipshiet? you either respect all forms of animal/fish life or you don't. You either eat animals or you don't.
Your views on Japan and Whales are no different the some Middle East country's views about you and pork. Japan is learning how to farm and control the whale population. Your country learned how to fam and control pigs, cows, and chickens.
Your god complex is telling you that you are the chosen one who can declare what animals humans can eat. You've got problems. |
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rayfish
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Leidelaohu, you don't understand my point and it seems to me you choose not to.
Sit still for a minute, get off your phrase generator, and listen up.
I have battled many on here over the history of Japanese militarism and the crimes committed by the Japanese government, so much so that some believe that I am some kind of apologist for China. You're wasting your time trying to 'educate' me throwing out book names and sites of atrocities.
Anyone who blames the crimes of a system of government of a country on its people is a fool. An even bigger fool is one who thinks its cool to denigrate an entire people as 'subhuman,' 'lice' 'foor-eyed bucktooth,' 'Mr Nippo' etc. Your self-styled 'anti-PC' persona is an excuse to be an obnoxious idiot.
Why don't you just stick to the facts about Japanese whaling instead of spouting hatred, and maybe more people will listen to you |
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Kiwi
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| babebibobu wrote: |
| Thanks for posting the truth, that the japanese did much worse than the germans during WW2. Very politically incorrect to say that in the West, history books would certainly not point that out, you antisemite, you holocaust denier. Soon I may agree with you that killing the whales is like a new hiroshima. |
For all the anti-Japanese shrieking though they were never engaged in systematic genocide.
I think there is a clear difference between the Nazis and the Japanese. |
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